Pascal

Team First Contact (small effort, reference to ayyslamic crusade)

Bi-annual disclaimer that Goober is not representative of Eclipse's opinions and has no say on FA matters

Wait ... you do not know ? It's because ....... Rose is more than just an alliance. Rose is a people and a purpose. It is a brotherhood of like-minded players who wish to make some noise and have fun during times of peace and conflict - but also serve a higher purpose by contributing value and meaning to the game around them. Thus, Rose is an alliance guided and held together by the core values of a true community, where those within make sacrifices for one another and stand together even in the most adverse of events.

I'm not going to bother answering a 5k word essay with another 5k words, especially as this discussion is going in circles. We all have lives, and I have important matters to handle, such as climbing to Iron 3 on LoL 🙏. So I will just reiterate my key points. Your entire RoH and rhetoric revolve around self-victimization and questioning why "Rose bad" in an obvious and desperate attempt to create a new narrative of "Eclipse bad." This is getting tiresome and redundant. You keep insisting that we are not addressing the fictitious issues you've concocted in a sophistic attempt to discredit us. Your acting remains extremely petty and disingenuous. We, like any other major alliance, receive criticism for our actions and will continue to do so. Now I will readdress the two main points below. The "FA meta" has been like this for years, albeit with some slight shifts. I still fail to see the point of your argument (which is absolutely pointless) emphasizing Eclipse's responsibility in this "FA meta." Everyone contributes to it, and nobody is solely responsible for it. What exactly do you expect us to say about this? We are simply playing the game, so are you, so is every other major. You aggressively accusing us of being a main component of it and supposedly "shaping the public discourse" (Lmao?) won't change anything. Again, Eclipse assumes full accountability for all its past and present actions, whether the public deems them good or bad. The same way, you also have to assume accountability for yours. If you're not happy with it, cope harder. Forums are not the best place for actual change. Your sole actual argument with substance is about our many MDoAPs. You argue, to sum it up, that it is unfair, only using arguments that can be seen by an uninformed public. First, I personally think your FA politics and blatant dogpiles/dogpile attempts over the past 3 wars are much more unfair and deserve to be called out much harder since you like to call us out for this. The "political climate" I'm talking about revolves not only around public treaties but everything altogether, which you know extremely well. For instance, you know perfectly well why this war required Eclipse and House to work together. You also know (or should know) why we do not receive the same scrutiny as you do for our current treaties. Your argument here is extremely hypocritical and shouldn't even require an answer from me. But so be it, our current treaties are certainly not going to last forever if that can comfort you and the public reading this. In short, your discourse is riddled with self-serving narratives and a refusal to acknowledge the bigger picture. You prefer to deflect and project blame onto Eclipse while hiding behind supposed larger systemic issues instead of addressing your own realities. We are not downplaying anything, you are the ones emphasizing and desperately attempting to create new narratives in your favor. We are not perfect; we deserve some criticism, and so do you. Your attempt to shift all blame onto Eclipse, when we are actively attacking you for the first time in over 2 years on these matters, is shallow and petty. Keep crying about it, you are the only party crying right now, and for good reasons (different public scrutiny and all that). (Btw, I agree with Sketchy's answer above, a more concise way to summarize most things rather than all of this public blame shifting attempt bullshit).

