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And grab yourself some drinks and snacks folks Too busy to get off your ass? It don't matter, we deliver. Still too lazy? It don't matter, we open 24/7. Unlike everyone else, we'll always be here for you: 7-11 declares neutrality in this conflict.

How to stay neutral in the war:

>Really it's your own fault that we have to attack you >If you had just let BK roll Chaos and then let us roll you in a completely unrelated war, this would have never happened >YOU FORCED US TO DO THIS

"Calling me on lying just means I have to keep being full of it"! Yeah, no. You've had a million chances to do anything different. None of that is on anyone other than you. You're the number one alliance in the game, and your setup is such that 150 nations will do whatever you ask them regardless of how much sense it makes. You have more than enough power to play precisely the way you want to, and that's precisely what you've done. It's not the fault of anyone else for recognizing it, sorry. Want to make a change? Do it. Otherwise stop the disingenuous whining. Don't forget: everyone was bending over backwards for your supposed desire to do something new. You're the one who crapped on it when you made a lame excuse to hit the same people you have for the last, what, 4 major wars running? Or at least that's what I'd be saying if it seemed like any of that desire was genuine, anyway. If that's what you're bringing, yeah, go back to being quiet. No one wants to be bored with it anymore. Or at least make your disingenuous hegemonic garbage a sonnet or something, if you can't be bargained with on the actual content.

I honestly feel like your technique is to cram as much stuff into a single post as you can to either see what sticks or to just confuse people with the amount of text and arguments they have to wade through. I’ve been told your “source” is WSxPhoenix and that I told her I had plans to roll you after this war ended. If this is indeed your source, this is a blatant falsehood but I shouldn’t be surprised considering I’ve been shown logs of you delivering more detailed falsehoods about me with even less factual basis. For the record, this is the only conversation I’ve had with her regarding the war and your sphere. We talked a little more about BK and the leaks afterwards but I’m fairly certain nothing in this conversation was deleted as you claim. WSxPhoenix06/17/2019 Speaking of sharing Aren't you concerned you guys might get hit by NPO/t$? Adrienne06/17/2019 If we do, at least we've gone out in a blaze of glory The amount of f*cks I have to give are astonishingly low That was it. If my exasperation, which came after you guys hit two members of our coalition, at the prospect of maybe having to fight you again if you decided to expand the fight to us and/or the possibility of being hit by your entire sphere when we had a solid reason to hit BK translates to “oh, no, TKR wants to attack us”, then I have nothing left to say to you. If you want to talk about my tone again, feel free, but let’s not continue to pretend that your decision had anything to do with us. You know full well I had no intention to hit you after this war. We’ve demonstrated it several times through backchannels and on the OWF and we had zero desire to enter a third war in a row. We only did a back to back war after the repeated rumors that BK was looking for an opportunity to hit us and their demonstration of this point by them not returning to a peacetime build, their quickness and eagerness to escalate against Nova, and them passing around not one but two availability surveys during our war with KETOGG. All of that in addition to the leaks and occurring after the conversation in the leaks took place. This was also expressed to your allies in t$ and Polaris. Had we not attacked, BK/TCW likely would have hit us on our rebuild, a risk I wasn’t willing to take. Considering we have had this confirmed since, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind I made the right move. However, this didn’t involve you. You know we had no plans to hit you. I told your FA head I believed you and BK were separate, so I’m not sure what you think I thought you were complicit in and I told t$ directly that us and KETOGG were done post-war so there was a clear statement against a repeat team-up. You had plenty of ammunition to use if we went against our word. Any skepticism I had was over whether or not I believed that you didn’t want to hit us which, given your actions, was understandable (non-BK tied allies of yours entering the war against us, for example). Nevertheless, I very publicly gave you the benefit of the doubt and stated my perspective that you were separate and you wouldn’t expand the war to include us and very publicly was proven wrong. This is not about TKR supposedly wanting to attack you. This is about you not wanting to “burn your contacts” with BK and nothing more.

In the first war he declared and hasn’t attacked, in the second he did like 3 single ship attacks and then offered peace. https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=473868 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=473232

We're not planning to mass beige. It's not slotfilling since we're doing more damage than the "wars" your side were launching. If someone on your side was willing to hit CoS and zero their planes and not beige, I'd welcome it.

