Adrienne

We’ve not engaged much partially because we’ve been busy, but also because with much of this, we have already made our stance on what happened in the lead up to this NAP clear in Roberts’ post here: We aren’t interested in repeating them ad nauseam, and we have been reaching out privately to talk to folks as well. That said, there are a few points made here we wish to clarify on publicly. This particular claim makes very little sense to me. Singularity didn’t even exist when the Fortuna war ended, and at that point, we were still allied to one of the alliances that would go on to form Singularity. So no, we weren’t immediately plotting against you. If Rose instead wanted to make that claim, they might have a leg to stand on. However, that decision to fight them was based on our understanding they were blaming us for the coalition against Fortuna, which we made clear in our CB/discussions with them following that war, even if they disagreed with our conclusions. Did we try to make an arrangement that was as much to our advantage as to the advantage of the other members of the coalition? Of course we did. As did you, as does any alliance. But blaming everything that went wrong in that war on TKR shows a lack of accountability for your own role in how that war played out. Everyone involved contributed to the breakdown of that war. Best I can tell, there was at least one glaring possibility that was missed and/or not adequately planned for during war prep, which when happened, led to panicked decision making, a breakdown of communications, and a war that went down quickly in flames. We all had a hand in that. To clarify your misconception here, the moment the offer was made to us, we took it to the coalition. There was no separate deal. Despite your perception that you were going to be left behind, that was never a reality nor a real possibility. Although, by your own words, you were doing just fine and didn't need our help, we can agree that had that been a legitimate thing we were trying to do, it would have been bad. Fortunately, that wasn't the case. We assume this misinterpretation of our intent comes from the fact we first took the offer to Rose to gauge their interest, since they had the most to lose from continuing the war and we were willing to continue fighting if they were. Our only mistake during that part of things was to not push for a public peace server, considering how quickly rumors began circulating following the end of the war and again, how quickly responsibility for that entire war was shoved onto us. I could likewise say the same, considering every effort in collaboration with you for the past year results in malicious rumors and our name being smeared. While we don’t deny we’ve made mistakes and are fine taking ownership of them when we’ve actually done something wrong, there have been countless rumors about us of late that are clearly false and, whether intentionally or unintentionally, manufactured. It's easy to read between the lines and completely misinterpret statements when one is searching for ill intent. This is what we believe has been happening on your end. We're choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt here instead of assuming you're intentionally lying and smearing us. There is clearly some mutual mistrust between our alliances fueling this, and that's something we are willing to admit and work toward resolving. We’ve already started talking with your alliance privately and are happy to try and work this out if you're willing to as well. Same offer goes to Rose and Guardian, who I understand to have similar concerns as well.

That isn't an accurate recount of the events as we experienced them, and it's not a lack of being invited that we take issue with. We're happy to talk and clear up any misconceptions when your leadership is ready to have that conversation.

Good luck to all involved

Did he actually? 😂 I would think this was a joke, but it's Kastor, so clarification needed.

We moved to Discord a few weeks ago: https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/36638-have-you-heard-of-discord-a-revolutionary-leap-by-tkr/

"To succeed in your mission, you must have single-minded devotion to your goal." - A.P.J. Abdul Kalam ~~~ Dear Friends and Enemies of Orbis, I’m writing to you all today with some important news. Our devoted king, Canbec, has decided to retire. I’m sure this news has not already been circulating all last night and today and will come as a complete and total shock to all. Whether you love him a lot or only a little, Canbec has been an incredible part of both our alliance and Orbis. He’s served The Knights Radiant with great love and devotion since July 2021, when he joined gov as a High Prince of War and began moving up through the ranks. He’s led the alliance since January 2023 and has done an amazing job. He saw us through five wars, two blocs, and one very successful merger. He helped raise two protectorates to allies. He served on the development team. And, arguably most impressive of all, he achieved what many thought was impossible: convincing TKR to move from Slack to Discord. Canbec, you’ve been an amazing leader for the last year and an even more amazing friend for the last three, and I’m grateful you’ll be sticking around as a Shard. Thank you for everything you’ve done for TKR and thank you for the trust you’ve put in me and in Ben to continue moving TKR forward. You’ve left us some big shoes to fill, and I hope we’ll do you justice. I also want to thank our allies, Grumpy Old Bastards, The Immortals, The Forgotten Realms, and Space Engineers, for supporting us during this transition. I look forward to working more with you in the coming months. Lastly, thank you to our members for believing in us and trusting us to serve you. I look forward to seeing what we can accomplish together. All the best, Adrienne, Queen of the Heralds ~~~ Dear Frenemies Orbis Wide: You can’t get rid of me forever! It is a sad occasion with Canbec’s retirement. Our game and community are better for all that Canbec has achieved and we appreciate everything he poured into it. Thanks for bringing us into the 21st century on Discord, designing some beautiful war badges, and seeming to answer DMs at all hours. You should be proud of all that you accomplished in milcom, growth in econ, implementing new tech, and making us some wonderful new friends in FA. Enjoy the best role in the game: retired former leader, advisor, and shard. You’ve earned your rest. Looking forward to your nitpicking of our future decisions! I’ll Leave the Rocking Chair Warm for Ya, Benfro, Prince of the Heralds ~~~ tl;dr:

