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Here is my version of the complete war stats, including the final war stats for Nuke bloc vs. TKR/Guardian/TC/GoB. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CUQB4ffrWnCEQWcKz5lewRzsRK4HRfFwyjkt_eTfh9U/edit?usp=sharing The market prices used are: food=110, coal=3638, oil=3328, uranium=2995, lead=3641, iron=3765, bauxite=3075, gasoline=3720, munitions=2125, steel=4598, aluminium=2943 based on average market prices for the past 45 days. Infrastructure damage value is calculated similar to Frawley's but should take into account the rebuying of infrastructure as well. The way it works is like this: for each attack in each war, the time is recorded, as well as who the attacker and defender are for that particular attack. According to the score graph breakdown on the defender's nation page, the infrastructure level for the latest date and time before the attack is calculated, and divided by the amount of cities at that time (also from the score chart) to find the average infrastructure per city. The cost of the infrastructure is calculated using the same method as in the infrastructure cost calculator with the starting infrastructure given as the maximum of (average infra per city - infrastructure destroyed in the attack) or 0, and the ending infrastructure as the maximum of either infrastructure destroyed, or the average infra per city. Military unit values are calculated at cost, including missile and nuclear weapon costs. Loot values include victory and alliance bank loots. I haven't organised the data for each individual nation like Leo did in his thread, but the sheet with all the raw data is available so you can filter by your nation ID to find that out. The alliance ID of alliances not listed on the final page (that go in the 'other' category) is also available in the raw data. It includes references to each war by the war ID so you can also check to make sure it's correct. I've done some random manual checks to make sure all the data is valid for each war, but if you find any errors please let me know, or let me know if some wars are missing. The only wars that shouldn't have been included are ones against nations that have deleted, the alliance no longer exists or against someone not in an alliance. EDIT: These stats do not include the cost of infrastructure destroyed in beige (% of each city). See the final stats here which do, and also don't include missile and nuke costs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-J36mxxj68T7XerTqk9arR5rAxeVs0HdSOfch19wDo/edit?usp=sharing

Can't wait for the next one in 2020.

Orange Defense Network To all, I've been getting a lot of questions regarding ODN's war status, so I felt some clarification was needed. On the 24th of March, the Golden Horde hit ODN. From our perspective for no reason, from theirs for a variety of reasons. They claimed we were part of this "IQ" coalition. C'est la vie though, that's life. We were attacked by the Horde. They called the attack a 'mass raid,' but as far as ODN was concerned, this was and remained a war. Multiple waves of attacks sending us to beige and then happening again and again are not a 'raid' in our book. We don't mind dealing with raids, we have lots of respect for raiders. This was not a raid as far as we were concerned (they are welcome to call it what they want). They told us the only way the attacks would end, would be if we cancelled our treaties with NPO. Well no thank you. The day anyone but ODN dictates who ODN can and cannot call friend will be a cold day in hell. In all honesty, besides from apparently our friends in NPO we couldn't even tell you who is in IQ. Certainly we dont consider ourselves in it. I'm sure they are fine folks, and we've got the utmost respect for NPO, but we had no interest in joining the global war and anyone who talked to us could have figured that out. As such, just because the global war has ended, *OUR* war with the Golden Horde has NOT ended. Just as we never intended to go to war with IQ, nor do we intend to declare peace with the Golden Horde simply because a bunch of random other alliances declared peace. Especially not considering how this whole thing started. We are under no delusions. The Golden Horde is bigger than us. They are more experienced then us. They outnumber us. We were attacked when we weren't expecting it and that hit us hard. We have limited resources. I suspect that for every 1 million of damage we do to the Horde, they will do 10 million to us. That's fine. We'll make that trade gladly, week after week. But we will deal damage. And we will not give in. They can smash us into a bloody pulp, crack our skulls, break every bone in our body. Our teeth will still be lodged firmly in their flesh at the end of it. ::Grins:: if nothing else, this will be a nice lesson on ODN's character for the rest of the world. I'm sure there are plenty out there who are better nation builders. Better with war mechanics. More experienced. But we're an ornery stubborn bunch of asses when you rile us up. I suspect TGH will get to see that first hand. There's nothing personal with this. I am looking forward to a long and good war with TGH. Most of them have been fine opponents so far. If I need to be reduced to a smoking pile of rubble, I am glad they will be the ones doing it! But in ODN we have a code of honor we live by. And the real test of such a code is not in easy times, but when facing overwhelming odds. So for everyone asking.... yes ODN considers itself at war with TGH. No we are not peaceing out because IQ did. Yes we intend to have a lot of fun with them on the battlefield. No this war won't be ending anytime soon, no matter how hopeless it is, not until *we* are satisfied that we've gotten what we need.

