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It is with heavy hearts that we share the news of the passing of Shanghainese, a cherished member of the Rose community. Shanghainese tragically lost his life in the recent Palisade fires in Los Angeles. Shanghainese (https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=267177) joined our community in 2021 and quickly became a respected and valued member. While his real-life commitments led to reduced activity in recent months, his impact during his time with us was always appreciated. He was known for his humor, dedication, and the valuable contributions he made to our community. Shanghainese served with distinction in both our Internal, Economic and Foreign Affairs departments as staff. He played a vital role in welcoming and training new members, and many within our community will remember his guidance and support. Beyond his official roles, Shanghainese was a friend to many. His positive spirit and willingness to help others left a lasting impression on those who had the pleasure of interacting with him. He will be deeply missed by all of us in Rose. We understand that some within the broader Politics and War community may have interacted with Shanghainese, and we invite you to share your memories and condolences. We, the Rose community, have requested that Alex Perma VM his nation to ensure that it lives as an eternal in-game memorial. In times of loss, it's important to remember the positive impact individuals have on our lives, both in-game and beyond. Let us honor Shanghainese's memory by continuing to foster the spirit of camaraderie and support that he exemplified within our community. Our thoughts are with his family and loved ones during this difficult time. Sincerely, The Rose Community

Hello friends, enemies and everyone in-between! I'm happy to announce that after our most recent mutiny, yours truly has been crowned as the next Grand Admiral of Arrgh! People are calling it "the most peaceful transition of power in Arrgh history" after a serene mutiny that saw just 40 casualties, 7 sunken vessels and the loss of one beautiful scarlet macaw, who will be missed most of all. Some of the landlubbers amongst you might be wondering what this means for you. Your extreme self absorbedness aside, you can expect even bigger and better events coming to a forum near you very soon! How soon? Sooner than you might think. Okay maybe not that soon, but soon enough. Speaking of soon, do you know what's never too soon? Joining Arrgh! If you thought our last event was fun, just wait until you've tried being on our side of it. Now that the plug's out of the way, say it with me... Soon! wait no let me try that again Arrgh! There we go.

Haven't bothered to read most of the thread, but you automatically lose the argument because of this.

Η Nemesys λυγίζει τις γραμμές! The once-beloved alliance, Nemesys, rises again from the shadows of time, returning to the world of Orbis with a singular purpose: to restore order and reclaim our rightful place among the stars. Our strength lies not only in our skill and unity, but in the unwavering determination to protect what is just, challenge the corrupt, and face all adversity with a resolute spirit. We are the guardians of balance, the architects of peace, and the inheritors of a legacy built on honor. Let it be known: Nemesys has returned, and with us, a new era begins. Those who stand with us shall know power, and those who oppose us shall learn that even time cannot erase the might of Nemesys. To the ears who have forgotten the might of Nemesys, let us enlighten you: Nemesys was a Top 30 alliance that first formed in September of 2023, known for its fighting prowess and aggressive playstyle. We were feared, respected,aggressive and most importantly, victorious—but we fell. The dissolution came when a mass exodus took place, as many fled in the face of inactivity and the failure to uphold our grants. Despite this, Nemesys never lost its resolve. We have learned from the mistakes of the past. This time, we are stronger, wiser, and unyielding.. Nemesys is back, and we are here to stay. Είμαστε η σκιά που προστατεύει το φως, ο απολογισμός για αυτούς που λεηλατούν τους ανήμπορους. Η δικαιοσύνη δεν ησυχάζει - παρακολουθεί, μαθαίνει, χτυπά Translation “We are the shadow that protects the light, the reckoning for those who prey on the helpless. Justice doesn’t rest—it watches, it learns, it strikes”

I know I been advocating for a change in spy/espionage game mechanics for quite a while now, but this is the last time i am going to create a post about this topic, i do however feel we need to discuss more about changing the Spy mechanics to balance out the game and keep things fair in terms of spy warfare. So therefore i propose the following, 1. Halve the maximum number of spies needed to build from 60 to 30 spies per nation (This is to allow nations to maximize their spies a lot quicker giving them a better opportunity to rebuild after having their spies wiped out from espionage attacks) 2. Double the cost of building of building spies from $50,000 to $100,000 per spy (In order to balance out the cost, keeping the cost the same it takes to maximize your spies) 3. Double the strength of each spy (So the spies are neither nerfed nor buffed) 4. Nations in beige protection bloc are protected from espionage attacks while being in beige. Excluding Intel Gathering (To allow the player the opportunity to rebuild without having their spies constantly being wiped out and also to allow the player the opportunity to rebuild to max or close to max) 5. Nations in beige performing espionage attacks end up forfeiting protection from incoming espionage attacks, if the nation in beige conducts an espionage attack excluding intel gathering. But they still remain in Beige Protection Bloc and remain protected from being declared upon (Since the beige nation is protected from espionage attacks, it is only fair to prevent them from performing espionage attacks on others who are not in beige protection, however, the player may forfeit the espionage protection if the player chooses to perform espionage attacks against other players) Another argument I'll like to add is the current lay out and set up of Espionage/Spy mechanics is pretty unbalanced since you lose almost half of your max spies in just three espionage attacks, the next following day you build 4 Spies only to get another 20-25 spies wiped out, within three days all your spies have been wiped out. It takes roughly 15 days to build to max if you have the projects, whereas an average player takes 21 days to rebuild and maximize their spies. Also, it is almost near impossible to maximize since you can never catch up with constant spy wiping, which is why the espionage/spy mechanic at its current form is very unbalanced and favorable to one side only. I do believe with my proposal; the problem will be partially fixed, or at least become fairer and more balanced in future spy warfare's. @Alex@Keegoz#Dev-Team I apologize for the pinging. I thought I'll bring this to your attention and i thank you all in advance for taking the time to read my proposal and taking my proposal into consideration.

The High Table wishes you all Happy New Year! This includes the fine folks at Eclipse, TKR, WAP, TSC, and Weebunism who decided to crash our Christmas party a few weeks ago and go pee-pee in our punch bowl. But hey, some would say we deserve it — or that 3 major wars in 2024 wasn’t enough for us. No hard feelings. After much discussion (a solid 37-minutes at best), we decided 2025 will be a new beginning. So we’re ridding ourselves of drunks who forget their passwords, and shedding infra as part of our resolution. Farming really is boring but we tried. Now let’s have some fun! TLDR: The High Table recognizes hostilities with 60% of you reading this, acknowledges 30% of you still don’t know who we are or care, and estimates maybe 10% of you actually like us. (Also real life hindered our video editor from completing the above clip sooner, but we hope you still enjoy it.)

Name Withheld recognises that Eclipse got bored, and needed a wild Tuesday night. We'll try not to disappoint. Name Withheld recognises hostilities with Eclipse, Weaponized Assault Penguins and Weebunism (plus all the offshores and micros etc etc).

As of this time, and maybe a few hours ten years ago, I created my nation in P&W. Now I'm by no means the oldest player around - unlike a few of you I never participated in the Beta or any of that stuff, but I joined on the off-chance after reading a comment by someone (no idea who) on the Green Protection Agency's forum (CN version not the P&W one, obviously ) mentioning our esteemed admin doing some questionable advertising (their words, paraphrased, not mine). Just why I had the time on what seemed to be quite a nice sunny day to be creating nations and playing games online on New Years Eve, I have no idea (my excuse today is it's pissing down like mad and the wind is shaking the house, and it's dark...), but here I am still, ten years later. Its stating the obvious to say that a lot has changed, but it really has. Unfortunately I don't currently have access to my desktop PC which has all my screenshots from over the years on, but everything, from UI to tactics, to features (RIP Alliance Headquarters and countries on the map being perfect circles around your capital), and even Sheepy~ uh, I mean Alex's name has seen some kind of change. Having been in positions of alliance governments for much of that time too, and going from using IRC rooms to conduct alliance business to Discord, and seeing that take over everything, and from manually assigning targets in wars to having nifty automated scripts to save literal hours of staring at sheets and numbers - its certainly been interesting. I've had a lot of fun memories: - starting off my first 8-or-so months of playing taking part in spam games on the DEIC forums - speaking with @Mayor (sorry for the ping, hehe) and Rozalia and joining Roz Wei - a time that still holds some of my fondest memories, from the friends made and the community that came from there, wars fought etc. (being part of an alliance forcing another alliance to give up it's oil and drop it's protector was a fun time) - taking part in @Kastor's (not sorry for the ping 😈) merry bands of alliances, and the genuine fun that was had from those antics - rejoining Roz Wei post-Rozalia and helping to build that alliance up, then co-leading that alliance for a number of years (and early on especially, doing some really fun stuff) etc. etc. etc. - that's like the first 5 years covered. It's a hell of a long time when I think about it, and I daren't think about how many hours over those years I've spent, and seem to be still spending here. Miss a lot of people too - those that have moved on, those that no longer live, but then again someone new always appears. There were some great people that appeared in the latter years of The Wei: @Boris Underground and @Blair4932 to name just two (I can't think how many others actually have forum accounts to name, but if you're reading this and are a former Wei member, I probably like you ) Back in 2014 I was still at university. Now I work full time and live with my partner, and have no where near as much time as I used to to play these things, but it is still fun to log in and converse with people, click a few things and log out again, even if I can't participate as effectively in things like wars as I used to like being able to do. No idea if this game will still be here in another 10 years, and no clue if it is if I'll be still logging in and making the occasional post - I guess we'll see! It doesn't seem like many people use these forums anymore, so I feel I can get away with a rambling post like this now compared to a few years ago. Where are the 30 page long discussions on DoWs nowadays? News servers? EWWWWW. -THE Definitive James (and the oldest, prettiest, most Jamesest etc.etc...just read the signature or something)

