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BK has never been shy about going to war when they needed to or were bored, which was probably the case here. They were bored and someone gave then an excuse. If you don't like it, do something about it, otherwise bugger off.

Listening to AK complain about stolen money is cute. Truly is.

this is hilarious and i feel no sympathy although i also agree trying to settle things diplomatically is usually good to try first , but since AK didnt give us that opportunity when we talked to them (MAGE disbandment and raids on their members who didnt even know they had been couped yet) they totally had this coming

In the spirit of fun and bloodshed, I have written a program that automatically creates a target list given a list of offensive and defensive alliances. I am willing to let anyone use it...for a price. Message me in-game or on Discord with the total number of offensive and defensive nations involved and additional specifications that you may need. Alliance names can be disclosed after confirmation of services, and the price can be paid right around war declaration time in order to ensure confidentiality. I'd be more than happy to engage in a back-and-forth discussion if necessary! I look forward to making things a little more exciting, and good luck warring! Sample target list between several random micros: https://goo.gl/gFa3KM

tfw you just wanted some quick cash but now BK is bending you over and prepping the probe. It really do be like that sometimes

I recently made a podcast episode for Politics and War and you all should listen to it. It's mostly my experience on the game and my thoughts on it. Hope ya'll like it.

I could ask you the same. Alot of people say this to be some sort of burn, i guess? In the short-ish time ive been playing this game in a capacity greater than a drone, i've been gov in a major alliance, which i eventually couped and robbed. I hid in a micro and helped build it because i trusted the leaders, one left, than the other brokedown, in part my fault as well. A failed merger crippled the aa more when those left, resulting in coup #2 and my second acquisition of a bank. During my time in the micro, i even raided part of CS's offshore bank during Ayyslamic crusade, helping put another aa down. This course of events has not only lead directly as a significant contributing factor to the sort of revival Pantheon is having under Fist, by making it's foundations so weak he could waltz in. This revival is no a key part ins T$ return to the light, and my actions taken in the way they were have only strengthened the foundations for the future death of a titan. Nobody stays #1 forever, i guess. And to top it all off, instead of hugging my newfound pixels, i joined the only alliance with a greater guarantee of destroying them than any other aa that is not Arrgh. So, tell me, who are you? And infact, who the hell is your alliance? You've fought what, one major war - or war at all, as far as i know? Sure, i haven't started one yet, but at somepoint, everything i've done will be just one group of clouds in a horrific typhoon bound for somebody's shores. What's pathetic here is your attempt to play the relevancy game, while your entire alliance struggles to outpace a single person in relevance. When people speak your alliance's name they go "Didn't they fight in that one war?"and then 10 seconds later somebody mentions how their allies in it lamented about their performance. Mine comes with a shortlist, and then everyone remarking that my only redeeming quality is that i cause crap to happen on a regular basis. I checked the wiki, there's two other 'wars' against Arrgh. You don't war arrgh, you just counter them. They're basically in perma-war with everyone. Call me back when your alliance is more relevant than i am. I'm not even that big not yet. Partisan is still leagues above me, and someone could easily argue Kastor is still above me too. I'm basically the groundfloor boss in a 30 floor dungeon and you can't get past me. God forbid the other floors, you'd never survive the Hippo Khan floor. What do you go around talking for? Tell me more than one thing your entire alliance has done that had any significant far-reaching impact. Cause all i see - and to quote whoever that guy was as TKR's FA tryina treaty NPO a while back, "Just a bunch of perennial actors". Alright, that's enough ego-stroking for a month, maybe two. Possibly three. I'm supposed to be an ego-less depressant, so this was weird. I do like ranting though, relieves stress, so thanks for that. Place your bets on the downvotes, guys. The snake is far more forgiving than i am, then. When a solo actor starts outperforming a whole troop, i can't help but wonder.

All great alliance die young, that’s what makes them great.

You still have my tiara? Lost it in the packing.

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I'm naming my next city "Phoenixia" in honor of this!

SG is an extension of Camelot, and has always been treated as such. Like I have said multiple times before, AK knew damn well of this and a small little mistake in the alliance description doesn't break all ties

Not really, no. I don't banter.

It only makes sense...

Hey there Partiboy. I’m sure it’s possible that DAK overlooked something, but since when has sloppiness been a defense for fricking up? Given the whole Oblivion-tC debacle, it’s pretty clear that you don’t believe in the necessity of treaties for intervention. For the sake of argument, let’s say that big bad BK is bullying helpless little DAK without reason. Will t$ step in to defend its protectorate from this unwarranted attack or is Orbis forever doomed to live under jackbooted IQ hegemony?

Ah, yes. The classic FA move. Retroactively claim protection over an AA to feign defense instead of just admitting you're helping your fumbling protectorate play World Police, while ignoring standard diplomatic practices entirely. How did no one see this coming?!