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1. Wouldn't that be the case anyway? And are you sure that you want to state this and adopt this FA policy? If you have 4 "major" spheres, BK, Chaos, KTsphere, and NSO, and if 2 teamed up to take down one, that one that sat out would "technically" be at a disadvantage if they decided to swing at you. But thats a big IF, and it'd have to be after a long war where the losing side gets steamrolled and stays down for a long period of time. Even 1-2 rounds into this war, we saw that wasn't the case, BK and friends started making the way up, beefing out the bottom, and while they wouldn't have won, it probably wouldn't have been a long war. Maybe 30-45 days max. Then, it would make no sense for Chaos/KT nations, fresh off back-to-back wars, lowering resources to turn around and fight you in the next 1-2 months(60 days), allowing BK to build back up. Let's keep in mind that both Chaos and KT fought each other as well. 2. I see you clarified that later, seems like you thought your allies were rather lacking to be able to fend off an attack from 2 smaller spheres fresh off 2 "Global" wars. I can't exactly go against you here, as its your belief, but that really says something about your alliance's military skills and your ally's as well. 3. Fair enough. A follow-up question for you based off of what you said about "balance." 1. While other things obviously led to the attack, you cite trying to "balance" the war" as one of the main components. My question is, do wars need to be balanced, and by extension fair? And if so, how do you defend your attack on TKR in Knightfall? If wars don't need to be balanced and fair, how do you defend your attack on TKR in this war?

Well while I'm not saying I agree with Roq, all I got from your replies is this: 1. MD-level allies are not supposed to defend MD-level allies, and if they do, they're just mindless cannon fodder. 2. Citadel is supposed to just go back on its word of signing the treaties, if that treaty is somehow chained into fighting you. Whats worse, apparently Citadel gave you an out by not blitzing BK, and you didn't take it. While I won't say it hurt or helped your war effort to disregard them, it really shows that on the surface your words against Citadel don't mean much. You can't call them out for defending their allies, especially when you had a shot for them not to defend them, and ignored it. If anything, they're the inverse of the NPO situation, which you say was terrible. So which is, either you dislike NPO's way of handling it or you dislike Citadel's? Or you just want to shit on both because they're against you? My pick is the latter.

lol. I like how the use of quotes is your first point. Cute. >joining a defensive war After their plot of going on the offense was revealed, sure. You can be naive. >bloc-wide treaty to BK That's interesting. So you were in the plot then? Noted. >dawg >muzzle And no. Don't worry. I know this is only one event, but I have a strong gut feeling that your precious bloc will simply be another Vanguard 2.0. And that's ok. They too spun similar arguments as you have during their existence. This is pretty damn awful coming from you. Oh no, the coalition that formed after a plot revealed that both of their spheres were targeted is suddenly a security risk to us... Here's some tips. Don't tell low gov members your dastardly plans to roll 2 spheres that are currently warring each other, or show that the implication of your own alliance being involved ends up being true in multiple ways. Cuts down on the security risk, don't you think?

He personally had talked with the leader of OFA about it and multiple in the coalition did. ----- Related to main subject of deletions: Since this is OOC, I'm going to say the deletions are the product of lack of proper acculturation early on. People go in seeing it as model UN with mechanics and war as a last resort. They aren't taught to handle losing and have an emotional attachment so you see a lot of players quit when raided . Then there a lot of players who stick around see it as a growth game and they join alliances thinking they can just grow or win wars and grow and always do that. When those alliances lose, sometimes they go to someone on the winning side or another supposed better option for material advantage. Alliances as a whole were praised for exiting wars losing early in the interest of self-preservation and it led to a pervasive mentality outside of the core main players that you can't tolerate losing. Most of the core players take a lot of damage and usually more than the players who crack right away e.g. alliances that exited the global war. This used to be encouraged by alliances that won. The thing is and we've tried to make this clear is there's no safe place for you to grow forever and you will incur heavy losses at some point. When you get promised peace and easy stuff or winning wars all the time like some alliances used to do, of course the person is going to delete when the heat is turned up too high. There's no way to avoid that. They have to either be willing to accept it as a war game where they can't always do well or not.

