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5 minutes ago, 🗲ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™🗲 said:

You know this thread has gone on long enough that people are flexing over victories won years ago and you've got even obscure players coming out of the woodwork to comment.

But did you know @TheNG made Arrgh surrender?

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1 hour ago, Memph said:

The amount of damage I'm doing has only been increasing in the last couple months as I'm fine tuning my strategies, and Guardian's activity has also gone up in the last couple weeks. At this point my weekly net damages are about 5x what my weekly income was before the war. 

I'm curious to know why you devote so much time to arguing why TKR should surrender. You seem really pressed about the fact that they haven't.

Are you saying that IQ are frustrated at the fact that we haven't surrendered but just don't want to admit it for fear of looking soft? I just don't understand what you're getting at. Alliances not involved in the war can feel free to go on about their business.

Yes I'll just go ahead and gather the rest of my membership and the investors I have planned and their money too of course and all the noobs I don't have that's down either to bad luck or being small and recruiting during a war. 

I'll also keep planning my various schemes despite the fact that after any war, especially this severe things typically start shifting around alot.

 

Good to hear, so that makes... Everything I've got useless, basically? Cool I'll go about doing my business then since it's all literally impossible.

I mean, surely you could imagine why anyone might be a tad upset at this point, especially when they already dislike your brand of prideful moron anyway, I daresay it's rather obvious why they are 'pressed' about it.

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8 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

Yes I'll just go ahead and gather the rest of my membership and the investors I have planned and their money too of course and all the noobs I don't have that's down either to bad luck or being small and recruiting during a war. 

I'll also keep planning my various schemes despite the fact that after any war, especially this severe things typically start shifting around alot.

 

Good to hear, so that makes... Everything I've got useless, basically? Cool I'll go about doing my business then since it's all literally impossible.

I mean, surely you could imagine why anyone might be a tad upset at this point, especially when they already dislike your brand of prideful moron anyway, I daresay it's rather obvious why they are 'pressed' about it.

Sorry to hear that. Too bad you guys are too proud to change your surrender terms.

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1 minute ago, Memph said:

Sorry to hear that. Too bad you guys are too proud to change your surrender terms.

Akuryo is not involved in the war, much less IQ/t$ Coalition Leadership

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3 minutes ago, Kevanovia said:

Akuryo is not involved in the war, much less IQ/t$ Coalition Leadership

Nope, I'm just an angry jackass. 

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6 minutes ago, Kevanovia said:

Akuryo is not involved in the war, much less IQ/t$ Coalition Leadership

Not unless Memph decides to 767 into Akuryo.

 

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2 hours ago, Akuryo said:

I mean, surely you could imagine why anyone might be a tad upset at this point, especially when they already dislike your brand of prideful moron anyway, I daresay it's rather obvious why they are 'pressed' about it.

I'm actually curious as to why people are upset about it.

For one, IQ/Syndi want this war to continue.  So does TKR/Guardian.

Second, who else plans on doing anything during this time anyways?

If you want to do something, then do it.  This isn't going to stop you, nor should it.

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On 1/27/2019 at 3:20 PM, Nizam Adrienne said:

For the record, TKR's only term was for you to reveal which of our members was leaking information to you. The term you're referring to was TRF's, which they chose to drop.

Lmfao here we go again

You might not have been the ones who came up with the terms, but you spent the better part of a month arguing for their merit as if they were yours.

By the last few weeks of that war, TCW was barely fighting, like less than 10% of all wars were TCW, TRF was getting jumped and dicked repeatedly by us as their activity waned and we had flipped their stats into the negative. TKR was the one doing all the work. At any point you could have chosen simply to drop those terms because you had all of the bargaining power.

The only reason those terms ever got dropped is because TCW and TRF lacked the stamina to maintain them and none of you lacked the ability to argue with me for their merit (probably because there was none, as we all saw thanks to that Alex/Queen M thread).

Its simple really, when you are the primary negotiator or a large and integral part of a coalition, and therefore have a large amount of leverage, you don't get to hide behind your smaller and less important allies when they try and push terms you supposedly don't support.

I do find it ironic that according to multiple members of TKR and TCW, TGH was majorly responsible for the 6 month NAP with IQ you guys all complained about, despite being a smaller alliance in a wider coalition, with no leverage (what we gonna say, "If you peace out with a 6 month NAP, we'll.....peace out?"  lmfao). Yet TKR apparently bares no responsibility for the terms their allies tried to push (they only failed because your allies were shit), despite making up like 70% of the coalition size, doing all the legwork, not even being allied to one of them, and being in the dominant position in the war.

Have you learned nothing?

 

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3 hours ago, Buorhann said:

I'm actually curious as to why people are upset about it.

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Probably for similar reasons it aggravates me. In general principal nobody cares if some fools kill themselves, right up until it starts inconvencing them. I just happen to get more and more annoyed the longer that occurs.

Normally I wouldn't let it stop me, but I'm a micro. And that means I am largely at the mercy of the world as to my capabilities. Even in peace I'm restrained because I have a protector through whom such major plans must run, let alone if the world insists on being on fire. 

