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A Public Apology To GPC From TDU There has been some bad relations between Golden Phoenix Coalition and The Dixie Union recently, and it is undeniably our (TDU's) fault. We attempted to poach one of their members bank in July, and our FA was annoying to them. Mostly due to the lack of communication, GPC was asked for a treaty an unacceptable number of times. Our issues were nearly escalated to war once again due to our FA. The agreement was we (TDU) would pay GPC a total of 300mil, remove the FA member, and post this apology letter. For obvious reasons I will not be naming names so don't ask.

Nobody: Christian: Posts his favorite gay porn on random forums.

No. No it does not. All wars being the same bland "lol we wanted war" is what makes the community and war more toxic. Because in every instance of war where there is nothing to talk about or argue over, the dialogue on the forums degrades to a combination of stats-related chest thumping, and manufactured semi-OOC drama and/or dumb bullshit that has nothing to do with the game. Why? Because people in these games want drama and entertainment, and they want to be a part of it. When you omit politics from the forums, they'll go looking for their own shit, and it's usually far less polished shit than what you'd have had otherwise. Let roq justify himself. Take down his justification. Go justify your own actions. Find in-game reasons to frick someone up. Do something. Stop being boring.

Nobody: Members of TDU: https://tenor.com/view/wincest-supernatural-j2-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-gif-9979730 edit: alex ur forum sucks i cant even upload a gif

Stop.

Don't you have to sell your improvements to sell down? Having them get blown up saves your improvements, especially when it's exclusively from air. This is a very real reason for keeping the infra. From what I can see the only reason you all would want us to sell our infra is to lessen the damage stat padding going on from it. To which is the point of my post in the stats thread about Yarr not being listed on the stats. We're in neither coalition A or B, and shouldn't be accounted for as such. I suppose you could be hoping we'd sell down and more quickly help engage a lower tier front -- but Yarr is not part of your coalition. Our goal is not to slug it out. We are truly retired. Please note I don't speak for Swagrr. They are their own alliance and I wish them the best in however they carry on during this conflict. Yarr's goal is a swift end to our conflict and a return to our retirement beach hammocks.

It's always good when things like that end well. I'm glad that was resolved with an act of apology, congratulations ^.^

What is this talking about? OP hasnt included any tags so I dont know what this is talking about? Did someone lose their bank again?

Who are you and what's a GPC?

Hang on Roq/Keshav are busy writing five thousand word rebuttals

A mercy board, or something that exists to humiliate folks because of their mistakes/ or just for someone's else's fun is essentially abhorrent imho. It's why when we were in a position to do something about it in Orbis, we did. I do hope it doesn't return in any shape or form in PnW again, but let us see, one can only hope!

I'm in town for a day before leaving again. I've noticed Yarr has been added to the coalition stats. This needs to be corrected. Yarr is not apart of this war. You may create a new war stat page for a separate conflict if you wish or at the very least a separate third front, but we are in no way tied to the current war. Your inclusion of our alliance, against our will, is a clear demonstration of this tool being used in a biased manner. The alliances in charge of this stat tracking do not get to control other alliances sovereignty. Yarr is not part of Coalition A, or B. You do not get to force us into a side or a war we are not a part of. Please edit this error.

3-4? No, no, that's old regulations. It's 5-8 now.

@Roquentin Once again, obstructing your war effort is not slot filling. Get over your goddamn self. Units other than planes are a 100% acceptable to fight. Drop the tied to Rose thing, this is what, twice now Rose is at war and TFP chooses the opposite side? You really think that's a strong relationship? Also, 1 nation =/= en entire alliance. Try again with these dumbass comparisons and make them actually equivalent. Even with that, no, doing as you described is not actually against the rules. Whether that would remain the case in the complaints to Alex following is another matter. Still not the same as the situation we're discussing. @Alex I apologise for this shitshow but could you take a moment to clarify what slotfilling is for everyone. Is being uninvolved in a global war and buying a treasure from somebody who is in it, then using naval attacks to beige, slotfilling, because it obstructs their enemies attacks? Furthermore should it be permissible for players to threaten another with reports to moderation for not complying with their wishes. ie: "you'll have to airstrike if you don't want to be slotfilling, which I'll report" <---- a paraphrase of what Roq did actually say to TFP.

Oh, you're probably somewhat correct that just telling people to screw off would be more efficient, but it also fits into what they're saying about a hegemony. Of course the only hegemonic stuff I've seen has been them trying to muscle people into cancellations and other stuff. It's pretty clear they don't care. The soup example would be used to say soup was smaller than them. If just arguing the point makes the community toxic and there is no opportunity for dialogue or exchange of ideas, then it's just going to be war without politics. I see where you are coming from though, but they have already chosen their path from what I can tell, but yeah I guess doesn't make sense to bother.

Diplomacy 100 Congrats Minesome

By the way, are you really danish? Because i have already been bombed out by a guy called Socialist Denmark, who wasen't actually danish.

