We are here for the whales - t$ DoW

[Prefonteen]

7 minutes ago, Grave said:

 

Still a better damage ratio than Mythic/ Test 

Economic growth? How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active and well stocked enough militarize in 4 days and obedient enough to declare nearly 2 offensive wars per nation? 

You match us numerically, doofus.

Your failure to coordinate isn't our problem. The insecurity and anxiety you experience over our amicable coexistence with you is something you've cultivated all on your own. We are not obligated to pander to that because its frankly hit ludicrous proportions far before our sphere became problematic in any way shape or form sizewise.

It's your prerogative to make an enemy out of us over that. Don't expect us to understand it or accept it.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Prefonteen

[Dr James Wilson]

13 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:

I think swamp's movements have definitely impacted what was a pretty okay working relationship. But then, anything to shear off a party that is "growing too fast", right?

Quite a few backroom deals you had there.

The king of the backroom making snark comments about 'backroom' deals.   Parti, you slay me.   Perhaps your past reactions to people raising concerns about your size shouldn't have been responded with the equivalent of "we should be commended for not being bigger" and maybe you should have done more to dissuade people of that opinion. 

 

Instead you said frick it and decided to hit a sphere and the ally of a sphere giving everyone the with that opinion the impression that their thoughts are correct.  Way to roll the hard six.

[Grave]

Just now, Prefonteen said:

You match us numerically, doofus.

Your failure to coordinate isn't our problem. The insecurity and anxiety you experience over our amicable coexistence with you is something you've cultivated all on your own. We are not obligated to pander to that because its frankly hit ludicrous proportions far before our sphere became problematic in any way shape or form sizewise.

It's your prerogative to make an enemy out of us over that. Don't expect us to accept it.

Just because you condem every player that doesn't do everything you say to not being a part of your community doesn't mean that this war is unfair anywhere but on paper. 

And we all know that.  

[Sisyphus]

14 minutes ago, Grave said:

 

Still a better damage ratio than Mythic/ Test 

Economic growth? How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active and well stocked enough militarize in 4 days and obedient enough to declare nearly 2 offensive wars per nation? 

You're right. We've been better at recruiting and training as well. 

Thanks for pointing that out for us. 

[Prefonteen]

Just now, Dr James Wilson said:

The king of the backroom making snark comments about 'backroom' deals.   Parti, you slay me.   Perhaps your past reactions to people raising concerns about your size shouldn't have been responded with the equivalent of "we should be commended for not being bigger" and maybe you should have done more to dissuade people of that opinion. 

 

Instead you said frick it and decided to hit a sphere and the ally of a sphere giving everyone the with that opinion the impression that their thoughts are correct.  Way to roll the hard six.

Shrug. This war would have occurred a month from now, but with us on the defensive. The lines of comms were there. The intentions were, the infrastructure was partially there and the narrative was there.

We sped it up and hit the two parties we *knew* would be informed. Then we gave you the choice to walk your talk about our relations and your intentions. You chose to confirm our suspicions, with alexio conducting some less than stellar shit in the process.

I'm extremely interested in seeing how this develops.

2 minutes ago, Grave said:

Just because you condem every player that doesn't do everything you say to not being a part of your community doesn't mean that this war is unfair anywhere but on paper. 

And we all know that.  

I have no idea why you believe our recruiting policies are in any way shape or form relevant to your insecurity over us.  What are you on about lmao.

[WarriorSoul]

35 minutes ago, Grave said:

Ever since then Swamp has attempted to chase after your rapid growth so we could even remotely be in a position to challenge you ourselves if you tried to become a hegemony, and the rapid rate of which it became more and more inconceivable was noticed by everyone and acted upon. 

feeling very threatened today by

*checks notes*

good recruitment, excellent nation building, and good coordination

 

damn what a self own

[BigMorf]

9 minutes ago, WarriorSoul said:

feeling very threatened today by

*checks notes*

good recruitment, excellent nation building, and good coordination

 

damn what a self own

This is all our fault Warrior. And Wizels i guess. Our IA Department is just too damn strong. Oh and i guess Econ can take some of the blame too.

 

 

[WarriorSoul]

5 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

This is all our fault Warrior. And Wizels i guess. Our IA Department is just too damn strong. Oh and i guess Econ can take some of the blame too.

 

 

IA best A

[Corvidae]

42 minutes ago, Grave said:

How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active

"How can we compete with activity?"

This is an argument that I've seen brought up before and I'm going to take this chance to stand on my soapbox and preach some Arrgh philosophy like it's 2016.

