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And grab yourself some drinks and snacks folks Too busy to get off your ass? It don't matter, we deliver. Still too lazy? It don't matter, we open 24/7. Unlike everyone else, we'll always be here for you: 7-11 declares neutrality in this conflict.

How to stay neutral in the war:

>Really it's your own fault that we have to attack you >If you had just let BK roll Chaos and then let us roll you in a completely unrelated war, this would have never happened >YOU FORCED US TO DO THIS

"Calling me on lying just means I have to keep being full of it"! Yeah, no. You've had a million chances to do anything different. None of that is on anyone other than you. You're the number one alliance in the game, and your setup is such that 150 nations will do whatever you ask them regardless of how much sense it makes. You have more than enough power to play precisely the way you want to, and that's precisely what you've done. It's not the fault of anyone else for recognizing it, sorry. Want to make a change? Do it. Otherwise stop the disingenuous whining. Don't forget: everyone was bending over backwards for your supposed desire to do something new. You're the one who crapped on it when you made a lame excuse to hit the same people you have for the last, what, 4 major wars running? Or at least that's what I'd be saying if it seemed like any of that desire was genuine, anyway. If that's what you're bringing, yeah, go back to being quiet. No one wants to be bored with it anymore. Or at least make your disingenuous hegemonic garbage a sonnet or something, if you can't be bargained with on the actual content.

I honestly feel like your technique is to cram as much stuff into a single post as you can to either see what sticks or to just confuse people with the amount of text and arguments they have to wade through. I’ve been told your “source” is WSxPhoenix and that I told her I had plans to roll you after this war ended. If this is indeed your source, this is a blatant falsehood but I shouldn’t be surprised considering I’ve been shown logs of you delivering more detailed falsehoods about me with even less factual basis. For the record, this is the only conversation I’ve had with her regarding the war and your sphere. We talked a little more about BK and the leaks afterwards but I’m fairly certain nothing in this conversation was deleted as you claim. WSxPhoenix06/17/2019 Speaking of sharing Aren't you concerned you guys might get hit by NPO/t$? Adrienne06/17/2019 If we do, at least we've gone out in a blaze of glory The amount of f*cks I have to give are astonishingly low That was it. If my exasperation, which came after you guys hit two members of our coalition, at the prospect of maybe having to fight you again if you decided to expand the fight to us and/or the possibility of being hit by your entire sphere when we had a solid reason to hit BK translates to “oh, no, TKR wants to attack us”, then I have nothing left to say to you. If you want to talk about my tone again, feel free, but let’s not continue to pretend that your decision had anything to do with us. You know full well I had no intention to hit you after this war. We’ve demonstrated it several times through backchannels and on the OWF and we had zero desire to enter a third war in a row. We only did a back to back war after the repeated rumors that BK was looking for an opportunity to hit us and their demonstration of this point by them not returning to a peacetime build, their quickness and eagerness to escalate against Nova, and them passing around not one but two availability surveys during our war with KETOGG. All of that in addition to the leaks and occurring after the conversation in the leaks took place. This was also expressed to your allies in t$ and Polaris. Had we not attacked, BK/TCW likely would have hit us on our rebuild, a risk I wasn’t willing to take. Considering we have had this confirmed since, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind I made the right move. However, this didn’t involve you. You know we had no plans to hit you. I told your FA head I believed you and BK were separate, so I’m not sure what you think I thought you were complicit in and I told t$ directly that us and KETOGG were done post-war so there was a clear statement against a repeat team-up. You had plenty of ammunition to use if we went against our word. Any skepticism I had was over whether or not I believed that you didn’t want to hit us which, given your actions, was understandable (non-BK tied allies of yours entering the war against us, for example). Nevertheless, I very publicly gave you the benefit of the doubt and stated my perspective that you were separate and you wouldn’t expand the war to include us and very publicly was proven wrong. This is not about TKR supposedly wanting to attack you. This is about you not wanting to “burn your contacts” with BK and nothing more.

