ArcKnox Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: I see. DB seems to think different. https://imgur.com/a/Sevipss Edit: someone who's better at embedding things on this dumb forum feel free to do a brother a solid here. Edited August 10, 2019 by ArcKnox 3 Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygon Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldma Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) ~edit: Someone beat me to it, alas. Edited August 10, 2019 by Feldma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Morningstar Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Ulfric Stormcloak wants to know your location Listen lads good luck rolling DB, someone had to at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: I see. DB seems to think different. https://imgur.com/a/Sevipss Edit: someone who's better at embedding things on this dumb forum feel free to do a brother a solid here. I guess we have a few leaks we've got to deal with ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Just now, Feldma said: ~edit: Someone beat me to it, alas. Still appreciated! Congrats on your first post being you being more capable than someone who's used this forum for literal years. 2 Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Cypher said: I guess we have a few leaks we've got to deal with ?♂️ Dude, that’s literally the leader of DB. That’s not a leak lol. May I consider this a concession of your previous statement that NPO did not know? Just curious. Edited August 10, 2019 by Dio Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, Cypher said: Stop trying to spin this into some anti IQ propaganda. NPO had no knowledge of us attacking DB. I don't want to distract from whats going on here too much but it makes me smile that you refer to them as IQ too 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 NPO does still have an ODP with them; so interesting move at least & unexpected target. Although don't have much an opinion on Dark Brotherhood, but maybe I will after this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Smith said: I don't want to distract from whats going on here too much but it makes me smile that you refer to them as IQ too @Smith, you make me smile ❤️. #1 Vegan Mentor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I'll give it 2 months (Surprise me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/4/2019 at 2:32 AM, Yoda said: Our entry in the Knightfall war was optional. I chose to assist when Partisan asked us for help. Admittedly we considered leaving Knightfall earlier but the decision was made to stay till the end after talking to some people. TKR was extremely persistent and nuked us till the very last day of Knightfall. It certainly did not "end quickly" As for the current war, I originally wanted to assist CoA with their front but three high gov members were on vacation overseas so the plan had to be shelved. Some of my gov members are teenagers; I can't expect their parents to leave them alone at home to fight a war in a browser game while the rest of the family goes on a family vacation. I look forward to your excuse this time @Yoda 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roquentin Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spaceman Thrax said: I see. DB seems to think different. https://imgur.com/a/Sevipss Edit: someone who's better at embedding things on this dumb forum feel free to do a brother a solid here. Given he's still asking me for advice, I don't think he really realized the implications of how you'd deploy that particular convo. All it says he told me he thought they'd hit him and I didn't want to go out of my way to intervene last minute. He in-game pmed last night when I hadn't been on discord much this week due to some unfortunate events that shifted my focus away saying there was suspicious activity from House Karstark. I informed why I wouldn't be spending time trying to stop it last minute and blueballs people because I didn't have the energy for it and it seemed to be manageable if they tried to fight back. He wasn't sure they'd hit so if someone in there tipped him off it would happen for sure then that's different but it wasn't how it was framed. I originally was going to let it expire 3 weeks ago and it was extended for the month with the understanding that if they were hit while the global was ongoing, we wouldn't be intervening. Since it seemed that condition was still ambiguous it was shifted to ODP earlier to day to reflect its true nature. Given it's known by most people how many times people have gotten blueballsed over us protecting DB, including when we unknowingly blueballsed people when we signed it originally, when we delayed cancelling when others were expecting it, and other instances in the hope they'd be able to disprove critics at some point, it was just kind of hard to avoid such an outcome . There wasn't really a way we could continue shielding them and while burning any residual good will and blueballsing people when some bloodletting has been expected. This basically just seems a replay of another situation where a bunch of people disliked an alliance(and had previously demanded to roll it) but tried to make it into a sympathy case based on it being PR fodder vs another unpopular alliance. Edited August 10, 2019 by Roquentin 3 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Cypher said: I guess we have a few leaks we've got to deal with ?♂️ I mean, Cypher's reply here pretty much confirmed it~ Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) i like how roq acts like it takes a lot of effort to say “hey you’re my ally and you’re attacking an alliance i have a treaty with so if you wouldnt attack them id appreciate it” there are so many people here who would go to great lengths to support and aid their ally and you’ve basically confirmed DB wasnt worth it not that i didnt want to see DB burn, but it’s interesting not only that but if you know you arent active enough to handle the situation that’s kind of like...why gov exists? lmao enjoy the war DB, ive wanted to see your pixels burn for a while, but all this tomfoolery has kinda ruined it for me Edited August 10, 2019 by hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Roquentin said: Gibberish Your ally was planning to hit your other ally, and your response to them asking your help was to change the treaty to an ODP. 1 Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roquentin Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, hope said: i like how roq acts like it takes a lot of effort to say “hey you’re my ally and you’re attacking an alliance i have a treaty with so if you wouldnt attack them id appreciate it” there are so many people here who would go to great lengths to support and aid their ally and you’ve basically confirmed DB wasnt worth it not that i didnt want to see DB burn, but it’s interesting not only that but if you know you arent active enough to handle the situation that’s kind of like...why gov exists? lmao enjoy the war DB, ive wanted to see your pixels burn for a while, but all this tomfoolery has kinda ruined it for me That would make sense if it wasn't stopping another hit on DB last minute which we've done so many times. I've gone above and beyond what anyone else would have done for DB by this point. It was a source of exasperation for many people as to why we kept doing it. This revisionist history where you're saying we should have gone out our way when it'd just come up again and again. Nevermind the recent topic where DB was singled out. He wanted to go through me since he had asked the other people first and they didn't seem to be able to confirm what he was worried about. Nice spin though. 