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6 months where most of the game can't attack each other. Brilliant.

I remember when we vehemently shit on the idea of a 6 month NAP because it was too long. Man, those were the days. Too bad they're far gone.

MEAT IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

6 month NAP? claps

The Iron Curtain falls as Stratagem annexes another Soviet satellite, The Communist International. Will Queen Stalin ever stop?

Since people are complaining about the 6-month NAP and the stagnation of the game, I'm looking forward to all the non-participants starting something up in the near future! As for those who fought in the war, it was good (and sometimes painful) fun while it lasted.

Ooh, what's this? A bonus! This one's for @Abbas Mehdi

This isn't really a post worth dumping on. We all claim to want dynamism but when an alliance actually does do something outside of the norm, from a position of weakness no less, they get shit on.

Let's look at the positive side of a majority of the game agreeing not to fight each other for 6 months: Alliances can cut expenses by getting rid of their milcom departments @Alex The next half of a year will be the perfect time to change/update the war mechanics, since nobody will be having any wars PnW can change it's name to the much cleaner and concise title "Politics... sorta" Less fighting will give us more time to find a new hobby to replace this one

Suffering with irl stuff Gib Coca Cola and meme production will continue

Let's put it in a different perspective. A lot of the critics of the 6mo NAP, could've helped tip the scales to reduce that term, or they had indirectly effected the war by hitting some supporters (IE: NB getting hit, when NB was initially on the supporting side against IQ). Other than that, this war could've easily gone another month or two months before a clear outcome would be established. The war mechanics nowadays makes it really hard to force surrenders, but IQ did have an advantage with their numbers and Air superiority. If a war was to be tilted to who would win, it'd involve one side having to drastically change their strategy. Our side went with a more guerilla warfare once we lost out on the Air, and they kept up with the Air strat. Any changes to those would've easily involved more resources being drained. So with that said, war could've easily lasted longer. Then after that a 3mo NAP, which is par for the course with most wars. So you're looking at roughly 4-5mos right there. This is a 6mo NAP. So it basically evens out when it comes to it.

Does that mean those alliances spelled incorrectly in the OP are allowed to start new wars? Like "The United Empire of Zaharon" or "Principlality of Zeon"?

Sneaky Smith, trying to persaude alliances to remove their milcom departments so TKR can come in and roll them all.

