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Lordaeron hereby declares their public support for Noctis, as fellow forums shit posters we understand how unforgiving @Lucifer Morningstar can be with his continues attacks and attempts to get people to down vote you. For too long honorable and relevant posters who could help teach Orbis the ways have been relentlessly attacked, lets bring this tyrant to a end. TL;DR: Noctis for Most Hated Poster 2018 #FreeOrbis #JoinTheMovement

TGH Supports the princess in her attempts to gain the attention of male suitors. But don't even bother if your dowry offers are weak.

You need to get your priorities strait. I dropped out in order to advance my political career. Sure, I get the odd glare from my mother when I have to leave the basement for food, but the karma makes it all worth it. Chicks dig it too. Pitty they're too intimidated by my nationsim prowess to approach me. Such is the price of Fame.

There’s too much goodness in this thread to be on the forums.

Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from this thread. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fricking frick is he still posting? This can't be happening. I'm having a fricking breakdown. I don't want to believe the forum is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Noctis to be banned and fix this broken forum. I cannot fricking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought he was getting so many downvotes on the forums???? This is so fricked.

You let her get the high ground didn't you?

>When you're in TKR sphere and run out of relatives to use as VM excuses

All nations who were members of TFP when we attacked are fair game for our coalition until a peace with TFP is reached. Us informing you that a nation in your alliance is a TFP war dodger is simply a courtesy. Any and all nations who attempt to help protect a TFP war dodger will be countered by the coalition at large. Thank you for your time, have a wonderful new year.

>Community continuously shits on Democracy in-game >Trusts democracy to tell them who to like/worship in this game >Gets angry when the results don't match what's on their mind and demands another vote

Why does every topic devolve into a debate about Noctis' downvotes?

You guys care wayyyy too much about this dumb as frick popularity contest. They are meaningless and not actually reflective of the truth. Who cares about transparency or where the vote is taken place. Do good = not win BK wants you to win = win period. To add, those complaining maybe next year you can do the awards. I can imagine the tedious work it is setting this up, looking through the nominations and such. This year they tried something different with a big reveal of who BK wanted to win instead of us already knowing by watching BK slowly knock out other nominations. If you got a big problem then take some time out of your day and do the awards instead of the current team taking what I assume hours of their day to do this for the community since others didn't step up.

CN died because of crappy mechanics that weren't fixed, but your point still stands. I want these hosted on either the forums or in-game, and I would still object if next year it was the exact same thing except for Alex being the one to give out the link, but even that would be better than how it's being conducted now. As for the radio show, no one is objecting to it specifically. We just don't want the entire process to be contrived around announcing the winners on a radio show with a complete disregard for any other concerns, which is what's being done now. Independent of it being used as a justification for this whole poorly conceived process, I think a radio show about the awards is a great idea. It's almost like it's not a political issue and we're complaining because we care about the community, not just our own alliance. Yes. The default option shouldn't be having to use a VPN to conceal your IP from a dubiously trustworthy third party, it should be hosting the awards on the politicsandwar.com domain. We started asking you two months ago, the day you posted your awards announcement. It's not our fault you didn't listen. And we only found out about Dynamic's site after the awards started. That's not us moving the bar, that's us reacting as new information comes to light. You hosted the vote on the forums before, which meant no one had to "do the votes right". The forums did them for you. We told you to do them on the forums as they've been done in the past because we feel that is the way to do the votes right. It's almost as if the way you conduct community events matters as much as the attendance. No. There were six posts on the first page of your announcement thread telling you to host the votes on the forums, all made less than 24 hours after you posted it. And these concerns weren't unreasonable given the reactions to last year's awards votes. The common thread in our complaints has been transparency and using official PW spaces (like the official forums) rather than third party sites. This is no different. And, to repeat, we're not moving the bar if we complain about things as we find out about them. Perhaps the underlying issue is that you prioritize your plans over doing the awards in a reasonable way.

I mean, NPO is right, doing this shit offsite is stupid. Also, apparently the trust and safety team can't even collect nominations properly and missed a whole bunch of them, so idk why I'd trust them at all. The nominations are on the forums... anyone could just make a poll (hint hint nudge nudge)

I give zero !@#$ about whatever you're going on about, I'm just here to rage about pings.