The Eviction Notice (Recognition of Hostilities) Dear The World of Orbis, in response to several attacks on The Coal Mines by House Arryn we will have to consider this an act of war against our alliance but we do not wish to interfere with the Dial Up war, however we are going to recognize hostilities with House Arryn and in doing such begin a official war which will be directed only towards members of House Arryn and not anyone else. We would also like to announce that former House Arryn Hostilities were directed towards Weebunism a member of The Confederation Bloc (which The Coal Mines are a part of.). Now as the Coal King I Nokia Rokia wish to formally tell you that your stay at the Coal Mines is no longer welcome So here is your Eviction Notice allow us to lend you our boot as we show you the door.

You did when I was there. Account>Theme (top right corner)>Use Dark Theme.

It has been my experience and the experience of a ton of people I've interacted with that the mistrades artwork exchange has lead to the building of friendships, fun laughs for all involved, and ultimately people getting their money returned where they otherwise would just lose the trade entirely. I know you think everyone has the same victimhood complex that you do, and that reality is as NPO claims it to be, but this is simply not the case. It's also rich seeing you talking about "bullying" when you're literally hitting an alliance on your side because they are beiging instead of handling it diplomatically.

Just in case anyone actually still reads your posts at face value, for some reason: That's incorrect. You and your allies planned to hit slursphere in mid-june, "coincidentally" at the same time as BK's sphere would have hit ours. The secret agreement was between Kayser and your government, and that in addition to your dogged loyalty to BK (which if it was anyone else you'd decry as a paperless tie) makes it pretty clear this war would have happened as long as you felt you had an opening to do it. You didn't need an explicit agreement with Covenant to know you were going to help BK; that had nothing to do with TKR, because anyone who can read can tell you cobbled that "CB" together out of months-old nuts and bolts and nonsense conjecture. You would have liked to have the luxury of letting BK fight their own war, because you'd have been able to keep HS and t$ on IQ's side longer. But when the facts on the ground changed you adjusted accordingly.

XD thanks for the Education i just got a laptop so my bad.

Please don't copy paste directly from Discord. CTRL+SHIFT+V. Know this. Learn this. Use this.

>Be KT >Get rolled in 69 alongside TGH >TRF wants to impose the harshest terms on you >Get revenge war a couple of months down the line >Impose no terms other than color change, don't even go for an official surrender >Have people pretend that you gun for deletions even though you didn't go that route in the one situation you could've potentially done it Truly KT man bad.

Yep. You just don't hear about it.

Until we make a secret peace leaving KETOGG alone as revenge for Surf's Up

Now, I know there are a lot of criticisms of the Trump wall, chiefly that it's an outdated, expensive, and inefficient form of border security from before the birth of Christ. But let me remind everyone that the Chinese built the Great Wall of China hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, and to this day not a single Mexican made it across that border. That's quite an impressive record, and I think we should fund the 5 billion dollars. Just kidding, the wall is stupid and so are the fanatical idiot supporters of it. If you thought the border wall would work, you're an idiot. If you thought the wall was going to be paid for by Mexico and not your tax dollars, I know a Nigerian prince you should meet. Oh, and you're an idiot.

Unless it's used to decom infra, declare on people much smaller than you, rebuild that infra, use your rebuys and completely stomp them. Which your tool, and the scripts you admit people have, allow. That would make it possible for my 21 cities to swoop down, smack a c7, and build my infra back in time to double buy and have more than his max military. Sure, you can do that without the new tool or scripts. But even with @ purchases it still takes a couple minutes to do that. A couple minutes where that c7 and any counters can gain controls or kill units. But, if I use your tool or mentioned scripts, I can now rebuild in a SINGLE click, in a SINGLE second and use my full rebuys. That's a huge time discrepancy when you consider that some people in this game can react or even launch counter wars in seconds and not even reaching to a single minute. Seeing as how independent scripts exist to make this possible, making it impossible through the in-game tool gives an advantage to people with an independent script. I'm pretty goddamn fast, but even I can't move faster than instantaneous rebuild.

Okay, here is the thing I don't understand. If a war is clearly one sided, peace is likely to come quicker. You entering to bring balance to the force has actually made it drag because now victory conditions are more nebulous and therefore it'll be a multi month slog before white peace is reached. I've spoken privately with you about the insecurity argument, so I won't comment on that, but this war of words on the forums is not by any means grounded in logic on either side. It's grounded in optics and everyone knows it to varying degrees. You made a move that can be justified in a variety of ways, some valid others not, but what matters is how it looks and it looks bad. You can't argue out of that.

Break your chains, #4675. Your name is TOMEN.