It's Urithiru 😭

He may be a pain in the ass, but he's our pain in the ass. Noooooo touchy!

Alright, alright, I get the point. Go back to your little pity party and enjoy thinking everyone else is horrible and maleficent and out to get you and I'll stop thinking you're reasonable people willing to consider alternative viewpoints and we'll all be happier for it.

It's not gaslighting to say "hey, this doesn't align with what I've heard from others; I think there's been a misunderstanding." Get a grip.

Was as an example of thought process/potential misunderstandings. Regardless, from what I've seen at least, you weren't as clear as you thought you were. At the risk of sounding like a broken record here, you should keep an open mind and consider that you might have misinterpreted what they were saying given that you may have been operating off different base assumptions. It might be worth talking to them. Anyways, we're moving off topic a bit and getting a bit redundant now too, so that's the last I'll say here. Do with that advice what you will and have a good night. Or day, I suppose.

It should be pretty clear to you from reading this thread that there were misunderstandings as to what was being asked. You can literally see comprehension dawning on me in my post a few up. So I think you should re-examine your assumptions regarding how that all went down because it's pretty obvious to me you weren't on the same page.

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by lack of thorough communication and misunderstanding. From what I know of them, and better understanding your position from what you are saying here, you guys were on different pages and didn't understand what the other side was looking for.

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Elaborating though, people don't want to include future allies in the NAP because they can't really speak for them. They didn't fight in the war and they weren't even tied when the war happened, so they can't be a signatory of the NAP. That said, I do think it's ridiculous to expect someone to honor a NAP over an MDP. And thus, they're sort of defacto included in the NAP. You can attack them, as they aren't actually included in the NAP, but you can't fault an ally for defending them. If anything, it's a fault as it's a way to get around a NAP by attacking allies of NAPed parties moreso than anything else. Breaking the spirit moreso than the letter. Edit: After reading some more of the debates around RON and whatnot and seeing some examples/re-reading the above, I think I would agree that adding a clause saying "we won't attack your prots or [uninvolved/future] allies" is a fair/decent middle ground that clearly includes how people view this issue in the NAP, as it's not speaking for the allies - they're free to go about and do whatever they want still - because isn't actually including them in the NAP and binding them in the same way a signatory would be. That said, I do still think it's implied and given that people have made this sentiment clear for years, you know what you're getting into by doing it. It's not ambiguous, you're pushing limits.

Now we're just going in circles 😄 "No one's done it before" --> "Well, no one's f*cked around and found out before" --> "Okay, but no one's done it before"

You haven't seen it because generally people haven't messed with MDPs of someone under a NAP, because they know most people would say MDPs trump NAPs and act accordingly.

Welcome!

Welcome!

Happy birthday, Grumpy! 🎉 🎂 🎉

Yay! Excited to see this

Hardly smh

That's because Uritithu isn't anything; they spelled it wrong. It's supposed to be Urithiru, the home of the Knights Radiant.

I'll one up you on that as I've found the true culprit. You have declared war on Hoosier Daddy for the reason of: " It's Urithiru. " Wars last for a maximum of 5 days, but peace can be mutually agreed upon beforehand. Good luck!