Purple Flower Garden was once a dream in the mind of a certain Purplemoon-Yui. She carried this dream with her for many years. Much later, she met a certain Cupcake and told the Cupcake of her dream. Others before had said the dream was silly but Cupcake didn't. Eventually, the time seemed right to try to make the dream happen. Purpley travel a long way to make Purple Flower Garden and once the place was chosen, she invited Cupcake to join her. Today, they have been there for one whole year. The Two Dorky Weebs (as one supporter affectionately named us) would like to invite you to celebrate with them. To get an idea of what would and should be at the party, we got some ideas from others: (Disclaimer, if we visited you to get ideas and you aren't mentioned here, or if we didn't drop by this time, we apologise... we were a little high on icing sugar the last few weeks). Everyone is invited! You'll see there's a definite theme... Ellie is ready! Some guests had very specific ideas ~ (Thraxy might not know it yet but he'll be leading the marching song!). Bring your stuffed animals too! Work in progress: Anyone offering to help with this one? Always. ------ Thank you for being with us today and to all our friends for supporting our dream.

Oh wait that’s your downvote number

Thank you for enlightening my black corrupted heart @Yui

Dude, just stop. Take a break, it's not working out for you. You're just shoveling down the large hole underneath you.

We're at war with Namic and his guys and yet I found his site to be very easy to use and was pretty impressed with how smoothly run the voting was and Kastor was great with the nominations. @Dynamic To Namic props mate you made a pretty sick voting site. Even if it was tracking IP addresses I wouldn't care what it was storing, if you really want to know stuff about me all you need to do is get to know me and I'll chat away (Within reason) ;,P I tried to be as even and as unbiased in my voting as possible, I voted Leo (Not saying Thanos) for player of the year, and out of all the other categories EMC members only got 4 of my votes, (Myself Yui, Nizam and Cakey). If TFP didn't get rolled I probably would've voted for tCW as worst military.

probably what goes on there, and TFTI

I support this, I’m starting a hashtag with you! #noctismosthated2018/9

Yes. I'm calling you retarded. The mystery has been solved, good work Holmes.

I think it's already well known to most all of your posts are retarded and how many downvotes you have by your name is just a result of that. (I've even been told this by others so it must be true). I find it amusing how blatantly obvious your mental deficiencies are, and how easily you get annoyed.

If its going to be officially endorsed by Alex, then it doesn't matter if they're being paid. This is supposed to represent the entire community, not just the people running the show. Everyone should have an equal voice in these things. If this wasn't the 'official Orbis awards' then I wouldn't care, but Alex endorsed this system, and Kastor is openly disregarding anything that he doesn't personally like. There are plenty of people who could have put this together without letting their ego get in the way of taking in feedback from the community.

I did and my response is the same. You obviously have a grudge and get bent out of shape. It doesn't matter if they tell people to downvote you or not since we all know you'll give us that sweet, sweet reaction. Basically, you are an easy target that isn't aware that they are doing more harm than good for themselves.

This is simply the same vote system which makes no difference to current awards. I would like to see another system with jury with experience and active players who for sure will be biased but they will need to choose a winner together by discussion with each other (group chat at discord or special server for that). Then they would need to give a proper explanation why they choose that person/alliance so each award would be more meaningful.(maybe with adding who was close to win but they chose this person/alliance instead). With this system that would be less awards ofc. To keep only that serious ones which in current system awards are chosen unfair(for example my alliance is the best). Furthermore in current awards, I am pretty sure Most Dynamic Player will be... Dynamic and etc. People mostly vote by their hearts.(because of hate, pride or for jokes, etc.) I would like to see awards opposite to current one which will be more serious only with people who really spent all year in this game being active and up to date with PnW news. But this is probably only my dream I guess that it will never happen. (Sorry for mistakes I don't get use to write such a long text at forum, always trying to keep it short to avoid them or just put picture/gif instead)

Yeah, now we have Inst running the votes. Real upgrade here guys. It always amuses me how childish people get over these awards which mean literally nothing atm. If they had actual meaning, then as discussed we would have a far better method of doing it and people voting with legitimate reasons behind them. I suspect however most of you don't care and just want to be able to get people to spam a result, so you win the award because apparently you're that desperate for recognition. Too bad it changes literally no ones mind about. The only reason I like it is that I get to reflect on a year in the nomination thread, and actually weigh up myself who had a successful/unsuccessful year. To see how much the game has changed etc. Maybe if you guys stopped acting like you were prom queens trying to justify your inflated self-worth with a cheap vote we'd actually get a better kick out of this as a community. Given this community atm I highly doubt it though. /rant

Happy Birthday! I'm still hoping Moon goes postal someday.