Why do you have that? ?

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Not only is there evidence of this clearly on the forum, the action actually happened. You'd be a great politician in the western world, especially with this latest string of politics going on in our lives.

I meant to respond to this earlier, but I've been busy preparing to move into my college dorm. No one is asking you to give up being the top bloc or even the top alliance nor give us an advantage. As you've seen, minispheres has only resulted in us getting rolled twice. I don't care in which way the balance of power swings just as long as it continues swinging. The problem I have with NPO entering as I've previous explained is that it risks jamming that see saw to one side. The thing we are asking for is a good faith effort to protect the future of the game. The continued slog of bipolarity and extremely long wars just fuels member attrition and the death of alliances, which objectively is unhealthy for the game. As an aside, when ya'll brought in 270 members, that is great for the game. I do hope that they aren't used to further consolidation, but a genuine congratulations on introducing a new community and adding for more potential future dynamics. And this is good motivation for others to follow in bringing in new communities. If you want to attack TKR for doing the same shtick, fine call us out where we err. That's exactly what we're here to discuss. And I know you think we have not changed, but I mean just look at FA department. None of us, @Menhera, @Benfro and myself were here in FA even 3 months ago, and before then only @GoldyHammer and @Nizam Adrienne were responsible for all of our FA. All of us have come with new ideas and we are actively working to change our direction. As for our entrance into this war, well that was clear as day in terms of CB and it was two smaller blocs attacking a much larger bloc. From a meta perspective (which I admit yes wasn't our biggest concern), it was the largest bloc being taken down a notch by two smaller ones which again isn't the worst thing. But it was still fundamental to our political calculus, nonetheless, that we weren't doing something to destabilize the minisphere dynamic. Perhaps, even accelerate it by demonstrating the risk to fledgling blocs like citadel and cov the risks of being in such a large bloc. Again, I'm open to discuss this in good faith, and I admit that TKR is no perfect AA maybe in some ways less so or more so than NPO. I'm willing to admit my/TKR's mistakes, are you? My goal here is to promote these ideals. I'm not asking for blind faith just some willingness for discussion about how we can achieve mutual progress on these goals (whether it benefits you, me or whoever). As for the realpolitik thread of the argument, I do believe that consolidation was large part a cause of CN's death (but you're right that this is mostly from second-hand conversations I've had from the people who were there, so you might know better). But again, consolidation isn't good for the game. One of the best reasons for consolidation is the pragmatic argument. Essentially, why leave the largest blocs if they're going to offer the most protection against being rolled since everyone else isn't enough to take you down. Now, I'm not decrying all instances of pragmatism nor realpolitik, but the times when it devolves into a zero-sum perspective where an actor only views his benefit as someone else's or the community's loss. The rhetoric you use, as in I don't do X because that gives TKR an advantage or Y because that benefits KT, should not be the be-all and end-all. This is what specifically causes frustration to many because it can often fuel decisions that will detriment the game health. The minisphere dynamic helps NPO too. If you're worried about the elites, well your allies in T$ and HS are known for having a few as well besides your own member base. NPO had and has an equal opportunity to leverage its connections. We were all ready to give you a chance despite previous misgivings (which I do believe was a step towards game health). And besides this, in small groupings, you are literally the largest alliance giving you unique operability. I'm just stating this because you guys focus on your weaknesses from this dynamic but never really state your strengths which might be just as strong. Now, the final portion of your statement is what really disconcerts me and I'm sure many others. While I won't place the responsibility fully on NPO, ya'll like everyone else are part of this game, so you have a responsibility to the continuity of it. And your flippant response to many players leaving the game is something I find distressing. The permutations of dynamics and political intrigue is completely dependent on the number of players and alliances. The reason I point out NPO here is because your process of decision-making seems to neglect the impact on the game always in favor or your own priorities even if they're aren't necessarily exclusive. And if you could take back one event during this war that would be most helpful to the game dynamic it would likely be NPO's entry. Then you'd have a growing N$O who likely becomes the top bloc after BK's fall. Citadel and/or cov become independent. Fark is also prospering with its own bloc. Now, the game has 6 or 7, at least, independent blocs. NPO likely still has the advantage perhaps an even greater one unless under some illusion, you seriously think Chaos wants long-term ties with KETOG (no offense to those alliances). Maybe it's not too late, and maybe we can still provide some sort of solution to Orbis. I for one don't want to let enmity between the major alliances result in our failure of saving something that provides us all with an immense amount of fun and enjoyment. I do believe, though, that there is a path forward. Hopefully we find it .

TKR... Roqbot... Oppression... Salt... The Kid... Killing the game... Have I hit enough buzz words to hit a 30 page thread yet? edit: Scarf, tears, frawley, stat padding, white peace, harsh terms edit edit:

Ok, so I'm not the only one who takes hours to write those babies. I love wall-of-texts, but good god do they take a lot of time to write.