 

If you keep / allow inactives in your alliance, you are bringing harm upon your own house. Directly through inviting raids and wasting resources/time on countering AND indirectly. In this case, you see "1000 nations" formed into a pseudo-bloc when in the past both leading alliances (t$ and TKR) have shown willingness to sever ties to balance the political bubble.

Why? Because while you may remove purple diamond inactives that haven't logged in for months, you kept the people who aren't on discord. You kept the people who never responded to milcom rolecalls. You kept the people who refused to build a warchest. You kept the people who refused to keep a peacetime military.

 

You. Bring. This. On. Yourself.

 

Stop looking at how many members your alliance has and starting looking a little deeper than what color diamond they have when measuring quality. Make your political moves based on that, others will too. But keeping hundreds of members in a bloc and then being shocked when people consider your members in their own calculations is the dumbest possible option.

[Thalmor]

1 hour ago, BigMorf said:

Hedge: I can't believe Quack preempted us because we were planning to hit them!!! That's illegal right????

 

Perhaps don't plan to roll someone if you are going to cry about getting preempted. 

 

 

There's no evidence that Hedge was going to hit t$-TKR besides some vomit from Sphinx/Boyce. I believe this is because there were no plans to do so. 

Perhaps don't plan to launch an offensive war on a dumb CB if you are going to cry about being outnumbered.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

6 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

This is all our fault Warrior. And Wizels i guess. Our IA Department is just too damn strong. Oh and i guess Econ can take some of the blame too.

 

 

Its about time we see some accountability from you guys.  Now that we cleared that hurdle, I think we can really start to implement some meaningful change.

[Prophet of Profit]

7 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

I believe this is because there were no plans to do so. 

Thalmor, my love, this line simply doesn't work. We've got confirmation from both HM and Rosesphere that backroom deals already existed. You've got no one to convince but your own people - so you may as well drop the pretense.

It boils down very simply. We knew the hit was happening. We started it on our own terms, expecting Rose (and unsure of Swamp) to jump in. What I didn't expect was all the coverups. The cat's out of the bag, there's no point in keeping it up. We were being looked at because we have a competent gov/member base and numbers that rival (or exceed, according to a lot of folks in the thread) Swamps.

Did we take a slight chance on the cb? Up for determination and based on opinion. Were we right? Certainly.

[Smith]

12 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Its about time we see some accountability from you guys.  Now that we cleared that hurdle, I think we can really start to implement some meaningful change.

How about some accountability from your sir!

 

[Leopold von Habsburg]

17 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

There's no evidence that Hedge was going to hit t$-TKR besides some vomit from Sphinx/Boyce. I believe this is because there were no plans to do so. 

Perhaps don't plan to launch an offensive war on a dumb CB if you are going to cry about being outnumbered.

I believe plans were confirmed that you guys want to roll this war out in a month. Probably because of some last minute boosting and stockpiling needed. What advantage do we get from sitting there and waiting for you to come at us?

The stuff we are pointing out is that the entire game had backchannel deals that if anything happened to anyone then everyone rolls on us which is pretty apparent considering what ensued. So cry about these logs not being a credible source but you didnt do much to disprove their validity.

[TRM]

Picture of this thread trying to figure out who the real hegemony is, somewhat colorized. 

Creds go to Gerry.

[WarriorSoul]

29 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

There's no evidence that Hedge was going to hit t$-TKR besides some vomit from Sphinx/Boyce. I believe this is because there were no plans to do so. 

Perhaps don't plan to launch an offensive war on a dumb CB if you are going to cry about being outnumbered.

You can keep trotting this out, but given that Rose and Swamp alliances were countering within twenty minutes lends credibility to the notion that your agreements were already in place and it was just a matter of time.

[Justin076]

4 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

Perhaps don't plan to launch an offensive war on a dumb CB if you are going to cry about being outnumbered.

Perhaps don't march around the forums and private chats spewing some sort of "moral superiority" rhetoric when, for the second time in less than two months, you guys have crossed sphere lines with paperless agreements to dogpile a sphere. 

I mean seriously Thalmor, we both spent two years together in KETOG pushing for a multi-polar world where politics and activity isn't stifled and where more fair wars could ensue. By your own standards, Hedge has done more harm to the idea of a multi-polar world than any sphere in the game, including by a long shot, The Syndicate. 

Compare The Syndicate's record to Hedge. Hedge crossed sphere lines with Swamp to carry out a massive dogpile against TCW. Then, immediately after, laid the ground work to join forces again to roll another sphere. The only thing The Syndicate is guilty of since the end of NPOLT is economic growth. We haven't added ties and consolidated power, nor have we unfairly flexed our weight around on other spheres when we had numerous opportunities to do so. 