55 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Your ally was planning to hit your other ally, and your response to them asking your help was to change the treaty to an ODP. I listed various instances of me bailing DB out. They were informed 3 weeks ago that it was functionally an ODP and if they attracted negative attention during the global based on not fighting, then it was beyond the scope of what we were willing to do. The treaty was supposed to be upgraded a long time ago per certain metrics, and then they didn't want to participate in the war due to lack of availability. The lack of availability was an issue during the school year as well. They didn't fight back against Terminal Jest and felt we had failed them by not taking Partisan down right away, so I felt we didn't have the capability to do everything for them they wanted and that was made clear when it was coming up for expiration. At that point, it just solidified a war dodging reputation and I couldn't justify intervening in every instance last minute. 96 hours ago: People criticize us for shielding DB Now: People criticize us for not shielding DB Edited August 10, 2019 by Roquentin 2 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Your ally was planning to hit your other ally, and your response to them asking your help was to change the treaty to an ODP. Sometimes you just have to have some conflict! if you carry your childhood with you, you never become older Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 Pixelhugging always ends the same way. The longer you dodge war the more fragile your alliance will be when the time comes to face the music. I suspect this lesson has come too late. 1 hour ago, Roquentin said: That would make sense if it wasn't stopping another hit on DB last minute which we've done so many times. I've gone above and beyond what anyone else would have done for DB by this point. It was a source of exasperation for many people as to why we kept doing it. This revisionist history where you're saying we should have gone out our way when it'd just come up again and again. Nevermind the recent topic where DB was singled out. He wanted to go through me since he had asked the other people first and they didn't seem to be able to confirm what he was worried about. Nice spin though. I listed various instances of me bailing DB out. They were informed 3 weeks ago that it was functionally an ODP and if they attracted negative attention during the global based on not fighting, then it was beyond the scope of what we were willing to do. The treaty was supposed to be upgraded a long time ago per certain metrics, and then they didn't want to participate in the war due to lack of availability. The lack of availability was an issue during the school year as well. They didn't fight back against Terminal Jest and felt we had failed them by not taking Partisan down right away, so I felt we didn't have the capability to do everything for them they wanted and that was made clear when it was coming up for expiration. At that point, it just solidified a war dodging reputation and I couldn't justify intervening in every instance last minute. 96 hours ago: People criticize us for shielding DB Now: People criticize us for not shielding DB To be fair I don't think its the same people. DB is large enough now that they should be in a position to defend themselves. If they can't then no one else is responsible for that but DB. This just further proves that protectorates enable alliances to avoid ever reaching their full potential and that people should drop them more liberally when they prove unproductive. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Honestly i feel all this rousing of new propaganda and snipe sat NPO over its actions with DB would be closer to the bad PR it's being framed as if this had been to done to any alliance other than DB. But because it was DB, and because they totally 100% deserve it, and could totally 100% win if they don't pull a TFP and lose half their alliance within a day. Sure, i'll bookmark the considerations behind such behavior as a minor footnote to glance at from time to time, but ultimately it's not much more than that. DB of all people have no right to complain about being left hung to dry. And i can't honestly see anybody else here having handled it differently. I, as i am sure you do, prefer allies who can and will fight. If you're treatied with DB, the only way to see it happen is if they get expanded to in a global or if you downgrade or otherwise let it happen. It may be callous and a bit cruel, but at the end of the day i fail to see who this doesn't benefit. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) In February this year, Hilmes told me that t$ will never hit us. I suppose things change when new people take over the reins. When Jessica Rabbit quit the game, she told me "Please keep an eye on t$ for me. They're loyal, and they need friends like you". Jess would be sad if she knows what's happening now. I miss the old t$ leaders and they are much more pleasant to work with Edited August 10, 2019 by Yoda wrong word 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avakael Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Yoda said: In February this year, Hilmes told me that t$ will never hit us. I suppose things change when new people take over the reigns. When Jessica Rabbit quit the game, she told me "Please keep an eye on t$ for me. They're loyal, and they need friends like you". Jess would be sad if she knows what's happening now. I miss the old t$ leaders and they are much more pleasant to work with Hey now, we're not t$. We are Pentawotsit Oculus Rift. In the name of the Emperor, you're under arrest. Also, at this particular moment, approaching t$ with a screenshot of something Hilmes said to you is probably just going to result in giggling. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Royalist Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Cypher said: I guess we have a few leaks we've got to deal with ?♂️ Yea, at least you didn't leak your target list this time. 2 aka Filip, The Royalist or Tremor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avakael Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 As for DB, I believe there must be some redeeming qualities of the alliance; they're not poor or dumb about econ stuff. They're definitely not inactive, they're not absent of IA effort. The people who are fighting back right now are fighting well. They're here because their leaders appear to have drastically underestimated their own people, and that's kind of sad. That said, they're not going to win this war without outside help. There were 21 nations in DB on our target sheet, representing the entirety of their alliance above 16 cities, mostly at 20+, and mostly militarised; there were probably 22 or 23 of us who showed up for the first strike. We launched 51 wars in 120 seconds and successfully brought down every single one of those nations. Full credit to our legionnaires, they did an outstanding job. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Serves DB right for sending assassins after me on numerous occasions, and for stealing my sweet roll. :V Good luck PO in your fight, and good luck DB hopefully you can use this war to bounce back from, learn some hard lessons and have a stronger presence in FA in the future rather than just clinging to a Prot for safety. 2 hours ago, Akuryo said: It may be callous and a bit cruel, but at the end of the day i fail to see who this doesn't benefit. Nah mate, its just speaking the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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