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Weren't you the guy that ran away from leadership and the AA right before TEst hit you all? I find the idea of you being the one who "saves" anyone to be.. Well, lackng. I had the pleasure of dealing with Yui during that rough time for Pantheon, and there have been few people to earn my respect quicker than Yui. If anyone is needed to lead Pantheon, it's Yui.

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Wasn't my plan at all, the fact you took a joke on face value is amusing as you should learn Australian's will shit post in discussions. Yes sometimes it may come back to bite us, but I had every intention of merging as I viewed it as the best option for a crumbling Pantheon that was begging to get rolled. You would have to be daft to think we wouldn't consult our membership. We were still hammering out the details at the time of the rather unfortunate leak. The plan for the merge was this: 1: I contacted Felkey about the merge 2 weeks ago we discussed some basics (Current situation of Pantheon, our problems, why I wanted to merge, groundwork for a plan and how it would be successful, etc). 2: Felkey and I introduced it to our respective governments. We discussed amongst ourselves possible gov sets ups (We agreed upon half ex-Pantheon/ half tCW. Then we discussed who to take with us etc) 3: We continued the discussions, until the leak ruined the plans, shut down by the arrival of you and your two ex-TKR co-conspirators buddies. 4: We planned once all details were finalised, our governments would've held a vote. (I know for a fact that Pantheon's government would vote for the merge), not sure about tCW (But I was told that they supported it as well). 5: Once approved by government, we would have brought our plan to the general membership of Pantheon for a vote. If approved by a majority of members we would commence the merge. I envisaged the merge completed within the month, with an AA of 120+ members, combined with the experience of some Pantheon and tCW gov, not only would that outrank TKR in score, but we would also be in a much better situation for Pantheon especially, as we had lost several long term members (Yui, most importantly) so it seemed only natural for Pantheon to merge into tCW. (Also keep in mind we already had several members in tCW, who had left in the months before, that only adds to the case that the merge seemed to be the right choice for us.) So yes Fist you were once leader of Pantheon. But you left many years ago, leaving us hanging during war. I would have wanted to stay in Pantheon, as I spent 2 years in this alliance. But I and many others recognised that things weren't working. A merge was a fresh start, a new beginning for us. But alas it was destroyed by people who may have thought they were valiant defenders of Pantheon against a supposed 'tyrannical' government. When in fact it was they themselves who were the tyrants, removing people who served in government for months, (myself including) and who before this incident had unshakable loyalty to the membership of Pantheon. I don't know what you've been telling the remnants of Pantheon, but for me to receive messages from people who I helped grow, through our finance programs. That I couped Pantheon and was a saboteur, quite honestly pisses me off. When you were the leader of Pantheon you used IRC, you didn't make the Discord server. For you to use the creation of Yui and others hard word to turn around and slander the deposed rightfully legitimate government of Pantheon is a low act. So yes I nuked the Discord and left it barren apart from the general chat. Not least because I didn't want my work to go to people slandering me. But more importantly I didn't want my friends work to be used in slandering them. I did it on behalf of others. So no Fist we didn't screw you over or coup anybody, you did. A great opportunity for Pantheon was thrown away because of someones arrogant pride, to echo the words of Vince McMahon, "Fist screwed Fist"

Glad to see the guy who as leader, abandoned Pantheon at war is back to save the day. Order of business: 1. Change charter, take ultimate power. 2: Remove majority of government. 3: Attack, plot and shame former Pantheon leaders and members who helped repair Pantheon after you abandoned them the first time. 4: Actively plot against TCW and get leaked. 5: Treaty IQ?

No one can read your logs, mate.

Looks just like more unproven slander against someone like cakey. You have literally no business in Pantheon for months and then you come back and accuse cakey of being involved in a plot. Your new head of FA lies about Yui and calls her a terrorist and traitor and you "recognize her contributions". You abandoned Pantheon and she saved Pantheon's ass. You let RightHonorable post these things in your alliance and one of your members has made it possible for everyone to see that. You're responsible for his actions and don't condemn what he did or what he said. You're complicit in this and it shows what kind of person you are. It's also nice to see that @RightHonorable seems to be able to upvote your post but is not able to say something about the crap he has posted in your alliance.

