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7 hours ago, Andreius1 said:

Stop talking and fight

Now only army divisions matters most, not who is wrong or who is right

Pew pew pew

Ah, yes, the "be a good unthinking drone" argument.  Be careful, though, lest you get booted as well for violating the gag order, lol.

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1 hour ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Ah, yes, the "be a good unthinking drone" argument.  Be careful, though, lest you get booted as well for violating the gag order, lol.

I think he's referring more to the fact that the debate has been repeated often enough that people can start to formulate enough of a conclusion to decide whether or not it is worthwhile to actually take the plunge of jumping ship or not.

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14 minutes ago, KiWilliam said:

I almost upvoted this comment, but near the very end there... idk. We are sworn mortal enemies Thalmor, but I will still pray for you since only God can save you now.

I have brought up Boyce's conversation with Vader, which is the only log in the OP of this thread that has someone literally saying that TM/Swamp would attack Quack. Even made a thread about it now. Hopefully he gives it the attention it deserves in the future. 

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1 minute ago, Phoenyx said:

I have brought up Boyce's conversation with Vader, which is the only log in the OP of this thread that has someone literally saying that TM/Swamp would attack Quack. Even made a thread about it now. Hopefully he gives it the attention it deserves in the future. 

What? I'm talking about a moral struggle here with Thalmor. You should take his advice.

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11 minutes ago, KiWilliam said:

What? I'm talking about a moral struggle here with Thalmor. You should take his advice.

 

I have listened. To a lot of senior voices. Not everything is happening in the forums. And the one constant I have found is this- absolutely no evidence that HM or Swamp were going to attack Quack first, other than Boyce's statement that it would happen. So my question is, what evidence is behind that statement? This isn't just a question for the past- this war is ongoing. Did it all start based on faulty information?

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1 minute ago, KiWilliam said:

Are you just quoting anyone who posts anything in this thread now and then not responding to what they say?

What is it that you think I haven't responded to? The moral thing? If so, sorry I didn't catch that nuance, but my point still stands. 

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20 hours ago, Andreius1 said:

Stop talking and fight

Now only army divisions matters most, not who is wrong or who is right

Pew pew pew

I was half kiddin' half serious 

 

My perspective why this global war emmerged, I may be wrong which I apologize

- Quack and any other blocs has been expanding much and like without having a "dialogue" between them (a cold war?)

- Grabbing and reintegrating a "ex-bloc" (TCW, TEst and Carthago) into a bloc, they had pretty good relations, so it is an opportunity for a bloc to bind them togheter again

- SWAMP and Arrgh war, a rising tension factor, the single bloc to be busy with wars when many others bloc are ay peace, gathering unwanted attention for future attack opportunities, creating tension

- Boyce's (TEst) leakeage is a good move, he proffited from what he has talked with Sphinx (TCW) his ex-ally back in the day, maybe he did that for his alliance, and to prove something in the new bloc Quack his AA recently joined

- TCW and TEst having good relations back in the day, ending in opposide sides, created tension

- Hedge bloc, becamed a target of Quack because of Boyce's leakeage, and maybe because of some hatred left behind from GW15

- The high tension of Quack and SWAMP & Hedge, and no "dialogue" to stop any other tension

- Quack militarised to 5-5-5-3, the last drop to start a conflict, Quack proved that they will attack and they will not talk

- Quack attacks on TCW and Hedge, made SWAMP to jump in the defense of his partner TCW, and maybe Hedge

 

And the reason why Quack is losing

- Forgotting Rose-Camelot-ASM bloc, major player in Orbis politics

Quack vs Hedge and SWAMP have somewhat a balance

The Rose-Camelot-ASM attack made the rest of Orbis against Quack attack

 

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On 11/14/2020 at 9:44 PM, Phoenyx said:

~Wall of text~

but I think for the sake of brevity

Lol do you know what brevity is?

17 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

War definitely benefits those that aren't directly in it.

In this case, that would be... Polaris and alpha? Wampus just got city 49, so I guess that's true!

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1 hour ago, Andreius1 said:

I was half kiddin' half serious 

 

My perspective why this global war emmerged, I may be wrong which I apologize

- Quack and any other blocs has been expanding much and like without having a "dialogue" between them (a cold war?)

- Grabbing and reintegrating a "ex-bloc" (TCW, TEst and Carthago) into a bloc, they had pretty good relations, so it is an opportunity for a bloc to bind them togheter again

- SWAMP and Arrgh war, a rising tension factor, the single bloc to be busy with wars when many others bloc are ay peace, gathering unwanted attention for future attack opportunities, creating tension

- Boyce's (TEst) leakeage is a good move, he proffited from what he has talked with Sphinx (TCW) his ex-ally back in the day, maybe he did that for his alliance, and to prove something in the new bloc Quack his AA recently joined

- TCW and TEst having good relations back in the day, ending in opposide sides, created tension

- Hedge bloc, becamed a target of Quack because of Boyce's leakeage, and maybe because of some hatred left behind from GW15

- The high tension of Quack and SWAMP & Hedge, and no "dialogue" to stop any other tension

- Quack militarised to 5-5-5-3, the last drop to start a conflict, Quack proved that they will attack and they will not talk

- Quack attacks on TCW and Hedge, made SWAMP to jump in the defense of his partner TCW, and maybe Hedge

 

And the reason why Quack is losing

- Forgotting Rose-Camelot-ASM bloc, major player in Orbis politics

Quack vs Hedge and SWAMP have somewhat a balance

The Rose-Camelot-ASM attack made the rest of Orbis against Quack attack

 

The war started because we received credible intelligence that there was an active plan to roll us come November. It's clear that from how you all immediately countered our blitz with a well organized counter blitz spanning three massive spheres that there was already a coalition in place. Even IF it was purely defensive, it flies in the face of the fact that ya'll keep talking about wanting mini-spheres while creating an apparatus to have 2/3 of the game join in on a beat down of one sphere. 

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32 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

The war started because we received credible intelligence that there was an active plan to roll us come November.

 

Was it really though? I've made a whole thread on this allegedly credible evidence for anyone interesting in discussing it:

 

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2 minutes ago, Phoenyx said:

 

Was it really though? I've made a whole thread on this allegedly credible evidence for anyone interesting in discussing it:

 

Yes, we know you're holding desperately and tightly to this narrative, but no one else is buying it, including many on your own side of the war. Go convince them, you aren't going to convince us. 

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17 hours ago, BigMorf said:

I really enjoy reading your crazy spin. 

 

 Did you read the logs?? Sphinx was pretty clear about the idea of offensively hitting Quack, not just talking about a defensive arrangement. 

Sphinx is also the same guy in the war a few months ago, as a leader on the losing side declared to everyone that the war was over based on a conversation that he had with Akuryo.

Take that as you will.

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36 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

Yes, we know you're holding desperately and tightly to this narrative, but no one else is buying it, including many on your own side of the war. Go convince them, you aren't going to convince us. 

Why not try to show each other's cards? Wouldn't it be good if we could know if Boyce had any other source other than Sphinx? And especially, where did he get this tentative timeline? On our side, I would definitely like to know who the HM leader was who told SRD of this effort to "counter Quack's growth" and what measures were allegedly planned to accomplish this. Can we agree that answering such questions would help uncover the truth?

26 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Sphinx is also the same guy in the war a few months ago, as a leader on the losing side declared to everyone that the war was over based on a conversation that he had with Akuryo.

Take that as you will.

Exactly. Could it be that Sphinx was feeding both sides faulty information? Ronny, do you know who this HM leader's source was?

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