So why expose the process to extra security risks? Also there's no disclaimer in the vote message that it isn't part of the game itself/is a link to an external site, which in and of itself is pretty sketchy.

Or they just see the bullcrap for what it is and aren't afraid to call it that. The point of all of this was to allow for a big reveal surprise show for the radio stuff. Here's the problem, the only people who seem to want it are the people running it. Everyone else is seemingly apathetic or against it. Trying to run an event a certain way for the joy of the people running it, rather than the people partaking in it is a failure in the part of the people organizing (see: you all). This whole thing has been beyond miss handled from the get go and I doubt you'll see more than maybe 5 extra listeners to the radio show, cus guess what you run your radio show at a time when very few will stick around to see the big reveal of the awards. If anything people will just wait to see them announced the next day and then !@#$ about how it was rigged (which they would have done even if it was on the forums, just a little less so). So here's what you idiots have done. You've taken a pointless contest that really no one cares much about, because the deserving people/alliances rarely actually win, and there is NO benefit to winning or losing and have turned it into a fustcluck of a headache for the joy of the people running the damn event. Wake the fark up. I couldn't care less about the awards and even I can see how much you guys are screwing this whole thing up. It might've been a good idea in thought but when enough people (on your own side as you've pointed out) started !@#$ing about how it's being done, you might've realized you farked up. But no. You keep chugging along. How you are so oblivious to your own frick ups is beyond me. "HEY GUYS IT'LL BE FUN BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S FUN DOING IT THIS WAY". The thought never crossed your mind that you could actually be wrong.

Nah, I trust Frawley, robots don't have preferences

I promise you that is not the reason you receive downvotes.

Uhh think you missed my point. I was saying "using your premise that it is unfair to exclude people based on having a forums account, why did you only collect nominations from people with a forums account"? You didn't message people in game until after the nominations were done, so now you have a vote that only has partial representation on who people may actually vote for, do you not? I didn't suggest you should change it midway through the vote. I suggested you should have used the same methodology from the start. Which you probably would have thought of, if you had the super-representative pnw brain trust you claimed to. : )

Not really:

What if we had a poll for where the poll should be hosted?

Then he's wrong to have done so. At a minimum he should have posted his approval on the forums, and any offsite voting should have been announced by him in the changelog in-game. The fact that his approval wasn't common knowledge is a problem in itself, and hosting anything official on a domain other than politicsandwar.com is still a pretty sketchy administrative practice. None of this is a coherent reason not to host the polling on politicsandwar.com, none of this is a coherent reason to make the voting less than 100% transparent as its happening, and none of this is a coherent reason to make people who aren't PW staff the face of the voting. Clearly not, or there wouldn't be this many complaints and your dismissals of them would make more sense. It wouldn't matter if it was only NPO members objecting; my point was that it's not and thus your claim that the complaints are coming solely from NPO is baseless. Also, no one here said it was "irrelevant", so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. NPO being excluded was one objection of several, and it wasn't even the first or primary objection.

There were numerous objections from across the community to voting being hosted on an opaque, offsite portal with no oversight from the mods or Alex. At least thirteen people from TKR, BK, NPO, GOB, HS, TCW, Arrgh, TGH, and TI indicated that they would prefer the voting was hosted on the PW forums, that the PW mod team oversaw the voting, or both. The only coherent reason given for hosting them offsite was to make the winners a surprise to be revealed on a radio show. However, as cool as Orbis Weekly and Great Job are, they aren't official representatives of PW. Now the justification has shifted to turnout. First, our complaints aren't about turnout; they're about transparency and the fact that a group players who don't represent PW in any official capacity have hijacked the awards. Second, the solution to low turnout isn't to move the awards offsite, it's to host them on politicsandwar.com. PW has two official sites, neither of which is https://pnwawards.cf/ @Alex needs to either prevent players from appointing themselves in charge of these things, maintain moderator oversight over them, and keep them hosted on an official PW site, or he needs to stop lending them official legitimacy. That means locking this subforum and allowing players to conduct their own annual awards in Orbis Central, on Orbis Weekly's Discord server, or wherever else they choose, without the imprimatur of being sanctioned by PW's staff. Kastor saying there were a bunch of people who objected to the offsite voting who didn't post their objection in the announcement thread ^

Yes, I'm a spoilt brat for asking for transparency. Got it!