Can we please change it so that nations cannot declare wars if they do not have a significant amount of miltiary units (Soldiers, Tanks, Ships, Navy). Preferably greater than 50%, as they should be able to rebuild that much during Beige Protection. Additionally, if they sell off all the above military units at any point during a war, that is taken to mean they have given up and victory is declared immediately for the other nation(s), preferably without sending them into Beige Protection. It seems counter to the entire war mechanic that nations can sit around in Beige, not using the time to actually rebuild their miltary, only to declare war again when they leave Beige and maybe have enough resources to fund a nuke or missile. The entire war mechanic has become a joke and gameplay is now just nuking other nations, while inflating the food market.

Hello everyone! Gather around, because it’s time once again for Orbis to celebrate the annual PnW Academy Awards! For those unfamiliar, the PnW Awards are a community event, organized by members of the community to reflect on and commemorate the past year. This tradition has been a part of our history since 2016, evolving in various forms over time. And now, I’m thrilled to announce the 2024 edition of the awards! As always, we’ve welcomed many new faces to the game this year who might not yet know how the process works. To help everyone join in on the fun, here’s a quick guide to explain how it all goes down. There are a few changes so be sure to give it a read so you don’t miss a thing: Award Categories Alliance Categories Player Categories Community Categories You can put nominations in the following threads Alliance Award Nomination Thread Player Award Nomination Thread Community Award Nomination Thread Your 2024 Awards Committee: Name Discord Alliance Velyni Vas @velynivas Rose Indger @indger The Knights Radiant Putmir @putmir Eclipse Adrienne @nizamadrienne The Knights Radiant MCM @mcm3200 The Syndicate

We are The Exiled, a crime syndicate alliance with a vision that transcends the ordinary. Our mission is to carve a unique path in Orbis, blending the chaotic thrill of piracy with the strategic finesse of political maneuvering. We refuse to be confined by conventional labels or expectations. Under the leadership of Nanami Haruka, our alliance welcomes those who dare to think differently, act boldly, and embrace the madness. Together with her friends, Nanami aims to gather the wildest minds in Orbis to create a force unlike any other. Our actions are driven by a desire to make our mark, not by adhering to traditional standards. We invite you to judge us not by your typical measures but by the impact of our deeds. As our first public act, we present the bombing of POKIMANS. Enjoy the spectacle and witness the beginning of The Exiled P.S. Curious about our government structure? Well, we don't have one!

Your treaty with Anarch says everything I need to know.

You mean to tell me a protectorate is... protecting? Also, a 1 nation alliance talking about nanos is hilarious

December 25, 2024 — Vault-Tec Corporation, the global leader in innovative solutions for "just-in-case" living, is thrilled to unveil a groundbreaking new chapter in our mission. After years of enjoying our cozy spot beneath the protective—and delightfully well-funded—wing of Event Horizon, we are pleased to announce that we will now broaden our horizons (pun absolutely intended). In alignment with our core values of "Preparedness Through Innovation™" and "Concrete Solutions for Uncertain Times™", Vault-Tec is excited to announce an upgrade in our strategic partnership with Event Horizon. This enhanced Mutual Defense and Optional Agression Pact (MDoAP) allows us to maintain our cherished relationship while expanding our own initiatives in the rapidly evolving global defense sector. As geopolitical tensions continue to rise faster than our elevator shaft depths, we believe this is the perfect time to showcase Vault-Tec's capabilities beyond our traditionally underground ventures. Our shareholders will be pleased to know that this expansion comes with zero impact to our Q4 bunker production quotas. This Christmas, we're gifting ourselves something better than a new blast door – independence! (Though our R&D department assures me the new blast doors are quite remarkable.) Rest assured, we will continue to work closely with Event Horizon, just with more autonomy and fewer awkward holiday party obligations. Vault-Tec: Still Providing You Peace of Mind—Now With More Autonomy™ --- tl;dr: Vault-Tec upgrades its treaty with Event Horizon from a protectorate status to MDoAP