Hey guys, I'm Maeve Thieves and I'm not really new to the game anymore? I've been playing for 118 days now, but figured I might aswell create an OWF account now that I'm here to stay. I might have met a few of you through the war, if I did feel free to say hi. Good luck and hope to see you all in the game!

I prefer the alternative, where I guide GOONS to the light, and collect as many tears as possible.

I'm fairly certain GOONS has no inclination of blowing up in anyone's face. I've known Roq and Kesh long enough and don't plan on creating a disaster for my protector.

How do NPO conduct transfers then? Honestly I'm not trying to get into an argument with you but there are two opinions on every subject. If you wanted to declare and attack BK nations for loot it would not be against the game rules as they are written, as you are not allies and IQ doesn't exist any longer. The rules need a good re-write involving global wars and interference within that war. As for calling me a moron, that was just uncalled for and frankly childish.

@MinesomeMC Do I get my 200m for faking the logs between both Gov's?

I'm not sure if it's just for PR points "ebil NPO" bullshit, but it sounds like a pretty clear cut case here. Those logs that came out would've been plenty enough of a CB. Extremely poor idea for TFP to flex like that. That's not even getting to the warslot issue. When we fought Oblivion and people were jumping our slots, every single war was a potential problem and dealt with.

Narh they didn't @Frawley , have you never seen the video clip? The man was never caught, while he have become a symbol for the fight against chinese oppression.

Ah, you're right, can't just be a single-line shitpost. Here we go (spoilered to avoid triggering sensitive people) That should get things working

I will never be found, no matter how long the thread

Tell me about it

It seems that 90% of the invasion alliance has gone inactive.

I'm here to fight for the weeb world And this is not even my final form

We should ask NPO to change the name of their leader from "Emperor" to "Hegemon" Oh yes, give it to me baby. Uh huh, uh huh. Good... Gooooooooooood... You are correct but it needs to be some kind of angry rant post. I believe in you. How do you feel about NPO's hegemonic tendencies? Feel free to add more, I'll edit them into the OP. 2200 words? Those are rookie numbers, we need to pump those numbers up. I am the great Reconcilier. Peace benefits us all, Arrgh is running out of targets with good loot.

@Roquentin Hurting your war effort is not slot filling. Alex's rules are vague as hell, absolutely, but they're not nearly vague enough for this shit you keep going on about "hurt the other nation's in the war". The rules don't give a shit, he had a different goal and was achieving it by 100% permissible means. Feel free not to like it, or attack them for it as you did. But quit pedaling this asinine bullshit that it was even within the same Galaxy as slotfilling, or that there was the slightest of detectable iotas of ground to try and get them hit by mods over it. Honestly I don't care if Alex has no jurisdiction over discord. Anyone uses mods as a weapon they should be the one getting hit, regardless of the medium used. Edit: Imagine decrying people who toxicly rage against you for not playing their way only to turn around and try to get people warned or even banned for not playing YOUR way. At this point I pessimistically await the day this attitude escalates into people filing mass reports against leaders like yourself hoping to get them banned. That's where this nonsense heads.

Not quite sure why anyone is upset about this, honestly. Let them have it. NPO has always done massive recruit drives during major wars ever since they became a major player.

Have to get to 2048 to win though...

256, soon 512, then 1024... Confirmed robots

Looks like everyone beat me to responding to this nonsense, but whatever. Nice backtracking, stay terrified of NPO and their "scare tactics" lmao

I guess you'll have no complaints if some paranoid nutcases go and find goons or something awful or the real Fark and drag then here en masse, even if they should bolster the membership of TKR as an example into the several hundreds? Good for you I guess but I don't like that idea either.

I mean it wouldn't be any better if they joined BK, TKR, Rose, or t$. Add 241 to any of those and it's utterly ridiculous. Frankly, adding 241 to any alliance is insane. Even if it were my shithole micro it'd be ridiculous. Any alliance with any measurable competence is ridiculous.

You don't need an experiment for that, trust me. You wanna know how bad just talk to the micros. Took me a helluva long while to stare at the facts beneath my nose on that, and I am a micro, lol.

It's not necessarily a bad thing to bring in hundreds of new players like that, but I question it's benefit to the games health when they all go to not even the same sphere but the same alliance. Which is why as I said on the PW discord, I sincerely hope most of them diaspora either u to their own alliances or across the game to explore the world as it were. Especially if there are more 'waves'.

"Everyone saw what we did as hegemonic" You're not exactly giving anyone a single reason to think they're wrong by spawning in 241 nation's with a referral code pinging everyone on a 30k member discord server, sending money to build them up, and then saying "this is the first wave". If you're gonna do that though at least make a sphere of nothing but NPO that still numbers however many at that point.

orange alliance bad.

Good luck on rebuilding.

When BK will reach positive net damage after attacking enough innocent alliances /irony