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I don’t know if this is the right place for this, I’m not exactly in the best of mind after learning this. PnW player and friend to many, Gojira has passed away. He kept in contact with some of us as he underwent surgery earlier this year and we all had hoped for the best. Unfortunately, we have learned he has passed on. For those of us who were friends to him it’s devastating, he leaves behind his family and they have a go fund me to help during this time. Please help how you can, and if you knew goji remember them well. https://gofund.me/feff7989

[TLDR] Greene: "Merge into 770." Us: "No, thanks. We're good, let's be friends." Greene: *sends raids, sees them getting smacked down and nuked repeatedly because we don't care about the cost because we're experienced low tier raiders who decom'd cities or entire nations to begin with* Greene: Uuhhh... pls mrg?.... Waffle House: 770, we respectfully decline to retain you as protectorate. Waffle House: Replaces 770 with DEFCON-5 as protectorate Us: *kek* Mr. Greene: When your member informed you she was leaving 770 to join a new alliance being formed, she was very nice about it, and even gave you a parting donation. She didn't have to do either, but that's just her, so she did. You were like ok cool I understand, then the day after we form, you're sending raids at us. And your government members seemed to mostly be in the dark about that (examples below). The only thing you've managed to do is having Waffle House replace you with us as protectorate when they dropped you, and make yourself look... Well.... Anyway.... To the other who Archs: What's up with Greene? lol.... Seems that within the last couple hours, he just kicked me from the server... To the members of 770 et all: Here's why Greene is sending your 7 - 8 city tier at an 8 member alliance, starting with the conversation between him and Powerpuff. More pics in comments because it says maximum of 1000kB. It gets rather entertaining lol.

>Epi destroys Pantheon by slithering into the leader role >Many argue that Epi = Camelot >Epi also destroys Camelot by slithering into the leader role >The two situations are far too similar, so one may argue Pantheon = Camelot >If Pantheon = Camelot and Camelot = Epi... >Then Epi = Pantheon >Pantheon destroyed Camelot #ItWasPantheonAllAlong

🤣 A single 20 day old Junior Associate brings more talent to the table than you could ever put forward Charles.

The plot has thicken ladies and gentlemen. Epi has done some pretty messed up stuff these past 3 weeks And it seems to only be getting worst for EPI Below are some screenshots that were leaked to me from inside Camelot ill let you be the judge on what you think these screenshots mean Tune in next time to KNN.

tl;dr someone recently played stellaris

valid cb, I'll see you tomorrow

Unfortunately, Gojira joined Guardian only shortly before his surgery, but in that time we got to find out how great of a guy he was. Our lives and community were enriched by him, and this news has left us in mourning. RIP my friend.

The one thing that has been around forever, but makes no sense is the Alliance War Page not actually showing if the member had won or lost the war. Instead it just states Victory/Defeat. On the other hand the nation war page displays the actual result. So I suggest changing the alliance war page to include the exact war result of the participating alliance member. Alliance War Page Nation War Page

Nah, even we have standards.