In the first war he declared and hasn’t attacked, in the second he did like 3 single ship attacks and then offered peace. https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=473868 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=473232

We're not planning to mass beige. It's not slotfilling since we're doing more damage than the "wars" your side were launching. If someone on your side was willing to hit CoS and zero their planes and not beige, I'd welcome it.

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1. Wouldn't that be the case anyway? And are you sure that you want to state this and adopt this FA policy? If you have 4 "major" spheres, BK, Chaos, KTsphere, and NSO, and if 2 teamed up to take down one, that one that sat out would "technically" be at a disadvantage if they decided to swing at you. But thats a big IF, and it'd have to be after a long war where the losing side gets steamrolled and stays down for a long period of time. Even 1-2 rounds into this war, we saw that wasn't the case, BK and friends started making the way up, beefing out the bottom, and while they wouldn't have won, it probably wouldn't have been a long war. Maybe 30-45 days max. Then, it would make no sense for Chaos/KT nations, fresh off back-to-back wars, lowering resources to turn around and fight you in the next 1-2 months(60 days), allowing BK to build back up. Let's keep in mind that both Chaos and KT fought each other as well. 2. I see you clarified that later, seems like you thought your allies were rather lacking to be able to fend off an attack from 2 smaller spheres fresh off 2 "Global" wars. I can't exactly go against you here, as its your belief, but that really says something about your alliance's military skills and your ally's as well. 3. Fair enough. A follow-up question for you based off of what you said about "balance." 1. While other things obviously led to the attack, you cite trying to "balance" the war" as one of the main components. My question is, do wars need to be balanced, and by extension fair? And if so, how do you defend your attack on TKR in Knightfall? If wars don't need to be balanced and fair, how do you defend your attack on TKR in this war?

Well while I'm not saying I agree with Roq, all I got from your replies is this: 1. MD-level allies are not supposed to defend MD-level allies, and if they do, they're just mindless cannon fodder. 2. Citadel is supposed to just go back on its word of signing the treaties, if that treaty is somehow chained into fighting you. Whats worse, apparently Citadel gave you an out by not blitzing BK, and you didn't take it. While I won't say it hurt or helped your war effort to disregard them, it really shows that on the surface your words against Citadel don't mean much. You can't call them out for defending their allies, especially when you had a shot for them not to defend them, and ignored it. If anything, they're the inverse of the NPO situation, which you say was terrible. So which is, either you dislike NPO's way of handling it or you dislike Citadel's? Or you just want to shit on both because they're against you? My pick is the latter.

lol. I like how the use of quotes is your first point. Cute. >joining a defensive war After their plot of going on the offense was revealed, sure. You can be naive. >bloc-wide treaty to BK That's interesting. So you were in the plot then? Noted. >dawg >muzzle And no. Don't worry. I know this is only one event, but I have a strong gut feeling that your precious bloc will simply be another Vanguard 2.0. And that's ok. They too spun similar arguments as you have during their existence. This is pretty damn awful coming from you. Oh no, the coalition that formed after a plot revealed that both of their spheres were targeted is suddenly a security risk to us... Here's some tips. Don't tell low gov members your dastardly plans to roll 2 spheres that are currently warring each other, or show that the implication of your own alliance being involved ends up being true in multiple ways. Cuts down on the security risk, don't you think?

He personally had talked with the leader of OFA about it and multiple in the coalition did. ----- Related to main subject of deletions: Since this is OOC, I'm going to say the deletions are the product of lack of proper acculturation early on. People go in seeing it as model UN with mechanics and war as a last resort. They aren't taught to handle losing and have an emotional attachment so you see a lot of players quit when raided . Then there a lot of players who stick around see it as a growth game and they join alliances thinking they can just grow or win wars and grow and always do that. When those alliances lose, sometimes they go to someone on the winning side or another supposed better option for material advantage. Alliances as a whole were praised for exiting wars losing early in the interest of self-preservation and it led to a pervasive mentality outside of the core main players that you can't tolerate losing. Most of the core players take a lot of damage and usually more than the players who crack right away e.g. alliances that exited the global war. This used to be encouraged by alliances that won. The thing is and we've tried to make this clear is there's no safe place for you to grow forever and you will incur heavy losses at some point. When you get promised peace and easy stuff or winning wars all the time like some alliances used to do, of course the person is going to delete when the heat is turned up too high. There's no way to avoid that. They have to either be willing to accept it as a war game where they can't always do well or not.