As an outsider with a genuine question... @The God Emperor of Mankind, I’m noticing you dodge the comments about you ghosting Pantheon and how Yui had to step up to carry YOUR abandoned alliance through a war during your first tenure. If I were a longtime Pantheon member, I’d want to know how it is you deemed yourself the savior when you went AWOL as leader. How are you expecting to retain membership when you can’t necessarily be trusted to lead through difficult times? I’m sure your heart is in the right place but this seems like asking an arsonist for a water hose. Pantheon has been in trouble for awhile. If you wanted to be Superman, you’re a day later and a dollar short.

I've heard quite a bit from both sides, and I think it's important to note that there is a distinction you're not making here; those aforementioned "former Panth gov" nations were not members of TCW at the time, and there is no evidence of collusion on the part of tCW gov with regards to the bank heist or the deletion of discord channels. While I don't find those two's actions legitimately grounded nor condone them, so far, Pantheon's former government hasn't conveniently left out any information and hasn't publicly slandered Pantheon's (current) government; I think it's pretty easy to see where the lies are sitting. You and your government, on the other hand, have repeatedly lied to myself and the Orbis community as a whole, conveniently left out the part where Felkey returned what he(?) could, falsely assumed - and declared - that tCW was behind the personally motivated actions of some former Pantheon gov members, and constructed slanderous lies designed to undermine Yui, which, frankly, paints yourself in a bad light. Regardless of whether you personally did these things or your government did; you're all part of one team, and I don't think anyone should - or will - be trusting you guys for a while after this. By the way, couldn't you have given us more contextual screenshots concerning the gov chat, and better screenshots concerning the felkey-jeric chat?

>mfw snek is bad at meme arrows I actually didn't read all of that, honestly, but I'm glad to see that you haven't deter my original statements on the matter. Which Pantheon gov requested this again? You did pick a side, in a sense. Remember back when Mensa chose to support VE's coup? We did that intentionally, if you remember, because VE had initially planned to betray Syndicate. Still, we chose a side in that coup. Somewhat similar to what's going on now. You're backing a government that was just recently instated and had promptly removed any previous members of government. While you do have one good point in that mess, about people moving to tCW and/or remaining in Pantheon, it's not as a "grey area" as you claim it to be. Players always have a choice of what alliance they want to be a part of, coup or not. In that case, protecting Pantheon isn't necessarily doing them a favor in the way you're portraying it to be, it's more or less ensuring the new gov that performed a violent takeover has more time to solidify their positioning. And we all know, from history sake, how Protectorate ties go with Syndicate - though that's beside the point. This isn't from a bad voting occurrence, or a bank robbery, this is literally someone returning to Pantheon after sitting in TKR for 6+ months, managing to wiggle his way up to the top, then kicking/banning people that could get in the way of him taking over. The original government of Pantheon that came from after Fist abandoned them decided to go with a merger agreement with tCW and Felkey. If Fist had any inclination of returning to Pantheon, he should've done so beforehand instead of capitalizing on this (Odd how you want to protect them during instability, but... he's literally the source of it). And I'm firmly aware that Felkey likes Syndicate, so you may be able to sweet talk him into accepting the current method of handling here, but I'm calling it as it is - it's bullshit. That is literally the new gov you're protecting there. You're welcome snek, I did something for you that you failed to see.

"Pantheon is back in the game" When was Pantheon ever in the game??

Why just watch one train wreck when you can watch two?

Glad to see this happen!

Is this where we decide if we're team #TCW or #Pantheon ? @Thalmor I blame you for this, you ODP both alliances and once cancelled look what happened. Clearly a evil FA mastermind just pretending to be an idiot.

Hit tcw and we’ll see what happens

Since these are basically unreadable how about I just tell them what was in those logs? After you took information I shared with you in confidence (about the merger) given you were one of pantheon's founders and took over the government, you changed the charter without discussion to give yourself supreme control. You then stripped existing gov of their perms in game... Except one. I went to that one person to ask them to appoint themself as leader in game and remove you so that the situation could be sorted out without this insanity. They initially refused, but after another day of watching you disgrace Pantheon they left and took the bank. I have been very open with our allies about this, so it's not like it's anything new to them. I took a shot to stop a hostile take over of the alliance I started put in. An alliance I had many friends in, including many who came over to TCW.  Edit: you also forgot to mention I did return the portion of the bank I had access to, despite having no pressing reason to, beyond it being the right thing to do.

Oh no, did Pantheon leak that part of the plan too? Aw shucks, guess NPO and BK will just have to make the MDPs secret.

Finally something that isn't Pantheon related.

So you don't deny taking advantage of privileged information for personal gain and rewriting the charter without discussion or input, thank you, it is very interesting.

I already explained what happened

It is incredibly bizarre to me to see not only the current Pantheon government accusing their founding members of treason but also for their like of anime. As a TKR member and ally of them they always were big weebs. How dare you attack the heritage and origins of the alliance like this, also I pose this question: How did a newb member of TKR gov Right Honourable get a gov position instantly in this alliance? The names in Pantheon gov are strange to me and are not reminiscent of the alliance leadership in its heyday. There is some important self reflection and identity searching required for the alliance if it is to continue on beyond a parody that merely shares the name of the whale tier anime alliance. Also i concur yui is a nice person and as someone in an alliance with gov formerly of Pantheon (Shiho) this is sick and therefore deviant. We do not want this.

@Yui - It has to be done.

This is on pace to be more entertaining then TVE versus VE. Good job everyone.

Could both of you please take this ridiculous conversation no one but yourselves care about, elsewhere? There's a variety of places you can discuss without becoming Acolyte's to Who Me's forum derailment practices.

Now, this is a derail I can get on board with! down with Smiff

To be fair 6 months is a long time and gives a lot of chances for it to come up

Yessss… Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...… Argue and bicker amongst yourselves, while you blame each other for the NAP, the true threat watches with amusement, and grows with strength. First six months of peace... then the... fall... of Pantheon.... then the next step in the....plaaaaaaaaaan…...

https://imgur.com/Dh1SJ27

Trying to target yui, arguably the most beloved person in this game, smart move.

And just when you thought they had finished suffering.

Pantheon government be like: But wait? What if there's more to the story? Shifty explores post-Purple Ba'athist state Pantheon and reveals the plot to radicalize Pantheon locals against freedom.

Is this just a department of IQ or an actual Bloc/Sphere?

Well, even if people were not too amused by fist deleting, I don't think you should blame people for covering him and not blowing it up for the drama. Because you know, even if Yui certainly could have brought up a narrative blaming it all on fist, she was busy fixing the place with a new government and didn't need that kind of distraction. It's what makes it all the worse that now someone decided to return and just blame it on her that Pantheon went to shit, even though she handed over government months ago after being a uniting figure for years.

You deleted at the start of the war for the good of Pantheon? I mean, you deleted after committing us to a war and while you were in charge of coordination. You did jack shit to keep any backup or to make sure the place would have anything to go by. If it wasn't for Yui, the people who stepped up and the help we received back then from t$, we'd have been beaten up even worse than we were and yet you are coming in as if you could save Pantheon and your government slanders Yui, who has kept the place together for so long. And I think pretty much anyone with a brain doesn't need to let you mess around once more to judge your performance, because you should've burned your chance the first time around. So, when are you going to delete again and go back to the garbage bin of Orbis' history where you belong?

I liked the old Vanguard better. Had more k-pop.

I have to say, Pantheon can disappear for all I care, it has been a dead alliance for quite a while now but Yui is one of the most liked and respected people in this silly assed game so slandering her is not going to earn you any kind of goodwill with most of Orbis. So good luck getting anyone to believe anything you say after that incredibly stupid faux pas.

I'm still waiting on someone making The Pantheon

Man that got confusing when your reply looked like it was part of the definition of coup.

I don't often post on the OWF, but today I feel compelled to. I do not know Sphinx or Cakey very well, but Purplemoon is my friend and what I am reading here about her makes my blood boil. This smear campaign is a disgusting display of why name and content do not always match. RightHonourable is neither right nor honourable. That the new Pantheon gov would willfully spread lies to damage those whose existence they deemed inconvenient while simultaneously claiming their lies to be the truth is of a morality so low, I can barely see it anymore. Purple is unbelievably nice and sincere. I feel that I cannot keep up with her on that. Once, Pantheon was supposed to become my home if I ever left TUE or if TUE failed. Thankfully it hasn't yet come to that, because Pantheon is no longer my home-to-be. Purple being present and active in a place is a seal of approval for that place for me. Where she is, friendliness reigns and I need no other indication for that. I have seen a lot of scummy behavior in this game, but only this managed to enrage me enough to reply. Shame on all those who have instigated this smear campaign. I hope you're happy now, in the ruins of the gods of Greece.

To clarify something regard TCW-t$, I have been speaking to Chaunce since this incident began and he believed that the government members who came to TCW should be allowed to make their case directly to the members who stayed behind, whether that be on discord or via in game PM. As such, he has had no problems with them contacting members to share our side of the story and convincing other members to come to TCW. As far as I am aware their protection is entirely there to prevent someone from taking advantage of this situation for an easy rolling as they have not interfered with our ability to get our story out there and have even encouraged it.

I think those who've read the t$ statements know that isn't true, but I'm more interested in the next part. t$ has insulted TGH? Are you trying to bring the Parti-Buor NAP argument into this thread as well? ARE YOU MAD?! Haha, I don't think the readers would appreciate that. One major back and forth in the other thread seems to me to be enough.

I don't think anyone is going to stop you or step up to you that's directly affected by this. You've managed to effectively hide behind the Syndicate protection to do as you wish. Overall it's pointless for anyone to even continue arguing about it.

Still no comment about being in Pantheon for two days and slandering its former leader with lies you have pulled out of your behind? I can understand that. Based on the reactions here you must've realized that any nonsense excuse you could come up with will not be believed by anybody anyway.

It's not even that. I'm just 50 steps ahead of the game. My actions may not make sense in the present, but those who are prudent and that pay attention will be able to make the connections.

You seem awfully salty, to be calling a top 15 alliance that recently fought in a global war and performed exceptionally well in it, 'irrelevant'. Are you, by chance, a former veteran of Nuke Bloc? That would explain alot here for me, it really would.

Since these are basically unreadable how about I just tell them what was in those logs? After you took information I shared with you in confidence (about the merger) given you were one of pantheon's founders and took over the government, you changed the charter without discussion to give yourself supreme control. You then stripped existing gov of their perms in game... Except one. I went to that one person to ask them to appoint themself as leader in game and remove you so that the situation could be sorted out without this insanity. They initially refused, but after another day of watching you disgrace Pantheon they left and took the bank. I have been very open with our allies about this, so it's not like it's anything new to them. I took a shot to stop a hostile take over of the alliance I started put in. An alliance I had many friends in, including many who came over to TCW. Edit: you also forgot to mention I did return the portion of the bank I had access to, despite having no pressing reason to, beyond it being the right thing to do.

It is nice to see some of the more consistently loyal members of Pantheon chime in. Not to say that fist and RightHonorable aren't necessarily loyal to Pantheon, in some manner, more that they haven't actually been present to experience the events and context leading up to recent decisions.

We couped pantheon so we could put a puppet leader in place. Then once we had him in place we made sure he created tension between Pantheon and TKR's only MDP treaty partner. Once this was succesfully accomplished we decided to have them ally t$ rather than sign a treaty with us. Why you ask? Because it is dynamic.