Arthur made a thread because Epi and him felt guilty over their role in the worst war the game has ever seen. I'm salty at Epi and Arthur because they're human beings with empathy. If only I had been leader, we wouldn't have stepped down to those Kerchtog people! My current allies mean nothing to me, and I enjoyed every single moment of rolling them. The only dark stain on that war isn't how long it was extended, how IQ did peace, NPO's involvement, hitting former allies for making mistakes mid war, ridding the game of thousands of players, making the game unplayable for an entire side for 8 months... no no no, it's that NPO started cheating in month three of completely dominating the game. The coercion to delete the game minimally impacted the game as a whole... I could tell you to delete and you wouldn't. Now, if I were to hold you down for... let's say the 3 months that the war went "legitimately," with members of your own government telling you that we're not allowing you to even get close to a peace talk, with members of their government willfully admitting that they have no plans to ending the war, even in private conversation between friends they're telling you to just dodge out because they're talking in the leadership channel about how to make the war last as long as possible. Strangely... I'd think you'd delete like the thousand + players that left Kerchtog during the war. Ah so if you would have been fine if the war ended in November? After Kerchtog already had 300+ deletions, at least a hundred vms, and many more on purple? After six months of sitting on Kerchtog... Over two months of GPWC being a thing... yeah, I agree completely. The war was completely justified to last six months. Sure, it would've been great to have saved us from the final three months of the war... but ya know what, inflicting either six months or 9 months of an unplayable game onto half of the game without remorse shows that you're a total !@#$. Strange... why would a group of experienced government get high gov? It's such a strange question... why would these people, who have been government for top alliances for years, get to join our high gov. It's completely astounding! By God the horrors they'd inflict onto us. No longer could Cam ever be ruled by us... the true government of Camelot... Oh God, if only. Thank God for Eclipse, now we can 'win the game' without having to worry about getting partnered with people of more experience. Normally I don't respond to such bull shit, but this time, I'm going to respond to this bull shit. Pushing out old gov members to try to reform Camelot's image. Excuse me if I am wrong, but post merge, you spammed the gov channel post merge about how Camelot did nothing wrong. It was only NPO who did the bad, that Camelot was blameless, and that adding GG&FU to the alliance was sure to fail. Oh and let's not forget you literally trying to poach Cam government in the government channel. Maybe I'm absolutely bonkers, but even I would not poach the government of an alliance in the government channel... and then a year later start !@#$ing about how those who left with me were pushed out... You're also mistaking something huge here. The idea of a "reformed" Camelot was mostly Rose posturing. The difference is - Camelot gov felt accountable for their actions, Epi and Arthur agreed they did bad, so they apologized. It's called accountability. I'm sure it's a strange concept, but when you do something bad, you apologize and you strive to make sure it doesn't happen again. Why did Camelot apologize - because Camelot held itself accountable for its actions... maybe your position in gov didn't get you privy to all the good bits of information, but Camelot had already been planning an apology prior to the merger. Rose had been "touching it up" and they were prepared to apologize. Another... very startling thing to notice is that you don't see holding the game hostage for months as a wrong doing. You were happy to inflict lasting damage so long as NPO didn't cheat... that's incredible. Also, you wouldn't know this because you got removed and took your band of salty kids, but damn near all of Camelot government expected to get rolled at the nap. Even Rose was prepared to get hit. If you told any member of Camelot gov post merge that apologizing would save them from getting rolled, they'd laugh at your face and tell you to wait for nap to end. We felt assured that we'd get rolled for a month before they peaced out and we'd continue with our lives. That's what we expected, and we planned around it. If I hadn't already given up on politics I'd sit around and wonder why six people upvoted this garbage. Since I no longer care, I'd like to send you the customary response for any union member... F U

Yes, congratulations, it took you long enough to realize it. It's already a miracle that we've been able to get this far. You have to see it to believe it. Not at all, no one in this game wants a group of alliance dominating literally the highest tier of the game . And i'm not talking about just Blackwater or Rose but literally everyone that isn't Hollywood, in case you didn't realize. Furthermore, It's far from being the least effective tier to consolidate. In GnR, Grumpy dominating the whale tier allowed HW's high tier to recover which then allowed HW's mid tier to recover. Again, snowball effect. Without Grumpy, Hollywood would have surely never been able to win GnR (unless Roasis Inc does an unimaginable massive throw). Another important aspect to take into account is that contrary to what some people seem to think, the new war meta buffed whales asf, updeclares have been nerfed and downdeclares buffed. A c45 is several times stronger than a c35, because you can take advantage of your superior military and switch between ground attacks in some wars and dogfights in others to pin your opponents. Unless we are completely outnumbering 3:1 or more you like in the current war, it's almost impossible to drag and pin your megawhales down if they keep rebuying. In fact, I do think that the combinaison of Rosesphere+Blackwater is literally the only possible way to beat Grumpy, since Mystery and Oasis whale tier is way weaker and their megawhales non-existent. You're purposely underestimating your own strength just to fit your own narrative, vainly. GW18 is the living proof of the huge impact Grumpy can have on a war despite only being whales. So, you can either recognize that Grumpy is way too strong and basically destroys any kind of fairness in 1v1 sphere wars in the whale tier which then snowball on the entire war, or you can stay in denial like TKR. Hypocritical ? Are you kidding me ? Is this coming from someone in an alliance that dogpiled thrice in a row, and where most of the whales almost haven't lost any pixel for 18 months straight now ? Seriously, you are the one being hypocritical here. Do you really think the rest of the game would allow you to dogpile their whales forever and never do anything about it ? If you are really thinking what you just said here, you are really pathetic my dude, just saying. I could even bet that I singlehandely took more damages in gw16 (1 war) when you dogpiled us than some Grumpy megawhales did in gw15, gw16 & gw18 combined (3 wars). You're welcome.