my condolences

@Pascal Let me first summarize how I took this response: Mostly echoing of Vein’s points, consisting of dismissing concerns and reframing my arguments. There were also some outright denial of my claims, and a claim of accountability with no specific details therewithin. All the while you have still yet to substantively address the concerns raised, preferring to dodge and weave through the accusations and throw a buckshot of anti-Rose points back at me. I’ll give credit where credit’s due, I respect a cohesive defense even if it doesn’t actually address the issues presented. My claim was never that no one had reason to criticize Rose and its past actions. If that’s the path you choose to take in response, we’re going to continue to have very different conversations. The point remains that all of Vein’s response was to move away from the claims I was making and point to every reason anyone has to call Rose the bad guy. I won’t really get into how “General belief is not a narrative.” isn’t even true, because frankly I get what you were trying to say there. However, I disagree with the insinuation that Rose’s actions are fundamentally somehow worse than Eclipse’s and therefore more worthy of public scrutiny. Rose simply hasn’t been in public aggressively shutting down the rhetoric against us. Something that, mind you, I still won’t do, and haven’t here. Regardless, the claim wasn’t that Eclipse was the sole catalyst behind the anti-Rose sentiment, but rather that Vein’s arguments took all of the concerns presented in the immediate post and attempted to reframe them as “Rose is the bad guy, not us.” I’ll be blatant here - I have no clue what world you live in that you believe no one else is concerned with the current FA meta. Complaints about NAP length and stagnation in the parties fighting aren’t hard to come by, especially looking just at the forum posts regarding the wars of contention we argue about today. They have existed long before this conflict, and resonate far beyond just Rose. You denying the existence of these concerns and claiming Rose is the sole complainant based on this recent rolling is both overly reductive and disingenuous - it is an easy way to redirect the argument. It’s very possible that this sentiment simply doesn’t reach you, as you’ve proven to a lot of the game to be rather aggressive towards parties who voice disagreement with you. In fact, Eclipse’s aggressive approach toward alliances that don’t align with their goals or criticize their actions is worth considering here. That posture, coupled with Eclipse’s deep integration into the public sphere of Orbis, likely contributes to the disparity in public criticism. While Rose has historically operated more behind the scenes, Eclipse’s dominance in shaping public discourse, directly or indirectly, creates an environment where dissenting voices often remain silent, fearing retaliation. All the while performing the same types of backroom deals as Rose - and as you guys put it, you do them "better." I’d just like to point out that you don’t even bother to fairly represent my argument at this point. Instead of quoting the specific statements you’re addressing, you summarize my argument by calling it “bullshit” and argue that I’m “spinning the same thing every single paragraph.” These statements miss the entire point of building a cohesive argument: I’m tying your misdirections back to my original claims, instead of allowing the widespread attacks coming my way to distract from the point I am making. You again bring up the CB argument which, to be clear if I wasn’t previously, was never meant to be a major point of contention in regards to this conversation but rather an example of a broader issue I would like to push to change. I acknowledge and respect Eclipse’s choice to provide their rationale for the war privately in our embassy, regardless of Rose’s feelings about those reasons. I’ll go point by point here. You begin by talking about the ‘visible part of the iceberg’ and claim our arguing of large MDoAPs is a deceptively innocent argument, yet you don’t address the fact that once a treaty is signed there is no longer an “art to negotiation" in activating that treaty. Your many MDoAPs were, as far as I’m aware (again, feel free to correct me), not signed for a purpose other than to rally more people to be obligated to defend you with no negotiation necessary. You point out that Rose “specializes in backroom FA,” which unless I’m mistaken, every major alliance speaks in back rooms and attempts to plan in them. This is standard diplomacy in Orbis. The only difference with Rose was that we did not also engage in public discourse for a long time. Again, something actively being changed by the current administration, but I understand that it takes time for these things to be cemented. Finally, to address your “political climate” comment - you bring up this political climate and how I don’t question it - Am I