Well again. We dont consider ourselves part of IQ. We keep saying that, and it doesn't seem to sink in. Maybe this will help. Hell you said 'help your allies in the future, including NPO' but we dont HAVE any allies besides NPO. We're out here on our own on this one ::grins::. That means we have no support to help us, but it also means we are beholden to no one else. Hell, after NPO the alliance we admire the most would probably be Arrgh and we have no ties to them. And why do this? It has to do with why we exist as an alliance. To us its not about global politics or nation building. Again, it may not be the 'right' way to play compared to most alliances... but we aren't most alliances. We care far more for what we view as right and wrong, our code of honor, being able to look ourselves in the mirror.... all that far more for that than we do our stats. Everyone SAYS that. Everyone SAYS "if you mess with us we will war for months." We intend to LIVE it. Words are cheap. Actions show your character. If we let you just hit us for the reasons you did and then rolled over, it wouldn't say anything bad about TGH's character. But it sure as hell would about ODNs. Speaking purely personally, what do *I* want from this war? 1) You all will never admit it publicly. But when I look in your eyes, I want into your heart-of-hearts to know you are going "Yeah, it was probably stupid of us to hit ODN when they were sitting this war out." 2) More importantly, right now I don't sense or feel any particular respect from you all to us. That's fine. Respect has to be earned. By the time this is done, I suspect that (again, even if you won't admit it) your eyes will tell me a different story. ::Grins:: I want you to be going "damn those ODNers may not be xyz.... but they are some crazy ******" You don't have to like us. Think us brilliant fighters. Or savy players. But I *WILL* see that you respect our commitment, integrity, and resilience. And if you don't we will keep fighting till you do. 3) Most importantly. This is more than anything else about *ourselves*. We arent fighting to make you surrender (though you are welcome to surrender to us!) We are fighting for *ourselves*. We don't like how this war happened.... and we wouldn't like what it said about us if we rolled over on it. We see this as an internal test of our character. Can we go the distance. Most importantly at all, this war will end when we can look at ourselves and say "we satisfied our honor. We handled ourselves well. We put EVERYTHING on the battlefield. There wasn't an ounce more effort we could give. Not a dollar more damage we could squeeze out, not a day more we could struggle on. This is our best." I don't care what that is in total damage. Just that we know there isn't an OUNCE left to wring from ourselves. We want to go to that final limit. And we want to see what that limit is. And we want to surpass our expectations of ourselves. Corny? Maybe. Stupid? Could be. But the world would be boring if every alliance in it just did the "standard" "smart" move. ::grins:: Welcome to ODN land.

Anyone who put their names to this is pathetic. And anyone balking about the duration after signing the last global NAP probably ought to reflect on the precedent they set.

Finally... A knight themed alliance!

Official Disbandment thread: RIP House Tyrone 3/25/18-4/17/18

Hi, we're The Golden Horde. Let me introduce you to our Foreign Affairs Khan, @Settra. He'll get you acquainted with how we do things here. My 2nd-in-Command, you should recognize him from past prized topics that center around Dynamism, that's @Sketchy. We also have wonderful members, such as @Justin076, who take the time to really get involved with the community here. With that said, one of our goals here in The Golden Horde as a bunch of hungry conflict-driven Mongols, is to really get people involved through any manner possible. I'd say that so far we've been reaching our goals, whether people have enjoyed our antics or not. Now we just got out of a major war, which was really fun honestly, and we worked alongside with some friends and allies, and I told them that if they were to reach peace, then we'll go along with it too. I didn't want to abandon them and I wanted the people to feel that we were truly there for them. That's always a good way to establish good PR for an alliance. However, we see that an alliance didn't quite agree to peace and, while (un)fortunate.... Ah hell. SADDLE UP THE HORSES BOYS AND NOTCH THE ARROWS, LETS GO

frick you Kastor, Optional Defense Network must continue on!

You/CoS have never fought a war in your entire history. All you do is shit talk everyone else. You literally contribute nothing to the game anymore. So please, don’t say things like this when you do nothing. Would require TKR to do anything that wasn’t easy and handed to them. Would also need to use others as meatshields.

You know, I didn't particularly care about how long the NAP was, but now I'm glad that 6 months was accepted, because this salt is wonderful Since this option was so bad, I guess all the non-IQ people who fought in the war should've rejected it....or kept fighting to try and get better terms....or given another counteroffer.....or you know, not accepted it. But devious IQ got into their heads and forced them to do it guys! They're the real victims, Roq and his mind control are a threat to us all! Also good war overall, it was fun.

I was expecting a post like this when we declared and it never came smh

I didn't mean to counter anything. I'm just saying that since some people (including non-participants) see this as a move towards stagnation and are actively bashing it (and I agree 6 months can seem long), I can expect them to actively try start something up. Is that an unfair assumption to make? Those in the war actually committed a lot of time and effort to fight it, so I'm not going to bash those who were involved in the war. And last time I heard, even with a 3-month NAP Orbis had no wars for more than 6 months. Also, I don't think your TKR comment makes any sense. But okay I guess.

Thanks to all sides, IQ and non-IQ for interesting war. I'm proud that I might to fight for IQ. Fighting against Rose, Golden Horde, AIM and KT was a great pleasure for me, you are a good fighters (especially AIM). Ayyy lmao. BK STRONK.