Didn't know you switched sides, friend! Good to see t$'s lord and savior is once again here to argue on our behalf.

So lets address CB's. Why do we give a !@#$ what we use as a reason for war in this current meta? We don't gain anything from war, no reparations, no imposed sanctions or restrictions. Nothing, not a single benefit at all. Literally the only use for CB's at this point in time is to give people on the forums a topic to argue over, seriously it's kinda pathetic. Since you guys struggle so much, here are some simple CB's for you all to use: - Cut down to size (You are growing too fast or are already too big, we want you to bleed) - Humiliate (for you guys with old grudges you want to settle but have no valid reason, just fight you chickens) - Containment (You are doing something that is pissing everyone off, stop it) (this can be warmongering, unjustified actions or overbearing attitudes in past peace conferences) - Ideology conflict (for alliances with RP reasons to have conflict, FA actions or alliance culture) - Retribution (Justification against people who are housing players alliances are holding a grudge against. This could be traitors, spies, unjustified raiding done either directly by the alliance or indirectly through means such as leaving and joining raiders temporarily. Or hunting people who have unpaid debts or stole large sums of items/money) Obviously you should expand upon these few concepts. Try and actually format it correctly, explain the reason why you are going to war, if you have any. Then give a list of steps the others could potentially take to prevent the war (to open negotiations early, even if they are extreme), then give a method of how you plan to reach your goal. If we are trying to beat up Grumpy are you going to just hit them for a week and ditch or do you plan to nuke every one of their cities to rubble? Clearly outlining these methods will give you a diplomatic advantage in negotiations as it demonstrates the planning and effort put into this war before it even started. An alliance will be less likely to continue a war if you can give a detailed plan of what your end goals are, being all mysterious about whether a war will last 2 days or 6 months only makes diplomacy harder, an end goal is far more useful. Feel free to discuss any of the stupid shit I have said, I just want to see this crap actually dealt with and not just left with the shit we have which is basically: "Oh we thought they should be punished" or "Well we gave a reason in paragraph 7 of our monologue" TLDR: For CB's: Give a reason, Expand upon reason, Explain what your end goal is, Why it can't be reached peacefully, how do you plan to achieve your goal.

Pantheon remains undefeated.

nah ima just hit who i want whenever i want. Then i can make memes about it.

Google doc with all the images would be easier next time. That way you can put all your images on one doc and not have to deal with the limit.

I met Goji on PnW sure. But it was IRL where he helped me the most. Offering me advice, help, pointing me in the right direction, giving me his personal LinkedIn and mentoring me and just more then anything patiently being the fabulous man some of us got the pleasure of knowing. Honestly there are no words. When Goji told us about his battles you wouldn't have known from the outside. He was always the optimistic one, the one having a joke and the one who glued our disjointed family together. Gonna miss you, to the stars my friend.

RIP JM.

I am so sorry to heard this, Kinns just broke the news to us in Guardian. In the short time we knew him, he was a kind, and nice person. He will be missed for sure.

This has to be the most meaningless argument to come from your side yet. The fact of the matter is, consolidation of power of any tier is extremely bad for politics and the game. It's a major !@#$-block and only leads to more lopsided wars like we see today. The only alliance in the game guilty of such is GoB so I'm not sure where you're going with this argument. The upper tier is where control starts Hodor and you've been around long enough to know that. Wars are fought top-down. You control the upper tier and it sort of dominos downward since down-declaring is much more effective than up-declaring. As has been said, we don't even need to get into the mechanics or details because war history speaks for itself. Ten-Day wasn't a dogpile? Duck Hunt wasn't a dogpile? GnR was supposed to be a dogpile had things went your way. 3/3 on intent, 2/3 on execution.

