Popular Post Isjaki Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 When Orbis as a whole decided to move to the minispheres model, the idea was to seek ‘political flexibility’. By political flexibility, the idea, I believe, is that the blocs don’t fight the same set of enemies in every global (like IQ vs EMC or Syndisphere vs Paracovenant) and fight different blocs based on changing political objectives, or maybe even for plain fun. Indeed, the ideal minisphere world would be one where we have short, fun wars like Surf’s Up, where all the spheres act mutually independently and don’t try to play world police. Unfortunately, not everyone seems to believe in this version of minispheres, least of all Lord Tyrion, leader of TI and one of the most important people in Oasis. Attaching some screenshots below, all of which are publicly available in RON. The implication is clear, TI, and Oasis as a whole, are willing to play world police and intervene in wars they have no business intervening in based on how ‘threatened’ they feel. Multiple normal blocs will coalesce into single super-blocs when external pressure is (seemingly) applied. Wait, there’s more. Apparently, Tyrion’s definition of minispheres are rather different from what most of us think. I am sure there might be some of you reading this, thinking, “Hey, this is exactly what minispheres are! Why is this bad?” This is bad because, in the past, most wars have been tossups and milcom actually had to work hard to ensure victory, coming up with tactics like tier-locking, planes only etc. Over the last few wars since NPOLT, it has become easy to predict the eventual victor from the first few days. While this obviously means that competence has taken a hit, this also means that those who have been starting wars have been exploiting minispheres to hedge their risks. No self-respecting alliance leader in this game will greenlight a war these days unless they have a reasonable degree of assurance about the outcome. Thus, wars naturally tend towards being ‘uneven’, if not outright dogpiles. The price is paid not by the experienced Orbisians, but rather, by the new members, the bloodline of the Orbis community who keep the game alive. As the new members VM or quit due to fighting against unrealistic odds, Orbis as a whole is worse off. Okay Isjaki, we get it, minispheres have failed to work as intended. So, what is the solution? Once again, we go back to our good old friend Tyrion for his opinion. That’s right, going back to a duopolistic Orbis is our best option. Wars will be drab, standard and boring, yes. But at least, both the sides will be more or less ‘equally’ matched, and competence, not numbers, will dictate the outcome. “That sucks, Isjaki” you say, and I agree, it absolutely sucks. Unfortunately, we can’t have nice things, since Oasis has made it clear that they will seek secret treaties. When one bloc makes it publicly clear that they will seek secret ties, other blocs naturally have to seek secret ties of their own (or get rolled out of the way) until we end up with a duopolistic Orbis. Rather than having a glorified 2 sphere world, united by secret treaties, maybe it would be better to have an actual 2 sphere world. 1 31 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Why is everything so bold lmao 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isjaki Posted December 13, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, MinesomeMC said: Why is everything so bold lmao Statements about the great and glorious Tyrion must be written in bold 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 My god it's happening again. Somebody ring up the old folks and ask them if this looks like 2015 brewing a storm again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eumirbago Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 The only thing this game needs is for The $yndicate and its allies to be the perennial king makers. This is the best thing that can happen for the game. 2 1 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenStar10 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Isjaki said: Finally, Public admittance to these treaties so no one can try and say they were not real. 1 Quote Hammer Councillor of The Lost Mines Diety Emeritus of The Immortals, Patres Conscripti (President Emeritus) of the Independent Republic of Orange Nations, Lieutenant Emeritus of Black Skies, Imperator Emeritus of the Valyrian Freehold, Imperator Emeritus of the Divine Phoenix, Prefect Emeritus of Carthago, Regent Emeritus of the New Polar Order, Coal Duke (Imperator Emeritus) of The Coal Mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Titan Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 Wait is Tyrion admitting he actually had secret treaties? So what I've learned: 1. We were correct in assuming Oasis literally refuses to fight any war that isn't a dogpile, or at least heavily in their favor. 2. Oasis can't be trusted, just assume they always have secret treaties, therefore they're always the enemy. Ily for this isjaki. Keep up the great work. 😂 10 2 2 Quote Peace in our time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifex Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I CAN NOT BLAME ANYONE FOR FEARING CLOCK BLOCK TO THE POINT OF COWERING WITH ONE'S MILK-MATES! ALL SHOULD FEAR US! MUAHAHAHAHHA Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Zei-Sakura Alsainn said: My god it's happening again. Somebody ring up the old folks and ask them if this looks like 2015 brewing a storm again. @TheNG @Kriegskoenig My friends, looks like we're getting the gang back together. Quote Peace in our time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidude45454 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Isjaki said: This is bad because, in the past, most wars have been tossups and milcom actually had to work hard to ensure victory, coming up with tactics like tier-locking, planes only etc. Over the last few wars since NPOLT, it has become easy to predict the eventual victor from the first few days. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this like, really false? In fact some globals were even more skewed and the term "dogpile" barely even existed in the meta (if at all). I feel like the only thing that made the openings to wars more interesting was that competency vs. numbers was more pronounced and sphere/bloc treaties were activated significantly differently than today (Will read the rest of the post later more in detail) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I personally don't see why being an opportunistic bloc is bad. Oasis plays the For Sale Meatshields for all other spheres and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with selling yourself for use by others. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenStar10 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) So, are we heading to a publicly bipolar world then? @Isjaki And how soon? Edited December 13, 2021 by JadenStar10 Quote Hammer Councillor of The Lost Mines Diety Emeritus of The Immortals, Patres Conscripti (President Emeritus) of the Independent Republic of Orange Nations, Lieutenant Emeritus of Black Skies, Imperator Emeritus of the Valyrian Freehold, Imperator Emeritus of the Divine Phoenix, Prefect Emeritus of Carthago, Regent Emeritus of the New Polar Order, Coal Duke (Imperator Emeritus) of The Coal Mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keegoz Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 Can also add to the fact Tyrion was perfectly happy to break the recent NAP agreement to get out of being rolled. He also more or less sold out Minc to do it. 10 1 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KindaEpicMoah Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, Isjaki said: Almost like the point is that you're not supposed to have inter-sphere treaties that are purely reactionary and defensive because it stagnates the game... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sval Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Minispheres were never going to work the way some people wanted them to, because they don't address any of the underlying causes of political stagnation on Orbis. 4 Quote <~Sval[OWR]> I am your father.<+Curufinwe> Can confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, Isjaki said: competence, not numbers, will dictate the outcome. That’s a bold stance, all things considered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grave Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Be careful, with all that spin you might get yourself into a corkscrew nosedive and crash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcyr Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Isjaki said: Okay Isjaki, we get it, minispheres have failed to work as intended. So, what is the solution? Once again, we go back to our good old friend Tyrion for his opinion. That’s right, going back to a duopolistic Orbis is our best option. Wars will be drab, standard and boring, yes. But at least, both the sides will be more or less ‘equally’ matched, and competence, not numbers, will dictate the outcome. Except that was an argument against 1v1 minispheres because it would always encourage the smallest bloc to expand to be bigger to avoid being an easy target. Whereas LT was suggesting using temporary team-ups that can vary from war to war depending on circumstances, with actual politics deciding what any groupings end up being. Now, differences of opinion are of course going to happen, but it seems weird to quote LT's opinion of what would happen in your version of minispheres as part of an argument against his version of minispheres when you didn't actually address the concern at all. Edited December 13, 2021 by Alcyr 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isjaki Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Alcyr said: Except that was an argument against 1v1 minispheres because it would always encourage the smallest bloc to expand to be bigger to avoid being an easy target. Whereas LT was suggesting using temporary team-ups that can vary from war to war depending on circumstances, with actual politics deciding what any groupings end up being. Now, differences of opinion are of course going to happen, but it seems weird to quote LT's opinion of what would happen in your version of minispheres as part of an argument against his version of minispheres when you didn't actually address the concern at all. Minispheres are meant to be independent regardless of how small and how large they actually are. Maybe some of the smaller spheres, if they are concerned about getting rolled, can sign prots within larger spheres. You can't have both safely and independence just as you can't have your cake and eat it to. Different alliances from the smallest bloc can join different larger blocs to keep the relative bloc sizes in equilibrium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Eumirbago said: The only thing this game needs is for The $yndicate and its allies to be the perennial king makers. This is the best thing that can happen for the game. If you want a picture of the future, imagine cheeks getting clapped - forever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Gary Scott Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Isjaki said: “That sucks, Isjaki” you say, and I agree, it absolutely sucks. Unfortunately, we can’t have nice things, since Oasis has made it clear that they will seek secret treaties. Mystery has also made it clear that they will be seeking secret treaties 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammad Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Honestly, let's make it like dodgeball in high school. We get 2 captains, and they take turns picking thier teams, and then we go at it. NAP for X months, then repeat, wiht new captains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcyr Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Isjaki said: Minispheres are meant to be independent regardless of how small and how large they actually are. Maybe some of the smaller spheres, if they are concerned about getting rolled, can sign prots within larger spheres. You can't have both safely and independence just as you can't have your cake and eat it to. Different alliances from the smallest bloc can join different larger blocs to keep the relative bloc sizes in equilibrium. Huh, so small blocs group up with larger blocs for safety permanently instead of temporarily. That sounds like you'd naturally gravitate towards a 2-sided world. I feel like I've heard that recently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Gary Scott Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, JadenStar10 said: Finally, Public admittance to these treaties so no one can try and say they were not real. they admit they had a secret treaty during Guns n Roses on Thalmor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darth Revan Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 Minc and Oasis are basically what happens when you hand micro leaders a big alliance. 4 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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