Sval

Well, you've got a point there.

It's everything I ever dreamed of.

I was going to go after CTO, until I remembered I'm already hitting that.

"All those valid reasons you have for hitting Camelot are not valid!" Signed, Camelot

Not sure what this has to do with anything I said. I'm pointing out that going in with a larger force and an eye to win is, always will be, and always has been a tactic used on Orbis. Few start a war without some advantage, whether that's in numbers overall or tiering. Either way, somebody will brand it a dogpile. It's people spinning narratives, as it always is. Don't like the larger aggressor? "ZOMG a 10 vs 1 dogpile!" Don't like the alliance being hit? "Good luck, have fun!"

It's true. Knowing there aren't 700 nations in Nexus fills me with such undue pride.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of those 700 Nexus nations standing at my back. Could you peddle your 10 v 1 narrative a little louder please?

10 vs 1? Imagine my surprise at discovering Nexus had 700 nations... But yes. We waited until Camelot shat the bed and left itself completely devoid of allies, rather than hitting them while they were party to a bloc we have absolute zero beef with. I'm sorry prudent planning does not meet with your approval.

The whole "fair fight" versus "dogpile" narrative has always been a fascinating one. Say whatever you will about the fun of a fair fight, people still like to win. Deliberately balancing wars only really makes sense strategically when the sole purpose of the war is simply to fight and test yourself against an enemy. If you want to pin down your enemy as quickly as possible, and simultaneously minimise your own loses, it's going to be the overwhelming sledgehammer approach almost every time. It's just the most direct way to do it. We're not here to test strategies, we're not going to sit on them for a year to drive them out of the game, and we're not going to be presenting them with ridiculous terms that violate game rules. We're here to give Camelot a black eye for past grievances. This is how it's done.

Absolutely not. I find the idea of trying to run people/alliances out of Orbis to be utterly repugnant. It's exactly what Camelot an their long-lost allies once tried to do to us.

Something something historical grievances

When you're in Camelot this kinda stops being an achievement...

TL;DR: "We have legitimate concerns!" "No you don't!" "Yes we do!" "No you don't!" "Yes we do!"

Expecting Camelot to conduct themselves with any semblance of honour is always going to end in disappointment.

I have no idea what's going on, but I'm proud of myself for almost reading it.

I am incapable of change. Ducks what?

Thank you

Better late than never! We at Knights Templar Order of the White Rose understand that war is hard. And some alliances are better prepared than others. This is just a fact of life in Orbis. Even though Templars OWR are better prepared, organized, disciplined than alliances such as, say, Order of the White Rose or House Stark Hollywood; we God Portato-fearing folk wish to teach them the ropes of how to fight competently kick back and have a little fun. So, without further delays, we wish to get this RoH DoW posted on schedule a little later than originally planned, unlike the inexperienced heretics fine friendly folks we are fighting. You got your counters done finally guys, now it is time to post those DoWs! Let's all have a good time! Deus Vult! All the best! Signed, Sval Prime of Order of the White Rose PS: Thanks to KT for the template. I learned a lot from our war.

Camelot: "We've changed since we were in IQ! Please forgive us, Orbis!" Also Camelot: This. Give 'em hell.

Ultimately, it's always my fault. It's been an honour and a privilege to stand by your side. After all we've been through together I'm proud to Carthage family. Here's to many years more.

The game has been much less toxic with you all gone. So far this thread has not convinced me that you're going to be any different this time around. Your "apology" was literally, "I'm sorry my in-game actions had negative real-life repercussions for people. But hey, at least I didn't do all this other OOC stuff that no decent person would ever do anyway." I believe you are sorry. Sorry that your actions had consequences, but not sorry for the actions themselves.

They didn't want to They actually did They made it their one and only goal for literally months They levelled that intent at anyone and everyone who didn't agree with them. They broke the game rules on a scale of thousands of players, to raise billions of Dollars, for the sole purpose of driving people from the game. I don't know what you think you're shovelling, kid, but it sure doesn't smell like roses.

How you can even attempt to justify something like this is beyond me. What's wrong with you?

This is a tough one for me. See, NPO and their allies didn't just want to beat their opponents. They wanted to literally destroy them. They wanted to run them from the game. And when we refused to enable that, they added my people to the list of those to be driven from Orbis. There are some still present within the community who did more to facilitate NPO's efforts than others. Forgiveness is something I still struggle with. But here, we have the one person who did more than any other to enable it. Here we have the person who literally gave Pacifica the tools, the economy, to do the job. The person who almost empowered NPO and IQ to destroy Orbis, and many of the alliance communities that have been built up around it for many years. I don't know if I can forgive that now. I don't know if I ever will. I won't try to drive you from the game, .But forgiveness may be more than some of us can offer. Best of luck.

DOE with no protector and only 2 members? That's exactly how my alliance began. Good luck.