RIP Goji, you showed how you were an amazing individual over the short time we shared

Man that's sad to hear. We will certainly miss him in our community over at Guardian

Rest in peace lad. I barely knew you but I did enjoy our interactions as brief as they were.

I dont believe I ever talked to him, but from what i've heard you sound like a wonderful human being. Rest In Peace.

Goji. You were easily one of the kindest people I've had the pleasure of knowing. Always making me smile when things got low and making sure I kept my head up. I was crushed when I heard the news. I still am. It honestly doesn't even feel real... I am honored to have called you my friend and will always cherish the time I had with you. Love you buddy. Now rest easy for me. ♥️

From the onset of this war, our goal has been to deal with a common looming threat and not to exact a vengeful price on those on the periphery. Black Skies have demonstrated that they do not wish to participate in the ongoing conflict and that they are not a threat to our coalition. Towards that end, we have agreed to peace terms, which are as follow: 1.) Black Skies agrees to return and remain in their peacetime standard of military readiness, agreed to as 3/0/5/1. 2.) Black Skies agrees to not launch wars against members of Coalition A (including all members of Blackwater and Rosesphere and associates), and agrees to refrain from providing aid to any member of Hollywood, through any means. 3.) No new wars will be declared between the two sides, but all existing wars are allowed to either run their course or be peaced out. ---- Signed for the Black Skies, Alan, Commander BigBoom, Quartermaster Signed for Carthago, Daveth - Suffet Krampus, Asierith and Gallant - Elder Signed for The Legion, Totem, Imperator Istandor, Proconsul David Ben-Gurion, Consul of Foreign Affairs Kiwilliam, Consul of Internal Affairs Michael Lybrand, Consul of Military Affairs Signed for Church of Atom, His Holiness, Pontifex Atomicus - James II Primus Inter Pares - Keza Purple Cardinal of Foreign Affairs: Kongo Jack Cardinal of Internal Affairs: RandomNoobster Cardinal of Finance: Soxirella Cardinal of Protection: John Baraboo Signed for Eclipse Vein & Pascal, Commanders Signed for Sword of Sanghelios Arbiter - Christian Kaidon - Jaden Oracle Master of Warfare - Flamescove Oracle Master of Diplomacy - Grabacr Oracle Master of the Interior - MorganL Oracle Master of Machines - Scatheon

Your argument is nonsensical because nobody is asking GG to give up their whales or anything of the sort. All we’ve done is point out how dangerous the GG tie is due to the combination of a dominant upper/whale tier and Guardians ‘competence’, so I don’t know why you are bringing that up. What we are doing is hitting you to prevent your whale tier from consolidating even further and to atleast partially dispel the invincible reputation that attracts a lot of whales to GoB. The whole ‘fix your economic policy’ argument is shifty because changing taxes to 0/0 will do very little in attracting whales, (look at TC) because anybody who’s looking for a 0/0 alliance is 9 times out of 10 looking to farm and grow. Joining any 0/0 alliance that isn’t on GoB’s side is counterintuitive for these people because if they do then all that they are doing is signing up to eventually be rolled by GoB because of the fact that their whale tier dwarfs any other, which means they won’t be able to farm and pixelhug very well if they sign up to a rolling every time their alliance faces GoB. This means that going to war is literally one of the few things you can actually do to close the whale disparity since: 1. It slows down growth and shaves down the stupidly expensive infra levels so many GoB whales run because they’re barely touched. 2. It helps to atleast somewhat mitigate with GG’s reputation of being untouchable and the #1 place for unaffiliated whales to go. I don’t think anybody could have proven how little you know of the war and econ mechanics than you yourself did just here lmfaooo.