We're not framing you as the "bad actor". Everyone thinks of you as the "bad actor" right now because of your past and recent actions. General belief is not a narrative. Your repeated actions are the primary driver of the anti-Rose sentiment. It stems from you, not from some supposed Eclipse-crafted narrative. Nobody else shares your concerns about the "FA meta" nonsense and supposed Orbis stagnation—except you. Why? Because you only share this sentiment because you're getting rolled by us right now. That’s the only reason you suddenly care about it. You even admitted to benefiting from it yourself in the past. I don't recall Eclipse avoiding criticism for our moves—nor has any major alliance. We’ve faced just as much as you did for similar actions. If Rose is being vilified now while Eclipse is not, maybe you should look inward instead of pointing fingers. The part about the Casus Belli was simply to mean that you are not better than us or anyone else in that aspect; nothing else was meant to be implied. When you roll someone without CB, you don't complain or invent out-of-subject narratives about imaginary problems, so why do it now? Either way, my own reasons (after the RoH, you'd be right to mention that) were given in private in our embassy, and shall remain as such. You are only criticizing only the visible part of the iceberg when you innocently argue that we have lots of MDoAPs. But not questioning the current political climate around it while enumerating all our visible on-paper treaties is also rich coming from Rose. As an alliance specialized in backroom FA, you know what I mean. Our moves are not here to satisfy and be justified by only what an uninformed public can see. So, with this said, this argument does not need to go further. I will note here, however, that you do operate a double standard between your public FA and backroom FA—does that remind you of one of your arguments? With all the above clarified, I still don't see what we are supposedly deflecting from. You are trying to invent an imaginary issue that you accuse Eclipse of being responsible for. Are you accusing Eclipse of being on top because of a supposed handcrafted FA meta related to NAPs and megaspheres that Eclipse is, again, sole responsible of ? That is just nonsense, and you know it. So let's be clear: we are not deflecting, and we assume all of our past FA moves, including the ones that led us to roll Rose today, to your great misfortune. You accuse us, among many other intangible things, of NAP cycling and stalling Orbis, but you are no different. You are, in fact, arguably worse when it comes to being a cause of FA stagnation. This is not me spinning again, this is the popular belief. So, to answer both of your questions directly: Eclipse operates with a different scrutiny than Rose because we are not Rose (shocking). We don't share your history. Feel free to acknowledge your past that led to this war, or live in denial. We assume ours, including the times we got rolled. Our actions are not "excused." They are a result of the political climate, which includes both public FA (what everyone can see, like right now) and backroom FA. The mix of both is why you are currently vilified and Eclipse is not. Eclipse takes full accountability for its actions - whether they're questionable or not, both successes and failures. You do not need to make up imaginary problems supposedly negatively impacting all of Orbis because of Eclipse- that is untrue. Instead, now may be the time for you to quit your emotional arguments and for Rose to take accountability for their actions in Darkest Hour, the One-Day War, and more recently, Darkest Hour 2. You are still denying your own accountability for one of those in private. With some research, maybe that will answer your questions as to why Rose is in the situation they are in today. If the new Rose administration is truly committed to change, start by owning up to your past actions before accusing others of all the ills of the game for your personal gain. This is a poor act from you.

Good update idea

On behalf of Primo's work (who is struggling to login on his forum account right now so he sent me his images on discord), here are the proofs of the work in progress to prove its authenticy :

I think that reducing the updeclare range to x2 or x2.25 would make more sense. I'd also agree that nukes , and even missiles, could use a (slight) increase given they're both overly cheap at the moment.

An equivalent of NPOLT today would be a 10 trillions damage war

Truly is not Mythic

I sign Pascal -signed Pascal

KECC is finally back after 3 years

Funniest Event : Someone spending a huge amount of money to buy RON :deeznuts: and is now considered influential by sum noobs who don't understand anything to the game Best Discord Server : DNN

Player of the Year: Velyni Vas Most Influential Player: Vein Most Likely to Succeed in 2024: Franz Best Alliance Leader: Pascal Worst Alliance Leader: Vein Best In-Character Poster: Goober

@Vein do we know this guy ?

That is just full cope. We were "allies" (a rather one-sided relationship since November, tbqh), we also know how you really felt about t$ along with certain other parties. You can keep plotting against Sail & ODOO with your own third parties, sorry I meant your "closest friends", without trying to involve us now.

Alliance of the Year: Knights Templar Most Improved Alliance: Carthago Best New Merged Alliance: Singularity Best Rookie Alliance: Weaponized Assault Penguins Best Alliance for New Players: Eclipse Most Likely to Succeed in 2024: Carthago Most Likely to be Rolled in 2024: every top 5 alliance is getting rolled this year Most Honorable Alliance: Anything that is not House Stark Best Fighting Alliance: Eclipse Worst Fighting Alliance: Every sub 30 micro Best Alliance Growth: Rose Best Foreign Affairs Team: Eclipse Best Foreign Affairs Move: Dodge This Worst Foreign Affairs Move: every House Stark's move this year Alliance with Best Propaganda: Singularity Most Missed Alliance: Shuba666M Biggest Alliance Decline in 2023: Wei & co (The Cypher)

Wow wait, you are now using the great Syndicate's gw22 strategies :serious: ??! Insane !!

If I join as an applicant can I be granted c54 right away ? 🥺

1 year

My sincerest condolences

Hope that you will like my answers (I answered seriously)

bro it's not RON

:deeznuts:

We're blitzing Aurora next