not actively questioning it right now? What reasoning can you give as to why you need to have that scale of parties obligated in your defense? Do you fear that if someone doesn’t have an on-paper treaty with you that they will fail to defend you when you need them most? These aren’t accusations, I am genuinely confused by this idea. I appreciate the direct answers. Suggesting Eclipse operates under the same level of scrutiny as Rose can be true, yet something Vein mentioned about the times historically that Rose has made big spheres goes to show that's not always the case. Its been argued in the current debate that Eclipsesphere is fractured, so it isn't as bad as it seems, and therefore that's why you receive no scrutiny for it. Yet as I've pointed out and you wish to downplay, anyone wishing to wage war against Eclipse must deal with all of your M-level allies and possibly even the allies of that already large coalition; anyone who downplays that is either misleading or has never lead a war coalition. Then to say “we are not Rose” in regard to why you don't receive that criticism is not an argument, it’s an excuse, and one that we have noted to being a good one to lay low. Dismissing concerns while simultaneously demanding others take accountability for their history only reinforces the claim of hypocrisy. Rose isn't discrediting the opinions of others for our past actions. We've come to understand and respect many of the grievances and beliefs held by others towards Rose for previous actions. We understand that a higher level of communication and betterment of how we conduct ourselves are things we can address immediately and moving forward. At this point, it's a matter of time and dedication for us to mend the wrongdoings of those before me, which is not something I get to decide the timeframe for, and I accept that. ---------- @Solomon Ben-David It seems, by far and large, I’ve done myself a disservice by framing this as an RoH rather than just posting it independently. Admittedly, I was naively unaware that I didn’t have to have a tag when posting in the Alliance Affairs forum (Rose dumb), and RoH was the closest tag for what the goal of this post was. While coming a week after getting declared on by the opposing coalition, the arguments made within this post truly have very little to do with the war itself. At this point, all parties involved have discussed with Rose their involvement in this war and their intentions behind it. I do find it odd to reference an argument you say is common for Rose, but in that same sentence say you wont comment on, by commenting on it nonetheless. I do agree that the lack of outreach was what TSC had mentioned as their reasoning for this war, but the part of hostility to many of the parties involved was distinctly left out. As far as I can recall, the only actions toward The House by the most recent administration and that of mine have only been "friendly" in nature, namely our joint war in Blue Balled, and one situation that happened during my administration in which House reached out to garner our votes in the Arrgh Reverse Nuke Auction event to get TSC specifically out of the runnings. A move that was intended to show that despite wounds on neither side being fully healed, that the current administration saw it unfit and unbecoming to continue active hostility towards your alliance. I take it that it may not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it does make me wonder how you felt hostilities from us at that time, and did not bring this to me then or when we first spoke on this war. While I am adamant that this is a new administration and direction for Rose, I am not under the illusion that the leaving of the previous administration absolves the alliance itself of all actions taken up to that point. I understand and respect that many still have grievances with Rose for events in recent history, and we have reached out to many in regards to mending these, something we have long neglected. ---------- @Daveth Hey Daveth. My goal here is not simply to shift blame on to Eclipse or engage in “no u” arguments. Instead, it is my goal to address systemic double standards. You state that to the best of your knowledge there isn’t an equivalent sentiment against them, and that is where my question is raised: Why? The specific details are, of course, more thoroughly explored in my responses to Vein and (more recently) Pascal. I appreciate the acknowledgements of my efforts to distinguish myself from my predecessors. It’s not an easy thing, obviously, and I am aware it cannot be done with a single post. My hope is that in time Rose can be shown to be taking a heading towards accountability and fostering a more balanced discussion about politics within Orbis. I understand that you believe I missed the mark here, though I do believe that my arguments still have merit. However, I am going to continue to engage and refine my approach for future discussions.