This argument is so worthless and so stupid for so many reasons that it becomes laughable at this point. I'm no FA man, so i'm not going to write a 5000 words well-written essay showing you how dumb you are, as t$ is doing that well enough already. So i'll just come and destroy your examples with what I know best, maths. You compare Grumpy and e404, and that they have both taken about 50 billions damages in GnR, which is true. But you forgot to mention, mind you, that Grumpy peacetime daily income is 1.8 billions/day whereas e404 daily income is of "only" 500M. Which means that it takes e404 almost 4 times longer to recover from GnR than it does for Grumpy. 1.2 billion per member in GnR ? 900 millions in DH ? Lol, that's peanut for whales, your members make 60-70 millions per day on average, that's not even 3 weeks of income to recover from a global war. Using absolute values to justify yourself is just stupid in every single way possible, if you use relative values or ROI, your damages taken are basically nothing compared to others alliances. I see that you didn't mention gw15 either, since i'm guessing your damages taken there are at an all time low. So right, all Grumpy did since the end of NPOLT was dogpiling not once, not twice, but thrice in a row in the whale tier (gw15, gw16 & gw18), basically destroying any sort of concurrence every war (tCW in gw15, t$ in gw16, Rose in gw18) and snowball from there. The results of this snowball effect are today very clear, since GG holds alone about half the megawhales in the game. But right guys, let's not forget that "t$ man bad" and "Rose man bad" for dogpiling you once now. It's obviously t$ and Rose's fault if they are behind Grumpy to this day after all, right ? I'm amazed how your group of dogpilers/pixelhuggers whales even somehow convinced people like @Dryad that Grumpy is a "warmongerish" alliance. Lol. tl;dr : You are a fatuous pixelhugger, and a dogpiler.

What an epic and strong alliance that I am very not biased towards

I don't really talk alot on the forums, but i do want to correct you that you are simply "OP" because of the amount of whales/megawhales you guys have. It doesn't necessarily mean you are a good fighter either, you simply know how to click the "dogfight" button and thats all there is to it. This game doesn't require you to do alot when you have easy mode on and i don't blame you for it. As for why bollywood declared on you guys is quite simple honestly. Rosesphere clearly wanted revenge on you guys for dogpiling them in guns & roses. While you might not call it a dogpile because mystery and oasis jumped in, what would of had happened if they didn't? your intention was clear as daylight, to make it a dogpile against rose. I don't think you guys are stupid and I don't believe your side thinks we are stupid either, lets be honest. Hollywood deserves this rolling. As for GG let's be real -> Last time GG lost score (got rolled) was 2 years ago during dial up and that was a very slow death where it took months for GG to properly die. This was about time and deserved, now lets enjoy the wars please and thank you. There is too much salt though i'm quite enjoying it.

I like how you have so little arguments that you have to rely on Dryad to find one that suits you. My points were about Grumpy (which you of course all ignored, lol) but if you want to talk about Eclipse and me, sure, let's talk about it a bit. Dryad doesn't know anything about in-game politics or how it works behind the scenes, he's just a raider after all. Qualifying Eclipse of pixelhuggers because we didn't get the occasion to fight a war (until now) is just stupid on his end. But you SRD, as a leader, you probably know that you can't start wars at anytime whenever you want either, in particular when you're in a sphere (and I'm not the kind of person like you who goes for dogpiles because "why not ?" either). If it makes you feel better, Eclipse proposed it's help to t$ for gw17 and we would have happily fought in defense of Quacksphere at the time, however t$ didn't require our help so we didn't push as they were fine with us not involving. I don't really understand why you are insisting on my raiding past either (which was during the Arrgh & Mythic days). There is literally nothing shameful in being a raider before lmao. I'm now completely dedicated to Eclipse and yes, I put my side & my alliance interests above my personal interests. You don't seem to know anything about me anyways (it feels like you only learned of my existence 3 days ago lol) so who even are you to judge me ? And jesus, I literally just proved how stupid your last paragraph was just 2 days ago in the same thread wtf, stop bringing it back. 1 billion is literally nothing at your scale. IIRC, I took about 2.5 billions damages in gw16 alone, and I was only a c34 with 2700 or 3000 infra/city at the time. Can you say the same, Ronny ? Rhetorical question of course. I'm at least glad (and surprised) that unlike some blind TKR simps or SRD, you recognize some of my points (and actually read my posts, which SRD doesn't seem to do). Now i'm not going to come back to those points because I more or less agree with you. I answered to your post in the first place because it was quite obvious that you were trying to delegitimize our reasons for this war using the classic "you're hypocritical" argument (at this point you can just use this one every war tbf) and purposefully trying to reduce the weight Grumpy has in the game. It's pretty clear to me for several reasons that I mentionned in my three previous posts that the victim and "GG isn't OP" narrative your alliance tries to spread is utter bullshit, and GG has absolutely no right to complain about being dogpiled currently after all they have done in the past year and a half. For these reasons, I'm not sure why you're expecting me to be friendly with someone like you in an alliance like Grumpy, who supports a cause that I know is wrong and way more hypocritical than ours. You judge me by my words, I judge you by the actions of the alliance you defend. The actions of your alliance do not deserve the slightest empathy. As for the aggressiveness, it's not like your side was crystal clean and never insulting/trolling either, so welcome to the internet I guess ? Thanks for the advices, but I don't need them.