Speak for yourself. I intend on out-living all of you. Personally, long as my buffet is filled eternal war sounds like a relaxing pass-time.

Our “point” is that “your” bloc is “entirely” treatied to “BK”, which you just “confirmed” is the “case”, and “therefore” is not an “independent” “bloc” but in fact a “part” of BKsphere, and therefore is not a bloc at “all” but just a “bunch” of pretentious “goons” that haven’t made a single “move” without “acting” in lockstep with BK. “Quotes” added purely “to” “troll” “you”. If you want me to shoosh, all you gotta do is stop giving me accurate things to say about you. Also, neither Justin nor I speak with any FA authority, but then again it seems neither do you.

Nah Empyrea don't need that All empyrean knows what they are doing

I just called a range near me. They don't allow XM855 or steel core .308, but do allow .50 BMG. We're hitting stupidity levels never thought possible.

@Nokia Rokia Almost every alliance has an academy of some sort.

The Greatest Intergalactic Empire Of Universe People and it's Animation Domination disctrict hereby declare war on The Coal Mines for the reason of "Not agreeing with our opinion on what makes for a valid CB"

the attacks happened to more than my alliance it happened on our bloc and they decided to attack so this is not for raiding especially when like only 4 of us can actually do something about it we are just standing up for ourselves and showing we are not gonna take laying down

Thinks for this advice.

I only declare war with express written permission.

The war showed some very clear stuff. IQ never disbanded (NPO still kept ties to “previous” allies), they’re very hypocritical (“secret ties”), Citadel is “Vanguard 2.0”, and Covenant only exists as a meme. Some other stuff too remained consistent; Syndicate still borders irrelevancy due to years old complacency and TCW is still bad militarily.

LeAVe Bk AloNe, tHeY arE a MicRO

Imagine thinking that the person Buorhann just log-dumped in a thread that has reached three pages in half a day is "not worth mentioning." Regardless, Kev is correct. When I heard that my dearest allies in Guardian were suffering from the severe affliction of not being able to find targets, I jumped to remedy the situation, as any loyal friend would (although, of course, I understand if the concept of loyalty is quite foreign to a select few members of my esteemed audience). Being the political mastermind that I am, I carefully concocted and executed the most cunning of plans, arranging for a multitude of logs to be leaked from my alliance's private membership chats that intricately detailed a falsified desire to turn on my allies. By taunting them thus, I assured that my coalition's starved whales would not be left out of this noble fight. They responded quickly and slotted my upper tier, securing me their continued happiness at my own cost of bleeding members and pixels. In fact, I think we all could stand to learn from my brave and beautiful example of self-sacrifice.

Maybe we're not so insecure that we need to defend our points every time someone has a different view point? :P But hey, dat plane gap tho.

If you don’t think Ame is pulling the strings for the entire coalition, you may want to remove your blinders. Also, Soup likely has the highest per capita when it comes to the female demographic. Why do you think we keep telling everyone how hot the soup is? Self preservation. Women need to be should be told how hawt they are.

Would just like to confirm I'm a huge war dodger, and have a long track record of dodging wars. Thanks for forcing me to get this off my chest, Buorhann. Only through the help of others can I overcome this disease.

Hmmmmmm. Until TCW's military reputation is restored? Until Citadel establishes itself as an independent political force? Until IQ stops being IQ? ... oh dear.

It's factually incorrect that this mechanic is useless. Looting is in fact a motivation for many people to war in the first place. You can't take a complaint serious in which someone compares the beige awarded to a nation through the incompetence of opponents (by removing resistance to 0 instead of letting the war expire) to beige that is given to a new nation which is totally out of the hands of opposing nations. It is completely beyond me how someone is seriously making this argument. And you shouldn't remove bank looting because it's too bothersome for you to moderate rule breakings or because you don't want to deal with the ludicrous argument the original poster is trying to make.

Arguably hiding banks on organically beiged nation's is just taking advantage of your enemies incompetence in beiging them. If you can hide it in new nations, you could just make a new country every 12 days and perpetually safe, no matter how disciplined and watchful your enemy. Personally I think blockading alliances could be an interesting mechanic. Like blockading all enemy members blockades their bank from being sent out, or blockading x members blockades a % of the bank equal to some % they make up in the AA (numbers, score, cities, etc). It may not be feasible either, but it's a better concept for stopping beige invulnerability imo.