Hello, my name is Nokia Brito Monteiro-Rokia an Disabled American Veteran and today I am requesting aide for a fellow Disabled Veteran to save him from ending up homeless due to taking care of his disabled father. Any money you can give this man to support his family is greatly appreciated and can be as little as $5 dollar to make a difference. He served his nation and now is at risk of being homeless as a Veteran who has been homeless several times after the Army I hope to assist this Veteran and prevent him from going through the unfortunate events I had to endure especially with his dying father which makes his circumstances substantially worse. https://gofund.me/e4b957ef This Veteran is also an long time player of Politics and War and been an amazing friend for almost half an decade. This post was made with permission of those concerned.

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You* don't care about standards unless its your enemy breaking them. Don't speak for everyone.

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Retribution mentioned?

It's very clear that PnW is no longer Sheepy's passion project anymore, and has not been for some time. Like I've been saying, ad money is being pulled out of the game, we are no longer the target development demographic, and game dev progress is only being advanced at a snail's pace by players themselves and not by Sheepy himself anymore. In short, we are the cash cows and he is gonna milk us until the game dies out. Incentive to buy credits will continue to increase. An unfortunate existence!

No one cares about standards unless it's their enemy breaking them. People only care about these sort of transgressions if it's their direct rivals or people they dislike doing them. Rose has fought more people, so you have more enemies, hence more public backlash. Since all the CB's for this war seem to mostly have been kept private, I'm assuming this isn't an ideological war at all, but one of removing competition and "outgrowing" a major alliance. I like the public turn to FA, It's been very interesting to read the back and forth, but I would be genuinely surprised if we saw a meta shift away from any of this stuff being debated, after years of it. Perhaps I'm just doom posting, and someone will actually do so, but I have interacted with enough alliances to know regardless of public rhetoric, the actual difference in playstyle is small between them. The growth meta is in the drivers seat of politics.

This has to be a troll post right? If we implement the 50% war declaration proposal, any leverage for smaller alliances and blocs would be removed. Using the current conflict as an example Eclipse could sit on Rose forever, with no incentive to peace out. Or any larger alliance could just sit on a smaller one, which would have no recourse. This would greatly benefit established nations and alliances, and be a huge detriment to new players and new alliances. Larger alliances would use this to bully smaller ones into disbanding or merging. WIthout a rework of the war mechanics, I would forsee this driving new players away and killing the game.

Oh man, i don't know whether you are being serious or just trolling, and i literally have mixed feelings whether to laugh or just nod my head as shocked and annoyed. But anyways i am going to address all your points now, 1. What you are proposing is that a player has to be 50% or more militarized in order to be able to declare wars, and also that nations that are involved in 3 defensive wars that are stronger than the player who is defending itself has all it's units wiped out becomes an automatic defeat, eliminating the 100 resistance down to zero before the nation is defeated, also proposing to get rid of beige protection blocs. By introducing your proposal, you are literally, A. Destroying the players ability to be able to fight back using other forms of tactics such as guerilla warfare, nukes and missiles B. Also eliminating the players ability to be able to counter against the attackers C. Eliminating the alliances who are on the dogpiled side from even fighting back through means of nuke/missile turreting in order to inflict maximum damage to the dogpiler coalition D. Eliminating and completely destroying raiding as a whole (You say it would kill all possible counters, then list every single possible counter that I am killing.) That has been answered through Point 1, with sub points from A-D. (The way things currently are with wars, it's not even worth trying to Beige cycle nations. Just pile up the Beige time and they'll be back attacking you within a week. No attempt to even rebuild military during their Beige time, it's just declare, throw a nuke or missile, get Beiged again and repeat.) Well that's the whole point, what is the point to rebuild military only to have your military destroyed repeatedly over and over again if being on the side of the coalition who is getting dogpiled. The only way to fight back is through destroying as much infrastructure as possible through nukes and missiles in order to make it very expensive for the other side who holds every bit of advantage from numbers in low, mid and high city tiers as well as having superior military over the opponents who have inferior military units. So the only way to fight back is with guerilla warfare inflicting maximum damage and making the war become very expensive to the dogpiller. (There is nothing fun about that, on either side of the war.) The game is called Politics and War for a reason, not Politics and Pixels. Instead of just saying "No I don't like this", how about actually understanding where I'm coming from and coming up with alternate suggestions to better improve the game. Obviously, pixel huggers do not like this but that's too bad, what your suggesting is will completely destroy the game and create a mass exodus. The game already restricts down declares. It's actually smaller nations who have been given more freedom to declare war on larger nations. Well Duh!! How is it fair for a C50 such as yourself being able to down declare on a nation that is C20? That would definitely be unfair and unbalanced. How would it destroy profitable raiding? Outline the gameplay and how it would be affected. Then maybe try to understand where I'm coming from and offer suggestions. It will destroy profitable raiding because it will remove the ability of the player from declaring wars if they are under 50% militarized. Profitable raiding is only maxing out soldiers because they are cheap to use and very cheap to build and also allowing players to be able to down declare much easier by keeping their score as low as possible, with your proposal, it would take away our ability to raid and make raiding become super expensive and unprofitable.

Shang was an incredibly bright young man, heavily involved in his community and a number of youth organizations, it's a truly tragic loss for the many who have met him. May he rest in peace.

We left him on a lovely desert island. Real premium stuff, TWO whole palm trees!

Dawg I am still here and playing 😭

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Do yourself a favour and take some time off this game to cool off. Everyone involved will be happier for it.

>attacks a top 40 alliance >gets butthurt when their prot does their job

You can't blame me for thinking it could be. It's a really bad idea for the vast majority of the game. We'd just end up in an arms race with alliances merging to become the most dominant, with no influx of new alliances to provide alternatives. Considering that being a gov position in an alliance is half the game we need more alliances and not less. Don't get me wrong, I am all for reworking the war mechanics to incentivize rebuilding military and more conventional fights, but not at the cost of removing the only recourse small alliances have against larger ones.

I recall a rule that players MUST prosecute wars as rapidly as possible. For the last several rounds with Oblivion, Ockey5 of Hotel has been stretching the wars out excessively, routinely idling at 12 MAPs https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=29786 Can someone please look into this? Birdland and Vice have done the same, and it appears to be an alliance tactic that is specifically forbidden. Is this rule still in place? These guys have been constantly spying me for over a year for reasons thy refuse to explain. We should have rules against toxic bullying, but in the meantime, can we please firmly enforce the rules that do exist? Assuming this is still a game rule?

we already have war range based on nation score (city count, military units, project and total infra) unless Alex and the moderators are willing to remove that and we will get C30 raids C5 as often as possible. surrender option may be a good idea, but it might be more optimal if the surrender option equals 14% of the loot from resources and cash when war is declared. so for example if I'm declared raid on you when you hold 100 million and you surrender. I'll get 14 million automatically as "surrender" without beige protection? seriously .. that means when another player manages to defeat you, a second later there will be another player attacking and of course there is no time to rebuild the defeated military. beige aims to give players a "breath" or "pause" while fighting. it's a guerrilla tactic, a situation where they've lost militarily and all they do is destroy as much enemy infra as possible using missiles and nukes. there's no other way. you might be surprised if some micros or nanos can give a blow damage on larger alliances by this method. "we win, we loot. we lose, we nuke" food radiation might be annoying, then why don't you farm/buy food during peace time? thanks to NAP for giving a breath of fresh air to some players where they can prepare everything before going into the next battlefield.

This as a call to arms to all fellow raiders and turrenters who love to watch infra burn and a DoW against Dark star and their child leader who relies on sucking off Event Horizon to fight his battles for him since he and his alliance is to incapable and incompetent to fight for themselves. dark star is literally just a inflated nano, a group of war dodgers, cowards, runners, backstabbers, coupers, bank thief's (*their most recent being them defaulting on their 5bil loan with Magnum opus ive recently heard about*) who has never faced any adversity before cause they always hide behind the skirts of EVH and are so used to threatening/ hitting those smaller then them and everyone else and getting away with it and no one ever doing anything about it. well enough is enough and the same alliance that created Demon and gave him all the knowledge he currently has has come back to teach him one more lesson. You do not !@#$ with an OG who quite literally made you and think your going to walk away from it, and learn from Alans (Leader of blackskies/coven) mistakes and I will not stop until I personally put you 10bil back in damages so have fun sucking off Event horizon cause we all know you love the feeling of their balls slapping against you chin as you try and get them to save you from your own stupidity. P.S: love the fact your stupid ass keeps giving me 2k infra members as counters so keep giving me infra to burn, your already 100mil down the drain and it hasnt even been 12 hours. OG ex gov of the 2014 NYK and the creator of the new one. - Meridian

Alliance of the Year: Cult of Raccoon Most Improved Alliance: The Sword Coast Best New Merged Alliance: Spectre Best Rookie Alliance: Vought International Best Alliance for New Players: Arrgh Most Likely to Succeed in 2025: Eclipse Most Likely to be Rolled in 2025: Rose (Merry Christmas Rosians) Most Honorable Alliance: Retribution Best Fighting Alliance: Knights Templar Worst Fighting Alliance: The Immortals Best Alliance Growth: Rose Best Foreign Affairs Team: Singularity Best Foreign Affairs Move: The Voting Game Worst Foreign Affairs Move: Merging into NSC Alliance with Best Propaganda: Empire of the Romans Most Missed Alliance: The Wei Best Alliance Flag (please link): The Republic of Libertas Best Holiday Flag (please link): didn't think about this during the holidays Biggest Alliance Decline in 2024: Antarctica Alliance Best Alliance Theme: The Fremen

May his memory be a blessing to all who knew him. This is tragic news and never something to take lightly. Sending love to everyone.