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There are several things which dictate whether a stance/narrative is consistent or flimsy. Time it's been held for (and whether it was ommitted or not at an opportune time), maneuvers made during such time, etc dictate such. Our stance has been such for years by this point, held by people of vastly different backgrounds (so much for it being a grudge), and backed by yes, several actions; in fact, the only time t$ and GG worked together was during NPOLT, the latter half of which at that, and given the state of affairs at the time, I'd say was more than understandable to be the extraordinary exception. It's also remained in spite of, yes, some of said actions failing. That doesn't detract to the stance, but rather add to it because it shows commitment to it in spite of adversities. All in all, it is inarguably one of the most consistent stances in this game, and arguably the most consistent one. Just to contrast it with another stance, I'll take your alliance's about minispheres. Credit where credit is due, Chaos was most certainly one. But then you got smashed by KETOGG. NPOLT happens subsequently and we arrive at Quack. It was most certainly not a minisphere, but I won't at all hold it as a mark against you due to the stuff I have already mentioned in the original DoW thread (iirc), and given the genuine effort I had seen been undertaken to accommodate for such sphere. We fast forward to GW16 where Quack gets rolled as basically a result of a paperless machination, and past that, to the dissolution of Quack and the forming of HW. Which was, at the time... kind of a side grade to Quack. In the interim between GW16 and that, I noticed that your gov both in public and private shifted to more or less a stance of "Well we would really like minispheres but they can't reeeeaaaaallly be made to work because people choose security first.", and when presented with a clean slate, your government goes with this side grade kind of thing and pretends that things are okay and still consistent with the stance they had. That's basically where it was readily apparent to people that you had gone full on for security and were just trying to suit the narrative to fit it. That's where, imo, an inconsistency that had no real justification to exist popped up to undermine your stance. And it's not like it's changed ever since. If anything, it's been doubled down on. Perhaps overly drawn out, but I felt that it was warranted to address it properly. Mainly because, quite frankly, your take was exceptionally poor. The rest of the post was also addressed in some way or another here, so I won't bother rehashing.

Although I did not personally meet him he seemed to be one of the kindest people in the world rest in peace and well wishes to his family.

I love Waffle House!

No shit sherlock. It's in his fricking city names even. It's not exactly a mystery we are just screwing around.

I was the LordJesus account that you saw in the third screenshot. He was been deranged and a lunatic, he doesn't trust anyone in his government and had decided on kicking out people who he did not like, from those who pointed out his hypocrisies and so forth. I got invovled when he told a member, not a government member, a regular member to !@#$ off. I told him to show some fricking respect and stop being a crybaby. He went on to say that he didn't trust anyone and went completely off the rails. I told him if he was going to act the way he is, he should not be leader (hense the "If you're going to be a crybaby about it, you should not be a leader"). After continuing on being a fricking psychopath and a lunatic, arsing himself to everyone with his big trumpet of a mouth, I told him that he was acting like 10 year old who got his smartphone, laptop, console and his ego taken away by his mother. He didn't like that, obviously, so he kicked me alongside Hatebi, Uriah, another user by Destiny Dawn and many other people, just because he couldn't accept reality and instead decided to live in this own fricking world in his head. If there was one thing I said right was this: I was seeing the beginning of what I saw in Pantheon when half of it's government members left. I know, because I was one of them. But, this is far worse than that. Unfortunately, some decisions were made by the High Government to keep Epi, even though they clearly talked about the tyrannical, lunatic, stupidity he was going to dig himself into. They made that decision and now Camelot as a whole has to pay the consequences for their actions. This is clearly Pantheon 2.0: Electric Boogaloo.

Someone should cut them up into a gif image and add it as Camelot's ad in game.

I honestly think that in a way TLE and the raiding alliances helped cause Camelot's decline.

Patrick: "NPO wasn't bad we should have kept fighting. Alex was wrong to ban them. I was just following orders. *Gets kicked* Patrick: "Stop reforming Camelot it was better when we were trying to get people to delete"

Yes, we dogpiled you for the entire... 2 minutes? Before Rose counter-blitzed. We had info that they were joining in. This has already been gone over. I won't bother responding to the rest of it because frankly it's a ramble bordering on coping. Glad to see GoB's finally taking damage that actually matters, and that it's knocked you so out of norms that you're unable to respond nearly as well as you usually do.

POV : you have no counter-argument

Zig damages dealt: 538m Pre damages dealt: 2.2b Let me know when you want some tips, rookie.

what do you except from an alliance that literally allows its members to whatever they want including being inactive, and have no discipline. Its gonna be shit. Have fun winning your war.

Well, the time has come, I haven't really spoken to this about anyone, however my time in Orbis has come to an end, If you dont really know who I am / or havent really met me you don't really need to read beyond this. (not exactly a major figure) So for those of you who know me, I won't go into details on my departure here, but feel free to dm me on discord if you want. For a Nation over 1120 days old, I've had much less of an impact then many others, but like to believe I have also left my mark, Starting out in Pantheon, I wasn't really involved in much, and was happy to rule my nation and essentially be a pawn of war, However as panth's gov collapsed and split in two, I left to forge a new Path, this is where my farewells begin, General Farewells First, to all current members of Brotherhood Family I would like to apologise for my sudden departure, you took me in after a long period of absence from the game, and gave me a home once more, I am extremely grateful for this and I wish you all the best for the future. To all former members of Dual Suns, I guess this is also an apology. First sorry for leaving as suddenly as I did, as I am about to do to Brofam i guess, During my time of absence before returning and Joining brofam, despite still being in the discord server, i did not notice its governmental struggles and collapse following the departures of high-gov members that shortly followed mine. Unfortunately we shall never know what would have happened if i had returned before such struggles, and for that i am sorry and to round it off, to all former members of the Felgrand Order, I thank you for joining my little alliance in the first place, allowing it to grow from 1900 score to over 62000 by the time of the alliance's merge. But also allowed it to grow into a great community aswell. You all put your trust and faith in both myself and the gov that worked with me, you all have my best wishes moving forward in whatever you may do. Special Mentions To all gov members I ever worked with, I thank you for your hard work, efforts and communities that you have helped to create Duncan Croford - sorry for any issues my departure causes, you're a great president for Brofam, and i wish you the best of luck in your tenure LLojsa - thanks for letting me into brofam and giving me my last orbis home Sval, and all of OWR - My gratefulness of your accepting of Felgrand as a Prot on its foundation cannot be expressed, you enabled me to build the community that saved my interest in Pnw Borg and E404 gov - My thanks for your aid in the formation of Dual suns as well as use of locutus(quite literally a life-saver) Larzarnis aka Gerry the pink ranger - Thanks for just being you, and all the help you ever gave me, you have been a great friend Dream - last but not least, to you I am most sorry, you have been a great friend of mine from first joining the allinace, building your way up to FO 2ic, to now being a prominent figure in orbis, You have always been enthusiastic, encouraging and wanting to improve, I hope these are qualities you never lose, for your future should be bright. Thanks all, Arthfael, Ruler of Deheubarth, Former Grand marquis of FO, former Sun of DS, and deputy-minister for IA of Brofam