Marginally better than a 3 month war that accomplishes nothing, but a six month NAP is ridiculously excessive. 90 days would have been plenty, 60 would have been ideal. Now the only fun to be had is placing bets on who merges into BK next.

gib reps ree

"Strong leftist," dude, that's an oxy moron.

What is exactly not accurate according to you? Frawley’s stats and this set of stats can’t match because he took steel something around 5000 ppu, if I am wrong there please correct me. These stats are taking steel at 3500 ppu. So if you know some maths you should be able to understand how values can vary. Units lost/destroyed are taken directly from the API provided by the game, so it should be completely accurate. I will say once again that infrastructure damage is directly taken from in-game Stats Tracker, which is known to provide unreliable data in some cases. I would like to point out how said tool has been used before for other conflicts and it was well accepted by then. There is no data provided by the game to calculate or ‘get’ infrastructure data 100% accurate, which is why the Stat Tracker has been used as it also is impartial, miscalculations are for everyone regardless of alliance affiliation. I can only grant you the issue with people deleting or leaving alliances fighting are not included there. Other than that it is you trying to deny what is obvious. You are likely to be in disadvantage when Frawley releases his stats, I cannot wait for the arguments you will make up to try keep painting you still as ‘winning’ by then. I will have fun quoting all of you.

Surely you guys can at least recognize the irony in all the accusations flying around that the non-IQ side is trying to spin facts in their favor and use their own biased metrics....by comparing BKs stats to NPOs. It isn't like Keegoz made his own stat sheet and we are comparing information from one side against the other, in which case both have potential incentive to massage the stats. Instead we have one side deliberately change its calculations to dramatically shift the damages (past and present) in their favor, from how they previously tallied it. Maybe Leos method is just more accurate than Frawleys, though much of this thread indicates very strongly otherwise. But even the most die-hard BK-stat supporter has to realize how this looks....

If your stats weren't wrong, then it wouldn't be propaganda.

You must be ex-NPO to buy into that propaganda piece. It's hilarious watching you IQ folk remain so insular, it's like watching the downfall of Sparta in real time. Unlike Sparta, however, IQ has yet to win a real war

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no sigs on the OP, fake peace, keep fighting boys and girls!

6 month NAP is whack. Frig IQ for that dumb shit. See your asses on October 18th.

It was fun whilst it lasted.

Trash.

Next time it'll be 1 year at this rate. xdxd

My excitement seeing TheNG has made a new thread is only matched from when I would see Ripper had made a new comic

I'm going to go with @Frawley. Every stat sheet he's put out has shown his "side" to be losing, but he's maintains poise and the degree of separation needed when doing this kind of work. His sheets have never been shown to have as many glaring problems as the one at the start of the thread. @Frawley, this one is for you mate.

^^ Imagine getting this mad over a video game. Only insults I'm seeing are from your alliance mate, element85. Should probably tell him to calm down some. Too much sodium is bad for one's health.

First off, I explained to the IQ leadership that my conflict (TGH/RW/IoM/NSR) was separate from theirs. We specifically and initially targetted OWR/Cerb/Polaris/TUE. If we had hit the Main IQ alliances as well in our initial strike, our stats would be far higher than what we have now. It wasn't until later that IQ merged our conflicts together by striking NSR with BK hits and the talks in the channel clarified that NPO views that conflict as one of the same. During that time, we were also contracted to expand our front, hence why we now hit any of those targets plus some (ODN, for example, since Protectorates coming in the fight was a thing - might as well preempt raid them to keep em occupied). So no, the strategy wasn't stat padding at all, but you're right there was more focus on other alliances outside of BK/NPO. Initially speaking, IQ had 3-to-1 numbers on us, and they had preempted KT. Might as well remove those that we can, then deal with BK/NPO as it comes. Now it's just an attrition battle. Those who go all Planes and those who go with the 1 Ship strat. Most other threats to our upper tier have been dealt with, and eventually if they do get dropped down (Which will cost more resources to do so), it'll basically return back to what it is now. Your upswing will stall out inevitably, and we'll be in a perma situation where neither of us can pin the other down.

Can't deny the fact that this is a nice propaganda thread. Does this also record the amount of reports your leadership sends in to Alex too, @LeotheGreat?