The Eviction Notice (Recognition of Hostilities) Dear The World of Orbis, in response to several attacks on The Coal Mines by House Arryn we will have to consider this an act of war against our alliance but we do not wish to interfere with the Dial Up war, however we are going to recognize hostilities with House Arryn and in doing such begin a official war which will be directed only towards members of House Arryn and not anyone else. We would also like to announce that former House Arryn Hostilities were directed towards Weebunism a member of The Confederation Bloc (which The Coal Mines are a part of.). Now as the Coal King I Nokia Rokia wish to formally tell you that your stay at the Coal Mines is no longer welcome So here is your Eviction Notice allow us to lend you our boot as we show you the door.

You did when I was there. Account>Theme (top right corner)>Use Dark Theme.

It has been my experience and the experience of a ton of people I've interacted with that the mistrades artwork exchange has lead to the building of friendships, fun laughs for all involved, and ultimately people getting their money returned where they otherwise would just lose the trade entirely. I know you think everyone has the same victimhood complex that you do, and that reality is as NPO claims it to be, but this is simply not the case. It's also rich seeing you talking about "bullying" when you're literally hitting an alliance on your side because they are beiging instead of handling it diplomatically.

Just in case anyone actually still reads your posts at face value, for some reason: That's incorrect. You and your allies planned to hit slursphere in mid-june, "coincidentally" at the same time as BK's sphere would have hit ours. The secret agreement was between Kayser and your government, and that in addition to your dogged loyalty to BK (which if it was anyone else you'd decry as a paperless tie) makes it pretty clear this war would have happened as long as you felt you had an opening to do it. You didn't need an explicit agreement with Covenant to know you were going to help BK; that had nothing to do with TKR, because anyone who can read can tell you cobbled that "CB" together out of months-old nuts and bolts and nonsense conjecture. You would have liked to have the luxury of letting BK fight their own war, because you'd have been able to keep HS and t$ on IQ's side longer. But when the facts on the ground changed you adjusted accordingly.

XD thanks for the Education i just got a laptop so my bad.

Please don't copy paste directly from Discord. CTRL+SHIFT+V. Know this. Learn this. Use this.

>Be KT >Get rolled in 69 alongside TGH >TRF wants to impose the harshest terms on you >Get revenge war a couple of months down the line >Impose no terms other than color change, don't even go for an official surrender >Have people pretend that you gun for deletions even though you didn't go that route in the one situation you could've potentially done it Truly KT man bad.

Yep. You just don't hear about it.

Until we make a secret peace leaving KETOGG alone as revenge for Surf's Up

Unless it's used to decom infra, declare on people much smaller than you, rebuild that infra, use your rebuys and completely stomp them. Which your tool, and the scripts you admit people have, allow. That would make it possible for my 21 cities to swoop down, smack a c7, and build my infra back in time to double buy and have more than his max military. Sure, you can do that without the new tool or scripts. But even with @ purchases it still takes a couple minutes to do that. A couple minutes where that c7 and any counters can gain controls or kill units. But, if I use your tool or mentioned scripts, I can now rebuild in a SINGLE click, in a SINGLE second and use my full rebuys. That's a huge time discrepancy when you consider that some people in this game can react or even launch counter wars in seconds and not even reaching to a single minute. Seeing as how independent scripts exist to make this possible, making it impossible through the in-game tool gives an advantage to people with an independent script. I'm pretty goddamn fast, but even I can't move faster than instantaneous rebuild.

I already went over that on the past Great Fire (where Frawley failed to address my points when I brought up to him that KERCHTOG hitting N$O during or right after this war was simply unfeasible) ; to sum up those points again, a midwar hit would've made no sense for securing and ending this war, since it would be a massive contingent that would be added, and which would need to be dealt with both in the war itself and on peace talks. A postwar hit would've also been unfeasible because this war was going to invariably last at least two months. That, combined with Surf's Up, for most of KERCHTOG it would've meant nearly 3 months of fighting. Simply put, people would've wanted a break before doing anything, whatever that might have been. We aren't even factoring the economic aspect, which would also dictate against such war. Furthermore, I would definitely expect BK and friends to step in if we did, for whatever odd reason, hit N$O, if nothing else to "get even" with whatever the outcome of this war would've been if no new additions had been made. Assuming that also didn't happen, the natural long term outcome would've been you two teaming up to hit us in your own respective revenge wars. In no situation it would've made sense for us to hit you unprovoked. There's also the matter of you seemingly treating KERCHTOG as some sort of permanent or long term matchup, which, well, no. The Grumpy-CoS animosity is well known, Manthrax likes to take potshots at us basically whenever given the chance, back and forth ill feelings between ex TRF people and KTGH, etc etc. KERCHTOG was simply born out of necessity as a result of the leaks, and it would've been dismantled after this war under such scenario. You do realize that this is something that can be had at any moment, correct? Especially since BK and NPO have set the trend to sell down to 1100 and lower, in this very same war. It goes from being an "unique benefit" from the position we were coming off of Surf's Up, which at the very best was a very lacking silver lining compared to the other problems we had (Chaos not being full strength, depleted spies, partially used economic assets, etc), to being a potential bog standard practice. Refer to my points on my response to 1). Beyond that, my response is basically that of ArcKnox and Manthrax. Especially since no worthwhile logs were provided to support that notion. Now, before it gets misconstrued, I'm not saying you must release them. I'm simply saying that not doing so is going to result in it not being believable (especially in a game that by default goes like "logs or didn't happen" in these cases), particularly when it has you do the same old song and dance, as again, Manthrax pointed out. As for your other 3), it is basically a bit of a reiteration of 1) alongside some of the first 3), so again, back to 1)'s response. I can't help but think that this is some massive projection from your own MO. By default, IQ likes to drag it regardless of the potential outcome; if losing, out of spite and to nuke turret some more, and if winning, to essentially do what you state is your fear of what would've happened if you didn't step in. The only exception to that MO was AC where the only reason it had been cut short were concerns over TKRsphere having a bunch of free revenue and leapfrogging economically. Meanwhile, Knightfall went for 3 months and a half due to a bunch of peace table shenanigans, which did sound about right considering the chicanery that happened in GGF/ToT. If you're referring to Buo, I think he meant it as a general PSA based on tCW's leak. I don't think he was saying you in particular but you as a general. He can correct me if he was talking about you in particular. At any rate, it's interesting that you note that Kayser wanted to hit us (KETOG) in a "no hard feelings" fashion. Given that lack of animosity was a reason given for deeming a BK-NPO conflict to be off the table, what reason would there be to pursue a beef-less war with KETOG in contrast? Aside from "upper tier consolidation" which was cited as a permanent "CB" of the sorts later on in the t$ thread, that is. Isn't it awfully convenient that a lack of leader or AA level grudge didn't matter when suggesting/planning to hit KETOG, the smaller sphere, but it did matter when your former ally (which quite frankly you all but admit to at the very least be your buffer if you read in between the lines) was brought up as a potential opposing match up? You've had t$, Rose, CoS, and many other AA's assist you in Knightfall, in spite of those AA's and/or leaders having had historical relationships with the people they hit. Grumpy and Guardian were happy to fight TKR and others in Surf's Up, in spite of having fought alongside each other in Knightfall. Granted, part of it was CoS, but those are still cases where the personal connections were not enough of an impediment, if an impediment at all. Also, why exactly is it that when TKR and friends got trashed in Knightfall, the reason for the coalition that formed against them was born out of realpolitik (which I don't contest as being the case for that coalition forming), but in this war, BK having an ad hoc coalition form against them as a result of a leak (and therefore also realpolitik, especially since Chaos and KETOGG were fighting each other up until that point) is crazy talk, while the idea of KERCHTOG being this backdoor, all high octane govt and ex govt being buddy buddy, and rubbing elbows with each other while smoking cigars and chugging Brandy somehow makes more sense than a simple cause-effect scenario? Now, I'm not denying that personal connections exist. They obviously do exist. However, they aren't monopolized by one side either. For instance, I have no doubt that you and Leo still have a strong personal connection. And to be frank with you, it'd be weird if that wasn't the case. I have no doubt that similar connections branch out to other high profile govts across the board on your side. Also, I do have to contest this idea of KERCHTOG having the strongest connections, when such connections on your end are without a doubt the primary reason why, at the very least, BK and NPO showed no intent of fighting each other, while those existing in Chaos and KETOG didn't stop Surf's Up from happening. Not to mention KERCHTOG forming only after a bombshell leak, while NPO had to scramble logs pertaining to a political entity that was presumably defunct to somehow justify its flimsy CB so to have an entry. This isn't even considering the fact that the latter's personal connections tie up the majority of the game, but I digress. You mention the people who quit. Bar TFP (whose involvement was already controversial due to paper ties to Rose and Ming), most of the people took a way out because it was a simple WP offer, rather than any leveraged connections. As for Rose (they got mentioned directly), because it is worth mentioning this; we ourselves were unsure whether they would be a part of our coalition until about a day before the blitz. Their involvement came as a result of their entire govt structure's deliberation on whether to join in or not. Their membership announcement (posted by Mhearl a couple of weeks ago, if memory serves me right) more or less covers their FA stance.

Break your chains, #4675. Your name is TOMEN.

As someone who's more impartial and doesn't really care who wins, I do have questions that I think the average person viewing the forums and reading this has as well. First, to @Roquentin, 1. Would you have attacked TKR & Friends even if it meant losing t$ and HS? and if so, wouldn't that put you back in the same "FA" basket that you were at before this war/IQ split? 2. Do you think you would've lost a war against either TKR sphere or KETOG after this war? 3. The way you structure your arguments around the forums make it seem like you consider this war defensive. If it is defensive "from future aggression" what signs have been shown that made you think that war was coming your way. Also, can you clear something up, so you got logs from TKRsphere that stated that you were next, but the logs seem to indicate(from what you, and other NPO gov have said) that TKR was going to attack you in the next few days, or the near future. Is that true? Or, were you more worried about them attacking you several months from now? For @Buorhann, 1. Can you clarify whether or not you were told that attacking BK would result in Citadel's entry into the war? 2. Is it not true that several Citadel nations were attacked in the first round by your side? 3. How do you feel about this war, going forward? 4. Is Citadel not supposed to defend MD-level allies, in this circumstances?

You missed a chance at the perennial "Here be dragons... literally..." marker.

Disband again. Slot fillers.

Feel free to spam enough tanks and ships to pass us, my stats could use some padding.

It's okay House Arryn, as soon as they experience any sort of damage they'll beg for peace. Squash that pathetic alliance

Thinks for this advice.

LeAVe Bk AloNe, tHeY arE a MicRO

Why does shit like this keep happening?

This is ridiculously. You're kicking and screaming because I won't go beyond the game rules to punish a player you don't like. Racism/sexism/etc. are against the rules and are punished every time it's reported. I've explained to you how the enforcement of the rules works, and you don't like it, so you're resorting to personal attacks and being quite disrespectful. This is the internet. I can't control what happens outside of the game, and I don't punish people for what they do outside of the game (which I've explained multiple times now) because I am not the police. If you're being harassed on Discord, take it up with Discord or your local police. I am not the Discord police. If you have something specific you'd like to report in-game, it will be enforced via the Game Rules, which in this instance that you're making such a fuss over (repeatedly) was handled according to the written rules. The player was punished with a nation strike, they have not broken any Game Rules since. If you're not satisfied with that, I don't know what to tell you. You probably shouldn't use the internet, because people are always going to be mean to each other so long as there's some anonymity involved, and I can't stop or control that.