And heres whats inherently problematic with the system a) its close door. b) I have to randomly trust individuals over a vote thats for the entire community. c) Theres no transparent manner to actually look at the votes as they come in. If its a community system, the simplest way is to run the forum vote, its far better and the outreach can be done, since its picking a place for people to vote in. I absolutely do not trust a self-appointed board of arbitrators. The only means for the community at large to ensure transparency if its done here, since there are systems of checks and balances. This really isn't me arguing against a new and shiny thing and the obverse to this argument is true, just because theres a new and shiny thing, doesn't make it better. This system is rife with potential misuse when its supposed to represent the community at large, and you nor anyone else on this board were appointed by anyone else other than yourselves. At the end of the day, the only means to ensure the vote is transparent, is here and not on someone else's server, since this deals specifically with voting mechanisms (also why democracy sucks in games!). So no, I'm not against a new and shiny thing, just don't think the old method was broken to introduce a new and shiny thing, let alone something that raises questions to the entire process. I stated this earlier to Kastor when he first posted it up in December on NPO's discord, and I'm stating it again. This new method could be so easily questioned and if its "PnW's" awards, I'd prefer it was held on an official "PnW" forums when it involves voting mechanisms and choices.

#noctismosthated2018/9

Sometimes, I like to click on my profile and just leave it open like a screensaver. It's truly captivating to know this is what perfection looks like.

To aid in city management, especially when you have too many cities, there should be a city template feature. This allows you to save city infra / land / improvement configurations so you can quickly change city state depending on whether you want to go to militarize. As of right now, it takes too long to properly militarize cities once you go over 10 cities, especially if you're seeking to game the score system. This should include a wildcard figure so that you won't necessarily end up adjusting land / infra on cities you don't want to adjust, or end up destroying improvements you would prefer to keep.

Since you gave some effort, I'll give some effort rather than just rambling/trolling. The problem with the "awards" is it's too much about what the people running it want. It started with Kastor, who is one of the worst choices in the pool of people who aren't going to make it shit for the lulz. While I agree with you that having an informed panel is likely your best chance at getting accurate results for each category it's also a shit way to do it. The only real way is to run tandem voting, a panel of informed, and the general panel. Winner and peoples winner for each category. Or even each alliance gets to vote for a #1 #2 #3 and based on some alliance metric their vote carries a certain weight. Not to mention the nomination process is complete rubbish. Alliances that have no earthly right in both good and bad categories are there. People base yearly awards on what happened in the last few months. The process is ruined each year by letting idiots nominate. Enough constructiveness. This is a contest for idiots, run by idiots. I would rather not have my name anywhere on any ballot.

I say give this a shot. See where it goes to. It's one of the few things that's making this interesting. I'll definitely be tuning into the show if I can, to listen in to who won. While people criticize about transparency and "awards don't matter", this is an attempt to fix some of the poorly done stuff from the past. If it goes bad, so what, just chalk it up to another year of badly done awards. If it goes mediocre, then at least we have a foundation to work off of to make it better. If it goes well (That is, if TGH and it's allies wins every award, including knocking TheNG from Worst Leader), then great - let's keep it going as is!~~~ Multiple years we've had spam votes on obvious bias choices. While you cannot remove bias votes completely, we can come up with ideas to limit it if we want to legitimize the awards. ----- Personally I'm all for this idea. I'd like to flesh out the committee over seeing it though, but since it's a group of volunteers - I can't gripe about it. Plus it's the first attempt at this so I'd like to see where they take it. While this is odd, I also appreciate the non-transparency of this to an extent. On one hand, people don't know who's winning. On the other hand, people also don't know who's spam voting what. At the end of 2019 (Or hell, even now), I'd like to see a elected committee to oversee the private voting process and cast in their own votes. Like how the Electoral College does for the US. While at the same time, we hold a public, fully transparent vote for the masses to contribute. Then we can see the differences of it between both the committee and the popular vote, and come to a general consensus. The biggest issue I have with myself recognizing these awards is the fact that the majority of those voting have no idea of "other" votes. There's little to no campaigning or reasoning to who should win what. There's a major difference between say... @Prefontaine and @Thanos arguing who should win what to me and Roqbot #4599 arguing it out. (As in, there are players who are much more knowledgeable about who contributes what compared to others) Other than that, at least the award threads are entertaining to read when the low tide washes out and reveals all the salt left.

I mean I was told to downvote for a funny reaction, it happened, I must continue to downvote for more.

Someone catch that bouquet

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