Alliance of the Year: sillycats Most Improved Alliance: sillycats Best New Merged Alliance: idk Best Rookie Alliance: sillycats Best Alliance for New Players: sillycats Most Likely to Succeed in 2025: sillycats Most Likely to be Rolled in 2025: Antarctica Alliance Most Honorable Alliance: sillycats Best Fighting Alliance: sillycats Worst Fighting Alliance: Antarctica Alliance Best Alliance Growth: sillycats Best Foreign Affairs Team: sillycats Best Foreign Affairs Move: sillycats Worst Foreign Affairs Move: Antarctica Alliance Alliance with Best Propaganda: sillycats Most Missed Alliance: idk Best Alliance Flag (please link): https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=13250 Best Holiday Flag (please link): idk Biggest Alliance Decline in 2024: Antarctica Alliance Best Alliance Theme: sillycats

Alliance of the Year: Eclipse Most Improved Alliance: Weaponized Assault Penguins Best New Merged Alliance: EVH Best Rookie Alliance: - Best Alliance for New Players: EVH Most Likely to Succeed in 2025: Singularity Most Likely to be Rolled in 2025: EVH Most Honorable Alliance: EVH Best Fighting Alliance: Retribution Worst Fighting Alliance: Weebunism Best Alliance Growth: EVH Best Foreign Affairs Team: Singularity Best Foreign Affairs Move: Cam suiciding Rose Worst Foreign Affairs Move: Rose betrayal of EVH Alliance with Best Propaganda: Eclipse Most Missed Alliance: Carthago Best Alliance Flag (please link): -- Best Holiday Flag (please link): Biggest Alliance Decline in 2024: The Immortals Best Alliance Theme: The Knights Radiant

Hello please send me 30M so I don’t have to join and then leave for it, or do y'all have a fast pass for scammers? Really, the only solution is to disband your local AA and join TKR today!

Your honor, I plead not guilty to charges discussed, nor the previous charges by the prosecution of *checks notes* extortion. Which apparently are the same as war reps in the eyes of the prosecution. Back to the charge at hand, I am slow to finish my wars because I constantly have to shut down my trade bot, remember which of my nations are at war with buck, message him before each attack demanding extortion money, mass delete messages from Horsesock telling me how bad I am at the game, and click through the five million captchas required to attack on each of my nations. oblivion is a peaceful loving alliance. Do what is right here. If you check game history, you will find that it was actually Buck who initiated the first wars.

Alliance of the Year: Eclipse Most Improved Alliance: Weaponized Assault Penguins Best New Merged Alliance: Event Horizon Best Rookie Alliance: - Best Alliance for New Players: - Most Likely to Succeed in 2025: Weaponized Assault Penguins Most Likely to be Rolled in 2025: Eclipse Most Honorable Alliance: - Best Fighting Alliance: Weaponized Assault Pengiuns Worst Fighting Alliance: The Immortals Best Alliance Growth: Eclipse Best Foreign Affairs Team: - Best Foreign Affairs Move: TKR + Eclipse teamup Worst Foreign Affairs Move: 1 day war peace Alliance with Best Propaganda: Black Knights Most Missed Alliance: - Best Alliance Flag (please link): Best Holiday Flag (please link): Biggest Alliance Decline in 2024: The Immortals Best Alliance Theme: Weaponized Assault Penguins

i asked, it was me. I'm the culprit who asked

I like to think I’m pretty good when it comes to reading comprehension. But, I can’t seem to decipher who asked.

We are the Federation of Orbis States, we seek to create a representative government that pushes its members to reach their economic potential, and provides common defense for its nations to freely grow. United we stand, and we believe that all people of Orbis are created equal. Our charter establishes the Federation of Orbis States, which will be referred to as the “FOS”, and holds supremacy over all alliance laws & policies and alliance actions acting contrary to this charter are voided, and should not be followed. As a democracy , we allow our citizens to have a say in alliance affairs unlike most alliances that are a dictatorship. Elections happen every three months in the Federation of Orbis States. With regular elections, you will have the opportunity to have a voice in government, whether choosing a representative or running for office yourself. We have a constitution which maintains the respect and dignity of all members and disallows the misuse of power by any individual Players willing to join Federation of Orbis States must join our discord and open a ticket in #application to become a member. We hope to to become a successful alliance and request the potential diplomats to join our discord server and open an embassy for their alliance. Chairman: Theoden Tiranis Vice Chairman: Popat Chief Judge: Hachi Parliament: Poperti , Hachi , HexdePixel Minister of Defense: Poperti Minister of Foreign Affairs: Popat Minister of Economics: HexdePixel Minister of Internal Affairs: Vacant Our Discord Server Our Constitution Our Alliance Link

@sheikh pookie wake up, new targets dropped

"Nemesys is never coming back" - L1GHT 2024

I'll be honest, this is actually a really hilarious conversation between Rose and Eclipse.

If I would've known me commending rose on making a public statement would derail the thread to this extend I wouldn't have done it