Ripper

An alternative is already there. They can sell their infra to 1k and avoid getting looted/losing military and 2-5 days of growth.

Don't worry, Micchan. You need no stats to prove your worth.

Or what? You will attack them?

That would be one hell of a "party"...

This is not accurate. I would say that, at the moment, "both sides don't mind dragging the war our".

Good luck. The NationStates flag effect feels so nostalgic.

Sorry Apeman, @Fraggle already got that assignment.

If you consider our practice of not taking a step back for any of our terms (their context) a sign of "bad faith", there is not much we can do about it. However, if there is some other event that alienated you and made you think we were running the peace negotiations in bad faith, let us know and we can work on that. From my point of view, a sign of bad faith would be trying to hide things from you, being impolite, trying to trick you, not giving you alternatives, etc. I think that we did our best to provide all the information you wanted. Also, from the very beginning, the terms were even signed by the alliances that suggested them, while we could have avoided that in order to keep things foggy and to try and avoid future retribution. Morever, we did change things according to your feedback, like the wording of clauses that didn't sound right to you. Terms like the war-VMers one even have two alternatives (us attacking the nations or them selling their infra on their own) in order to make things easier for you and let nations avoid a raid that would also make them lose resources, military and growth time. In any case, your remark gave me an idea. We may try to come up with a nice Christmas present/event. No promises though. 🎅

Καλημέρα. My Discord name is Ripper#3870 if you want to have a chat. (let's drop the Greek for now xD )

@Ocelot καλωσήρθες. Ι hope you get to enjoy the game. Greetings from Athens!

Damn... And I thought I had it tough. xD

Alliances that are trully paperless, have no treaties whatsoever. They can have friends and they can collaborate with others (see CoS, TEst, SK and Arrgh in this war). However, they can as well attack the next day the very same alliances they supported the day before. Paperless are fluid. Then, you have "paperless ties" (we even get the oxymoron term "paperless treaties") - ties that were never made formal in any way: either in an attempt to hide them or due to them just appearing and not being something formal or set on stone For the first case: Since Sparta hit GOB, it has been proven again and again (and admitted by their members) that GOB and Guardian are allies. Indicatively, at this war, you can see that Guardian didn't get assistance from two of its MDPs, but did get assistance from GOB, with which, supposedly, it has no official ties. That's a secret paperless treaty. For the second case: Paperless ties may just appear due to the nature of two alliances, their history, circumstances, etc. For example, Arrgh and Typhon have/had a similar play-style and it makes no sense raiding raiders. Naturally, the two alliances didn't hit each other and cooperated indirectly. That's a natural, unofficial tie created by the environment. Regarding the participation of the trully paperless to this war, this is no treaty, as there is just a temporary agreement set for this specific war. For example, CoS attacked SK a few months before this war, but SK assisted CoS to its front (against Tesla) in this current war.

Yeah, treaties expire after 6 months or so.

Arrgh! Following the TKR manual, since you are pirates, have no military and no alliances to protect you, we will just use you for training our new members and perma-war you, even if you don't attack us at all. Edit 1: It's amazing how you forgot to add in the flag Tesla, an alliance with which you have an MDP, but you didn't forget to add GOB, an alliance which is "paperless". Edit 2: I am glad you get to experience the pirate life. It's the best kind of play-style in the game (for an individual).

One part is to make sure the negotiations are transparent and the members of both sides know how things are. The other part is that I thought it would be more interesting (for the community as a whole) having a discussion here. As I said, all discussions here are not part of the negotiations. You should (or, more specifically, there is no reason that you shouldn't), because you enjoy discussing things. That's a purpose of this thread. Offering you something to discuss.