That would be a more fair argument if it were the case, but the treaty between Camelot and SG had been edited to become an extension, when during the entire situation it had been an MD tie. If the edit had been made publicly and beforehand, this wouldn't be an issue, but as it is Camelot is looking awfully scummy for changing that retroactively and hoping nobody would notice. Same with BK for trying to use it as an excuse to lawyer around treaty chess. As it is, they really could have just kept it as it was and argued exactly as you have and there wouldn't be the same kind of confusion. I mean, come the frick on BK. An irrelevant micro threatened you. That's more than enough CB. Don't piss about with retroactive treaty changes, if you want the war then declare it! Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it wasn't still there and just paperless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To my knowledge, they don't owe us anything at all. FAKE NEWS. btw still like that you report on us so frequently.

Not my fault you can't read Either way, AK knew damn well they were protected by BK

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Hey, next time run that shit past James before you post.

Sorry but, allow me to ask you the same thing. Kthx

Who are you? A word of advice, maybe you should stop begging for wars and go start your own instead of waiting for others to start it. Nobody likes a needy person.

Much more reasonable than what I do. Any alliance that has a member hit any of my ties, or my alliance, and I tell my Milcom to frick their alliance up. Sure gets their attention quick that way.

I also heard you have a lot of missiles.

Not to mention Empyrea fought CKD and HS about a month and a half ago, so even if they didn't fight alongside their current allies it's not as if they're strangers to fighting.

I miss those days. We should all do a reunion tour next year.

Yeah, and if you follow that logic to its theoretical conclusion then TheShadow should have dealt with it diplomatically instead of raiding. Or bank robbing, whichever, I dunno. Point is you can either blah blah blah treaty chess e-lawyer or you can just hit the red button, let's see some action

smh stop whining about BK and just blitz them @Prefonteen

Hello again.

But it *wasn't* on the page. Is it possible that AK looked at SG and thought "ISOLATED RAID TARGET" without having paid attention to your recruitment thread etc.? While i'm not going to comment much on the validity of their raid, the page was cited extensively to justify BK's intervention. Now that justification appears to be nonexistent.

Hey Epi, long time. So.. you deleted it by accident. Pantheon cancelled its protectorate on the 3rd, correct? Does that mean you deleted the "An attack on us is an attack on Camelot" blip somewhere between the snapshot of the google cache and the addition of the new post-hit version? Meaning you were without that protection note for perhaps a day or so?

BK tends to do that. Back when dragonstone was a thing, and during ADM's time, a member of DS raided ADM. ADM countered, the DS member called BK, and BK came after us. Poor TKR had to sit there going "WHAT THE F*** MAN" until BK got a sense of reason and stopped.

Dear Shifty, great topic as always.

I love how everyone is debating raiding and acting like you need to undergo years of special forces training to become a raider. This was obviously bait to see if it'd trigger a bigger conflict as the NAP is basically over and because most AAs wouldn't take this kinda shit. Unfortunately, they chose wrong and picked on UPN, the same alliance that betrayed Rose and went in to die against KT. UPN has no semblance of rep or social awareness. No one joins this game or plays it for years to ask, am I good enough to join UPN? Can I and should I sign UPN? Man, when is UPN gonna shake up the game again. UPN is like community college, it shouldn't even be in your safety school category.

It does the opposite. It makes the game stagnate. The Coalition is a perfect example. Plus I'd argue that "paperless" is just a moniker for spin. The operative description here is hidden. You keep them hidden so people think you aren't the problem for the stagnation like they leveled at IQ's public treaties. But if all paperless were in the open you'd see a mess of lines that's far more entangled than IQ. This isn't directed at TEst necessarily and certainly not historically. The game might get interesting again if the upper tiers actually want to stop being such pixel huggers and fight each other. And no, I'm not talking about the faux-wars where you can claim you fought, but really you so selectively picked your target that you even had to hit people you were friendly with because that was the path of least resistance and you couldn't be bothered to actually play some politics or take risks. And these same alliances made sure there would be no counters. No one in the upper tier has any ambition and there seems to be no political fallout from pixel hugging. So it continues and is even considered a "successful" approach. Yes, and it's so admirable to not use the forums so the game can stagnate even further while an alliance hides behind secret treaties, rarely fighting, while not dispelling the notion that your only skill as an alliance is to play it safe and only wage wars against much much smaller opponents that are already irrelevant and won't actually change the landscape of the game. The game's mechanics and economy are set for large-scale wars every few months. If you give it a year, let alone what's it's currently at, you might as well not even bother with the war part of the game. The lack of any real war in the upper tier has now broken a vital part to a war simulator; the ability to suppress real opponents (I'm not talking about irrelevant alliances that are curbstomped randomly). Incomes and savings are just too crazy now. Even if we do have a big war, you can no doubt guess the main upper tier players will not attack each other. If they get involved, and they will try to get involved so people don't catch on to the fact they never fight real wars, they will pick on lighter targets, without bigger allies or very connected that don't matter and won't really change the landscape. They won't attack alliances that are in any way risky. And we will all reap the benefits of what's become an upper tier snooze-fest. The game was never intended to have people with 30+ cities. It was intended to be easy to rebuild, easy to fight, lots of numerous wars, and an economy that was kept in check by war. When you removed that people were allowed to break the game. Now the biggest drama is people having their tens of billions stolen because they are so overflowing with cash they have turned a war simulator into a banking simulator. Think about that for a second. Politics and Banking.