No one on our side gives a shit about being outnumbered. What we do give a shit about is one side spewing the idea that the Syndicate is actively trying to achieve hegemonic proportions, some comparing us to IQ, when in fact I'd put our record up against HM's or Swamp's any day of the week. 

[Prefonteen]

On 10/31/2020 at 5:58 AM, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

The rest of the game!?!? I will have you know that Schrute Farms is doing absolutely nothing, and is in now way assisting in our war effort.

This aged well.

[HeroofTime55]

1 hour ago, Grave said:

If even one bloc got rolled out of the game by you it would be too late for the rest combined to stop you by the time we noticed you were even trying and that's another problem entirely. 

Stop projecting your ambitions onto us.  At no point did Quack ever have any hair of a plan to roll anyone out of the game.  We had no plans to do anything but build ourselves in relative peace, until you decided to plot to roll us for "getting too big" (what a joke).  Your over the top hyperbole I fear is projecting your own designs for this world.  At least we know your game plan, thanks for letting us know.

We fought this fight last time and we'll fight it again.  And we will persevere.

[Thrawn]

4 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

Are you saying that a future war by multiple spheres was coming for us? Because that's why you were hit.

No, not quite. I'm saying that this entire war was engineered to weaken HM to lessen any future war potential against you. Not because you were eliminating any agggressors, but because you are the aggressor.

[Sketchy]

This slander against the mighty Syndicate can be tolerated no longer.

When we planned a coalition with NPO to strike at all the other spheres, and entered a war to provide much needed foreign relief to the Black Knights, it was for the greater good of the game! You can't dare compare that to this! Sure, the origin of our foresight into future aggression is also Sphinx, but its not the same!

Our record is impeccable, every single one of our many dominant deployments is perfectly justifiable! That you would dare compare our glorious strategic allocation of superior resources, to your pitiful and spineless canine accumulation, is downright unconscionable!

The consolidation of 1000 profitable nations was merely a tactical deterrent against the dastardly schemes of our devious rivals. Had we not been subjected to such unwarranted aggression, we would never have deployed those resources against anyone! We would have sat aside and taken no action at all undoubtedly!

[HeroofTime55]

1 hour ago, Grave said:

Just because you condem every player that doesn't do everything you say to not being a part of your community doesn't mean that this war is unfair anywhere but on paper. 

And we all know that.  

Thank you for the compliment to our superior skills and abilities, I guess.  Too bad you felt you needed to plot to roll us to make up for your own lack of comparable ability.

[Sval]

1 hour ago, Grave said:

How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active and well stocked enough militarize in 4 days and obedient enough to declare nearly 2 offensive wars per nation? 

Setting the bar pretty low here, aren't we?
If you find having a warchest and being able to declare two wars each threatening I can't imagine you get much sleep at night.

[Prefonteen]

9 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

This slander against the mighty Syndicate can be tolerated no longer.

When we planned a coalition with NPO to strike at all the other spheres, and entered a war to provide much needed foreign relief to the Black Knights, it was for the greater good of the game! You can't dare compare that to this! Sure, the origin of our foresight into future aggression is also Sphinx, but its not the same!

Our record is impeccable, every single one of our many dominant deployments is perfectly justifiable! That you would dare compare our glorious strategic allocation of superior resources, to your pitiful and spineless canine accumulation, is downright unconscionable!

The consolidation of 1000 profitable nations was merely a tactical deterrent against the dastardly schemes of our devious rivals. Had we not been subjected to such unwarranted aggression, we would never have deployed those resources against anyone! We would have sat aside and taken no action at all undoubtedly!

How's Odin's bank doing? Have you given it back now that he's your ally?

[Sisyphus]

10 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

This slander against the mighty Syndicate can be tolerated no longer.

When we planned a coalition with NPO to strike at all the other spheres, and entered a war to provide much needed foreign relief to the Black Knights, it was for the greater good of the game! You can't dare compare that to this! Sure, the origin of our foresight into future aggression is also Sphinx, but its not the same!

Our record is impeccable, every single one of our many dominant deployments is perfectly justifiable! That you would dare compare our glorious strategic allocation of superior resources, to your pitiful and spineless canine accumulation, is downright unconscionable!

The consolidation of 1000 profitable nations was merely a tactical deterrent against the dastardly schemes of our devious rivals. Had we not been subjected to such unwarranted aggression, we would never have deployed those resources against anyone! We would have sat aside and taken no action at all undoubtedly!

I am fooled.