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Prefontaine last won the day on June 13

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  1. Prefontaine

    Let's Clown Arown' :)

  2. Prefontaine

    We Know What Thalmor Did

    5 pages in and I still don’t know what Thalmor did.
  3. Prefontaine

    Shifty News Network-Ask the Viewers

    I only pick easy fights remember? Inb4 jokes about TKR being easy.
  4. Prefontaine

    Shifty News Network-Ask the Viewers

    Poaching? Not in my PolSim! if any experienced players don’t like their current AA and have over 18 cities please feel free to apply to TEst. If you want some action I promise we will fight someone before the end of next month. Iulz
  5. Prefontaine

    Let's Dance!

    Are we sure?
  6. Prefontaine

    Let's Dance!

    To be fair, it was Kastor.
  7. Prefontaine

    The end of the 498 Day War

    I’ve also won a war without firing a single shot. RIP Rothschild. Do I win warfare bingo yet?
  8. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    Your post inspired me.
  9. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    I guess as sufficient wrap up of my original thoughts and the subsequent comments is that CBs only have as much stock as you put in them, but you shouldn't put too much stock in them. Someone's CB isn't invalid just because you believe it is, if it's valid to them then it's valid because they're the ones acting upon it. You can find it lacking by your standards of CB-quality but that does not undermine is validity. From a personal stand point I find people putting far too much stock into CBs these days, which is why I made this thread, to have a (surprisingly) civil discussion on the matter. I don't like CBs being treated as a political handcuff for acting because I do like political activity. War is what generates our political friction. There's plenty of other things that cause political events but without war there is no consequence to our political moves. I don't want alliances to feel like they have to appeal to the older alliances on what is acceptable to go to war. You can fight whom you want over whatever you want.
  10. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    Edit: Never mind. I'll save us several walls of text. You won't change your mind. I won't change mine.
  11. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    Perhaps some of you misconstrued what I'm saying, it might be the tl;dr's fault. CB's are fine to have. Complaining about invalid CBs is pointless as you're not the one who's declaring the war. This is right, to a point. With the frequent leadership changes alliances often face what one person finds acceptable for a CB can very greatly. Very different leaders might have very different principals on what to go to war over. Then holding them to previous practices and standards makes things a little muddied. Often the aggressor is the victor. Their goal is typically beating the snot out of the other side. However if the defender wins and feel unjustly attacked that's where you often see terms. Thus why I say debating over who's right and wrong in reasons for attacking is pointless because the aggressor wouldn't go to war unless they wanted to in most cases. EDIT: One thing however, lying about what your CB is, is a whole other matter. Trying to bullshit people to think your smashing someone that you just want to smash for some higher reason is a different mess.
  12. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    Valid CB.
  13. Prefontaine

    Orbis, let's have a chat.

    I'd like to start by saying this is not directed specifically at current events, but a trend that current events are an example off. Often times the side who is on the defensive end of a war having been attacked inevitably bring up arguments about a "valid CB". To the credit of most participants in the current war it's not as prevalent this time though there have been several comments publicly and others privately made regarding the validity of a the CB used here. I'm not here to argue which side or right, or wrong. I'm here to tell you it does not matter which side is right or wrong. If your alliance is attacked by someone, their reason for it is valid. If their reason was they attacked you for fun, if they attacked you because they had intel you might be plotting against them, if someone insulted you or your alliance. Whatever motivated you and your alliance to go to war is a valid reason for that war. It does not matter if the defensive side considers your reason for war valid in terms of why the war is happening, nor should it be complained about. The only time a valid CB should be considered part of the equation is during the peace negotiations. Should the defensive side pull a victory over their aggressors and they deem their CB as a load of crap, perhaps the peace terms might not be so pleasant. The point is, don't complain that you're being attacked without a valid CB. Just because the reason for the war might not seem like a reason to you, doesn't mean it's not a reason for the attacker. If someone's justification for war is that they believe it might be a good fight, then that is a valid justification for that alliance regardless of if it is for yours. The important thing is to find an alliance who's CB standards matches with yours. If you feel you need a detailed provocation, then find an alliance who follows that general rule. If you want a more relaxed fun based reason for going to war, find an alliance that follows that rule. Good and evil are perspective, validity of CB's are the same. Lots of people, myself included, are guilty of succumbing to the CB blame game. But lets focus less on the reason for the war being valid or not, and focus on generating politics based off the wars. tl;dr CBs are bullshit.
  14. Prefontaine

    With war comes memes

    >Because the other propaganda thread was far too active thus requiring another one.
  15. Prefontaine

    Propaganda time

    https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=2820 What do I win?

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