I'll join if you fund my next city.

Another? You're just collecting these now.

Damn, y'all are still complaining about IQ existing and Syndisphere 2 Electric Boogaloo, but the real threat is right there under your noses. The Micro Alliances Sphere (funny name for a sphere by the way, but I mean who am I to judge really) Just look at this, combined score already exceeding that of EMC's and a mind-boggling level of tier consolidation that makes the low-tier their permanent dominion. Gaze on that in jealousy NPO! That's not to mentioned that their sphere leaders are so slippery and skilled at FA that they've assembled a huge coalition and I don't even know who they are!! Goddamn, one day they'll have had enough and will roll out on some poor fools. It'll be a slaughter, I didn't sign up for this! Fortunately, I'll be hitting VM before that happens, you saps can deal with this one.

I gotta stay in character for a second. The treaty web has always been a mess. I’m having a hard time picking a sphere. Protectorates are typically the cancer that stunts the growth of alliances maturity. They run crying to their protectors rather than learning how to stand on their own feet and handle adversity. I want to be the treaty janitor this game deserves.

I’m sorry I gotta break character for this. The treaty web is a damn mess right now. There are so many alliances that can’t decide what sphere they want to be in so they pick all of them. I can understand if you’re a large alliance having a ton of Protectorates (If they didn’t have the game would die) but, why so many MDPs? How can you maintain like six MDPs and not have an established bloc? If you want a big team of close allies make a bloc. If you don’t want to make a bloc then you shouldn’t want like 50 allies. You only have so much time in the day you can’t be close to all of them unless you act as one big alliance (like a bloc...). Honestly I’m impressed with TFP seeking to clean up their treaties a little. You can have great alliances as allies but, that doesn’t mean you’re close enough that they’re a good ally for you. I would rather have a weak but close ally than an incredibly distant strong ally. I might just be crazy but, that’s how I veiw the mess that is the treaty web. Hopefully we see some cleaning soon I just doubt it will happen.

i just assume most of UPN is potato batteries running a bot program tbh

Oh Kriegskoenig has lots of friends in addition to allies, but he also speaks truth. It just struck me that Thrax seems envious that Kriegskoenig's friends are happy to call him that in public, where Thrax has to resort to implying he has lots of friends, but few of them actually state so publicly, present company excluded.

@Iteo 1. Good idea, for now we'll just have to use the HTML table at https://politicsandwar.com/leaderboards/display=color to do this (which is a lot more work than everything else) 2. There is already an API for this (http://politicsandwar.com/api/wars/). I made a list of all the APIs I could find: Alliances http://politicsandwar.com/api/alliances/ Alliance http://politicsandwar.com/api/alliance/id= (AA ID) Alliance Bank http://politicsandwar.com/api/alliance-bank/?allianceid= (AA ID) &key= (API key) Alliance Members http://politicsandwar.com/api/alliance-members/?allianceid= (AA ID) &key= (API key) Alliance Applicants http://politicsandwar.com/api/applicants/ (AA ID) Nations: http://politicsandwar.com/api/nations/ Nation http://politicsandwar.com/api/nation/id= (nation ID) Wars http://politicsandwar.com/api/wars/ War http://politicsandwar.com/api/war/ (war ID) City http://politicsandwar.com/api/city/id= (city ID) Tradeprice http://politicsandwar.com/api/tradeprice/resource= (resource name) 3. imo it's not that important, but the nations API could do with a change just not sure what... 4. This has been brought up before I think, it would probably be a great help. 5. If you need something like this, maybe you only need Unique IDs for nations in an alliance (especially applicants). Try doing that instead of all nations.

@Ripper Do you really think anyone in Orbis is this stupid? We can all see that you raided, got countered, and are now pretending that the counters were unprovoked "attacks." Damn, bro. You have 30 cities. Never thought I'd see an alliance with weight to throw around e-lawyering like a desperate micro. I guess it's true that Arrghians can change alliances, but never lose the micro-raider attitude. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

So if a nation doesn't have the needed money than nothing runs but if you run out of food you only lose a percentage of gross income? Seems a little lopsided. Maybe we should look at changing this alex

If you run out of money or resources to maintain your improvements then they just stop functioning and produce nothing. I'm pretty sure you keep whatever military you have. If you run out of food then your gross income is decreased to 2/3 of what it is normally. Your cities will also gradually lose population. That's all I know, I think it's accurate. Toodles

This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet.