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Thanks for the clarification. So basically his reply was worthless.

Oh, I also forgot to note. Go back and re-read that particular "worst precedent". You didn't have to follow it. I think 2 alliances opted out of it. There was a choice. Nor does a NAP really stop alliances from attacking each other. It's just text, there's no grand alliance that upholds NAPs and punishes people from breaking them.

Someone had to take the bullet to allow the game to restore itself after several months of non-stop warfare which alienated most of the players of that time. The community took a huge dip in activity, there was a ton of rebuilding to do, and even then - a lot of players continued to leave the game. That "worst precedent" was meant to be a reset to the game. With one side of the war almost completely gone, it allowed the alliances and players that remained to rebuild after. You can !@#$ about it all you want, but you're still here, there's new faces around here leading since that time, and there's new alliances and new political schemes going on. Get the [email protected]#$ out of here with your bullshit "worst precedent" crap. You can go through my history and see my various stances on NAPs. You can also talk to many of the leaders of that time and ask them what was my opinion. I'm pretty sure most would say I was against NAPs, or preferred short ones (Like 2mos, tops). The 6mo NAP after that war was necessary. Not my damn fault if you chose to follow or allow other newer leaders to followup on that precedent. (And if anybody is crying about a 6mo NAP after that hell of a war, you're a !@#$.)

So, why are NAPs bad again? Within moderation, they're fine. Plus they require all parties of a war to honor their word, which to some people - carries some weight. When it comes down to it though, nothing really stops you from breaking a NAP. (Sidenote: I'm indifferent to NAPs nowadays as I think about it, there's pros and cons to them.)

Part of me is like, “Who are these people talking about the history?” The other part, “Sweet, new faces. This is what was needed.”

Attention whoring at its finest! (You’re not kidding btw)

It's threads like this that make me want to come back. I love a good argument over pixel burning.

Exactly what Chaos and KETOGG did. I agree wholeheartedly with this. EDIT: To those stating that minispheres couldn't work. No matter what "system" you guys put into place, none of it will work according to your expectations. Every alliance paperless? You'll still get alliances working together. Minispheres? You'll still get multiple spheres working together. One [email protected]#$yuge treaty web? You'll still get alliances working together, even if they're tied up by their third cousin and working against/for each other. (Example would be Syndisphere back in the day, how @Prefonteen managed to wrangle up various support at odd times) The idea of paperless alliances (Like @Roberts is wanting) and minispheres (Where only a small cluster of alliances are tied together in their own little corner of the world) is the perception of flexibility - just like what @Sweeeeet Ronny D said in the quote. EDIT #2: @Cooper_ - TKR benefited from KETOGG turning and helping Chaos out. If we practiced what you preached, Chaos would've been burned to the ground and TKR would be forced into... whatever the hell NPO and BK wanted out of your alliance. You'd fight, but they wouldn't relent.

This is also false. For two things. I've been a major figure in politics for a longer period than a year, but I refused to follow the same path as them. When I was in Mensa and Syndicate, yeah, you're right. After those times? No. I was, and still am, a firm advocate for mini spheres. Keep in mind, mini spheres is pretty much what you're advocating, but you're just wanting more separation of paper. Nothing will stop a dogpile outside of proper FA and not doing stupid shit. Chaos and 'TEst, Arrgh, Roz Wei' grouping way back when Papers, Please happened. Outside of KETOGG that is.

I'm personally always wishy-washy on NAPs. I hate long ones, but shorter ones (3mos or less) are fine imo. I'd be hypocritical though considering I pretty much heavily emphasized for a long one after that stupidity with NPO and Friends. The only real reason why I did so was to allow players and alliances to readjust to things and figure out what they wanted to do moving on. Plus there was just way too much damage done in all areas of the game. And as a side note, there were some actual game changes coming up that I was hoping would improve the game once the NAP ended.

"My style" wasn't done for years. Only one other group attempted to go along with what I envisioned. EDIT: I take that back. 2 technically attempted it, but it wasn't "my style" when the other group attempted it.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. I think you're putting far too much simple thought into the whole "voting with your feet". It's not necessarily telling players to leave if they don't like it, it's moreso players will leave on their own if they don't like the direction the alliance is going. But there's far more complexities here. @Prefonteen is simply pointing out that "voting with your feet" is the final decision of a player. There's many other options out there, but what keeps things in check for alliances is simply that statement. When all other options fails, people will leave and leadership can crumble from a severe player migration. There was a show I did that talked a bit on this, where leaders needed to reach out and listen to their members, otherwise they'll simply leave and find a home elsewhere. Simply put, democracies and leadership growth happen one way or another. There's no penalty for players to leave their alliances and join others, unlike in real life where it can potentially be a life or death situation.

I may try my damnest to make it to this. If only to reminiscence over the good times.

Cancer sucks, I know. Spend time with your close relative as much as you can. I wish I did with my best friend. You'll still linger around in Orbis. Your friends here won't forget you.

inre Kastor: Honestly, he did pretty well for himself when he invested into this game, but he was often a braggart and got too overconfident. Hence why Oberyn. In some ways, well liked, in some others, not so much. Plus he's constantly brought up even well after he pretty much went into heavy inactivity. He also knows of the history and had ways of getting information. However, as I stated, any one of those 3 I stated could've worked for him in various ways. Entirely dependent on the perspective. As for your Roquentin pick, that's actually a really good one.

My interactions with you, and what I’ve observed, has leaned more towards that characters diplomacy skills. Daenerys is more black and white, whereas Snow is much more flexible and tactful.

Time to drop the big dick bud. EDIT: Are we trying to match genders on the roles? If not, I see Adrienne more of a Jon Stark than Daenarys, maybe Ygritte if I had to pick a female character for her. I wouldn't even say Roquentin should be Night King either, I can't remember the dude's name but the dick-ish guy calling for permarolling/war till one side surrendered unconditionally who was always clinging around Roq would be that. Kinda leaning on Roq being Petyr Baelish. Mostly because he could be likable, but trustworthy? Eh. Not 100% on that pick though. Kastor wouldn't be Robb Stark, I see him more of a Oberyn Martell, Daario Naharis, or Ramsay Bolton (However you feel about him). Memph would be Eddard Stark. Impero would be Tywin Lannistar. If I had to dig through history of PnW. I'd have to think on this.

This can be taken in a few ways, and it's disturbing.

Ok, that was pretty good.

Lost my best friend to cancer at the age of 34. Lost another to COVID-19 this year. Having to battle both? That person must've been a beast. Condolences to your community and his family.

Oh. Hey. More Phoenyx attention.

Anyone else chuckled at seeing Guilo educate DtC, and being correct?

If this is going to be an actual war recognition, I’m going to have our side push for punitive terms due to your asshats actions.

Oh snap. I’m in.

>NPO icwutudidthar