Imagine thinking that the person Buorhann just log-dumped in a thread that has reached three pages in half a day is "not worth mentioning." Regardless, Kev is correct. When I heard that my dearest allies in Guardian were suffering from the severe affliction of not being able to find targets, I jumped to remedy the situation, as any loyal friend would (although, of course, I understand if the concept of loyalty is quite foreign to a select few members of my esteemed audience). Being the political mastermind that I am, I carefully concocted and executed the most cunning of plans, arranging for a multitude of logs to be leaked from my alliance's private membership chats that intricately detailed a falsified desire to turn on my allies. By taunting them thus, I assured that my coalition's starved whales would not be left out of this noble fight. They responded quickly and slotted my upper tier, securing me their continued happiness at my own cost of bleeding members and pixels. In fact, I think we all could stand to learn from my brave and beautiful example of self-sacrifice.

I think the funniest part of this is Woomy saying "I'm gonna see if DB wanna fight" >DB >Fight Pick one.

Him being funded by t$ is literally just me returning his deposits from when he left t$/the game mid war during knightfall. Parti-boi you are losing it.

Would just like to confirm I'm a huge war dodger, and have a long track record of dodging wars. Thanks for forcing me to get this off my chest, Buorhann. Only through the help of others can I overcome this disease.

Can no one keep a fricking secret these days?

Out of 5 options, the majority of my readers chose that the war will end within a timespan of 6 weeks-2 months (from a week ago.)

Hmmmmmm. Until TCW's military reputation is restored? Until Citadel establishes itself as an independent political force? Until IQ stops being IQ? ... oh dear.

If you increase the base nation loot take I wouldn't really be opposed to this. Its incredibly difficult to have your bank looted as it is.

If people in your alliance are quitting the game due to boredom, that's a direct result of an incompetent government. If your alliance does not create an economic system which creates an incentive to be active, your best and biggest members will leave, your taxes will rise, and you'll turn into a low-tier cess-pool pandering to the admin to benefit yourself rather than spending time adapting like prominent alliances are and should be.

No thanks, A true civilized population needs a hierarchy. The ability to distinguish patricians and plebs clearly is vital and unfortunately for IQ, they are at the bottom of the pecking order. Keep IQ down.