Congratulations, you're an ambitious and active person in a position of power within a major alliance within it's own small sphere. The lists of things that can put a damper on your abilities to act is quite short. On the other hand, I too am ambitious and active but my seat is not in any Bloc nor major alliance, and the list of things capable of stopping my ability to act includes my own existence as a micro, which due to the politics of the game must be protected or otherwise die to endless legions of Invaders. 

Hopefully my somewhat rambly diatribe explains why anyone with a shred of vision or action in them at the lower levels especially is increasingly unamused with the continuation of this shitshow. It's a further addition of restraints to somebody already being restrained. I just happen to be a particularly restless and !@#$y loudmouth about it. 

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3 hours ago, Sketchy said:

Have you learned nothing?

Obviously, since they still tried to push for OOC terms.

 

On a side note, get em sketchy.

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11 hours ago, Sketchy said:

You might not have been the ones who came up with the terms, but you spent the better part of a month arguing for their merit as if they were yours.

You wanted the negotiations to take place between me and you, which was understandable. But that means I was the sole negotiator for our side. From my viewpoint, at least while I was talking to you, my personal thoughts on any of the terms besides our own was irrelevant. My job was to represent TCW and TRF's viewpoints to you, which is what I aimed to do to the best of my ability.

11 hours ago, Sketchy said:

Its simple really, when you are the primary negotiator or a large and integral part of a coalition, and therefore have a large amount of leverage, you don't get to hide behind your smaller and less important allies when they try and push terms you supposedly don't support.

I suppose this is the disagreement. We don't see our allies/coalition mates as less important regardless of their size and while I understand where you're coming from with this, we aren't one to steamroll them into agreeing with our viewpoint. Regarding the 6 month NAP, sure, people were upset about that but I don't think anyone blames TGH exclusively for the entire thing when you were part of a large coalition. I certainly don't.

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25 minutes ago, Nizam Adrienne said:

You wanted the negotiations to take place between me and you, which was understandable. But that means I was the sole negotiator for our side. From my viewpoint, at least while I was talking to you, my personal thoughts on any of the terms besides our own was irrelevant. My job was to represent TCW and TRF's viewpoints to you, which is what I aimed to do to the best of my ability.

I suppose this is the disagreement. We don't see our allies/coalition mates as less important regardless of their size and while I understand where you're coming from with this, we aren't one to steamroll them into agreeing with our viewpoint. Regarding the 6 month NAP, sure, people were upset about that but I don't think anyone blames TGH exclusively for the entire thing when you were part of a large coalition. I certainly don't.

I think it's a bit late to be arguing the optics of that war, no? 

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12 minutes ago, The Mad Titan said:

I think it's a bit late to be arguing the optics of that war, no? 

TKR is only active involving wars that they've won. 

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What happened to The Commonwealth? Oh wait...they are just dropped down a lot.

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If you guys wanted a declaration of defeat and have us put something stupid in a surrender post, this war would have ended after 30 days, but you want to do shit like dictate what my alliance is called, and how we conduct our FA, yeah you can go pound sand, and we will drag it out.

I find it the height of hypocrisy that IQ would complain about this since they dragged a war out because they refused to admit they lost. 

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28 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

If you guys wanted a declaration of defeat and have us put something stupid in a surrender post, this war would have ended after 30 days, but you want to do shit like dictate what my alliance is called, and how we conduct our FA, yeah you can go pound sand, and we will drag it out.

I find it the height of hypocrisy that IQ would complain about this since they dragged a war out because they refused to admit they lost. 

The difference is that in our case the war was more or less a stalemate. Your alliance members, however, have resorted to zeroing out their militaries and resources and largely aren't even fighting back anymore.

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2 minutes ago, Edward I said:

The difference is that in our case the war was more or less a stalemate. Your alliance members, however, have resorted to zeroing out their militaries and resources and largely aren't even fighting back anymore.

U mads cuz some of us stopped funding your 5:1 gang bang? :)

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1 hour ago, Boofy said:

U mads cuz some of us stopped funding your 5:1 gang bang? :)

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I believe he actually finds it humorous that you talk about dragging out a war when you follow up with a post like this. Dunno though

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On 1/30/2019 at 2:43 PM, Nizam Adrienne said:

Regarding the 6 month NAP, sure, people were upset about that but I don't think anyone blames TGH exclusively for the entire thing when you were part of a large coalition. I certainly don't.

While I believe you in this, I’ve had multiple people blame me for it directly when I’ve had nothing to do with it.

Thats off topic here though.

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5 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

If you guys wanted a declaration of defeat and have us put something stupid in a surrender post, this war would have ended after 30 days, but you want to do shit like dictate what my alliance is called, and how we conduct our FA, yeah you can go pound sand, and we will drag it out.

I find it the height of hypocrisy that IQ would complain about this since they dragged a war out because they refused to admit they lost. 

People stopped listening to the suicidal guy on the roof like he had any sense to him a looooooong time ago, Ronny. Quit talkin and just jump already, since that seems the only way you're comin down.

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Dont jump and please dont let this get to 40 pages. 

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