While Greene's boats were sunk, the sheer treasure contained within slowed his enemy down considerably and so he was able to escape towards the Radiant Army headquarters in the region, Ignatia, the deceased Don Juan's former seat of power. Using his wealth he bribed to his side the corrupt Radiant Army force stationed there and then gathered mercenaries from all 4 corners of the land under Heaven. His force was so, that even Lordship's show of force in the past that drove the Son of Heaven from his lands could not match it. Such was the power of wealth. Greene's army was large yes, however most men had little or no loyalty to him and Greene's officers, largely incompetent sycophants of Greene could not control them adequately. In their council in Ignatia Nicol Bolas spoke up on the matter, "Lord Greene our forces are large but they are badly trained and disloyal so it would be unwise to engage such a foe so quickly". Greene responded by ordering his execution. When Ferdinand Fuhrn spoke up about how executing a loyal officer who merely wishes to advise was wrong, he too was executed. "Listen you ingrates, I pay you to fight for me and not to question. My army is so massive that if all my men were to throw their whips into the Llanera River, its flow would stop. It does not matter how talented Rozalia is, it does not matter whatever pathetic resistance his army puts up, my army is the largest under Heaven and will lay anyone and everyone to waste. Anyone who thinks otherwise can join those two on the gallows because you see, you're all quite replaceable to me" Greene smiled and thought about how things were going, first he would crush that pesky Rozalia and then he takes down Lordship. Nothing can stop him. The Son of Heaven heard of all the going on and began amassing allies and his own forces in Rozapolis. Spaceman Thrax who brought a sizable force and others who came to help were treated admirably, but an issue occurred when they heard that the expected battle site was not being reinforced. When asked the Roz could merely say that there is no reason to worry, though he would not expand on the subject. Greene was told that due to the army's sheer size that moving it would be difficult and slow and as such he decided to lead an advance force ahead of his main body to Grillago, which had been recently recaptured from the Radiant Army by Roz Wei forces under Kastor. Robert Ap Ioan spoke up about the foe they would face, "Lord Greene, Kastor they famously say is too adventurous and independent. If you bribe him and promise him land and power he will certainly surrender to you. Vexz who we currently have in our forces is an old friend of Kastor and I'm sure will be able to sway him". Vexz however while acting as a messenger to try to get Kastor to surrender, instead informed him that Greene's main army was still quite a ways away and he should try to derail his campaign by defeating his advance force. Kabr and Kanzaki both leading 10,000 soldiers each were sent to engage the advance force Greene had brought with him and together they scored a devastating victory, killing 30,000 men, killing worgenwow and Zamenhof in battle, and looting many of Greene's personal treasures such as his Akan Drum and his Emerald Tableware. Greene humiliated had to flee back to the safety of his main force and this had the effect of even further slowing down his main army and reducing morale. The Son of Heaven heard of Kastor's great victories and celebrated it all with a grand party for him and those gathered. When his officer Dubayoo came to his residence at the insistence of Spaceman Thrax to talk of why the battle site was not being reinforced, the Son of Heaven feigned paralysis to not see him. By the time Greene's main force reached Grillago and the surrounding area he found it's towns evacuated, it's fields bare, and it's forts flooded. Morale for his army fell even lower than it was but Greene decided to continue for nothing could defeat his massive army. Opposite of Greene's 1,170,000 soldiers were the 80,000 elite soldiers under the Son of Heaven. Spaceman Thrax was worried, their forces could certainly not move forward and they had prepared no defenses on their side of the river. He questioned at the council why no defenses had been prepared and at last the Son of Heaven spoke clearly on the matter, "There is no reason for us to build defenses because we will not battle here". Puzzled Spaceman Thrax questioned further, "Do you mean to say we will attack over the river onto Greene's side? He would never allow us to cross and we'd be advancing on an army 10 times our own and giving the defensive edge to them". This comment affected those present who thought the Son of Heaven's ideas quite ridiculous also. The Son of Heaven noticing this moved to quash this distrust, "You think that Greene will never allow us across the river? Then watch as I show that to be wrong... I will... simply ask". Greene was surprised to receive a letter from Rozalia stating that the allied forces wished to engage Greene's army in battle and asking him to move his army north a little bit so they could cross and engage. Robert Ap Ioan spoke up stating that maneuvering such a large army in that manner was too complicated for the advantages that might be obtained, especially with so many ill disciplined troops. Greene however thought it wonderful, to be able to punish his opponent's arrogance. Many soldiers in Greene's army began to worry why a sudden retreat order had been given. Already retreating and heavily demoralized, Greene's army went into a panic when Spaceman Thrax, who had rapidly crossed the river to attack, raised a shout of "the Greene army has been defeated". Rozalia and generals AkAk and Andes crossed the river and launched a major assault. The "the Greene army is defeated" rumour spread like wildfire among Greene's army, and chaos erupted. Robert Ap Ioan personally tried to halt the retreat and reorganise the troops, but his horse suddenly buckled and he was killed by the advancing Allied forces unit under Tulip. The allied forces generals noticed the chaotic footprints and wheel marks, and declared that the Greene army was not in an organised retreat but could only be in total disarray. The allied forces soldiers continued their pursuit, and the entire Greene army collapsed. A large amount of food and supplies were abandoned as Greene's soldiers tried to escape with their lives. In the ensuing retreat and pursuit, an estimated 90-95% of Greene's troops died from combat, starvation and exposure to the elements. As Greene escaped, he screamed at the sky, "The Heavens have annihilated me!" Following the battle Rozalia regained much of his former land including the grand Ignatia. From there he declared that the Age of Roz was at hand and celebrated by taking 42 concubines from across the globe, a fact he publicised greatly to the annoyance of many. As for Greene he tried to escape to the ends of the earth but he was captured at a checkpoint by Lordship's soldiers and brought to the irritated ruler who had him executed. Soon after Lordship received a letter from the Son of Heaven. It was an image with many naked women in it, something of no interest to him, however his eyes widened in interest and admiration when he saw the Roz himself naked in the image. Lordship quickly ordered everyone out of the room so he could be alone.