Prefontaine Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 There's the current top 20. Lets have a little fun shall we? I want people to rank the top 10 alliances (out of the top 20) in terms of relevance. The parameters of relevance may be different to each person, to me it's how influential on world politics they currently are, and have the potential to be. Maybe you will weigh fighting ability more, or score more, or average score. There isn't some set rules, go with your gut. Which alliances do you think are the most relevant. Feel free to give a why if you'd like. 1. TKR 2. NPO 3. Syndicate 4. Guardian 5. Knights Templar 6. Black Knights 7. Rose 8. Terminus Est 9. Church of Spaceology 10. Grumpy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 1. Pantheon 2. BK 3. Fark 4. Polaris 5. Bad Company 6. Fighting Pacifists 7. Seven Kingdoms 8. Dark Brotherhood 9. Acadia 10. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 If I go by current waves, the ranking will be 1) TEst(got that X-factor) 2) BK(Chain Treaties) 3) T$(Hidden Evil) 4) KT(They have Horsecock) 5) Pantheon(Relevant if you are looking to extort/statpad) 6) Rose(The mother of all alliances) 7) GoG(Seeker's discord pic is UI goku ffs. They gotta be on this list) 8 )Polaris(Vanguard bloc) 9) None 10) None 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalev60 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Fake news! TKR, NPO, Test and forget the rest, there fixxed it for you ^^ 1 Quote Charlie Chaplin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun -George Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1. BK 2. GoG 3. NPO 4. BK 5. NPO 6. GoG 7. BK 8. GoG 9. NPO 10. TKR IQ Stronk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lossi Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1. BK 2. TKR 3. GoB 4. Guardian 5. KT 6. TEst 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? 10. ??? BK and/or TKR are bound to be the center of a war soon enough KT and TEst are the only alliances that seem to have enough guts to fight anymore GoB and Guardian no more is required they've earned their spot. 2 2 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Loshi said: 1. BK 2. TKR 3. GoB 4. Guardian 5. KT 6. TEst 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. ??? 10. ??? BK and/or TKR are bound to be the center of a war soon enough KT and TEst are the only alliances that seem to have enough guts to fight anymore GoB and Guardian no more is required they've earned their spot. I'd definitely put Guardian above GoB. Without Guardian GoB would be in a very precarious place, though they could easily attach themselves to any sphere's hip if they wanted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lossi Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Prefontaine said: I'd definitely put Guardian above GoB. Without Guardian GoB would be in a very precarious place, though they could easily attach themselves to any sphere's hip if they wanted. For obvious reasons, I would as well. But all of my ratings were kind of duos, I didn't put much thought into order. TKR/BK are important cause they're going to have a war. KT/TEst are important cause they're willing to start wars. GoB/Guardian are important cause they turn wars. So its more like 1/2. TKR/BK 3/4. GoB/Guardian 5/6. KT/TEst. [and if I put Guardian above, people would have whined and complained about how bias I am] 1 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Loshi said: For obvious reasons, I would as well. But all of my ratings were kind of duos, I didn't put much thought into order. TKR/BK are important cause they're going to have a war. KT/TEst are important cause they're willing to start wars. GoB/Guardian are important cause they turn wars. So its more like 1/2. TKR/BK 3/4. GoB/Guardian 5/6. KT/TEst. [and if I put Guardian above, people would have whined and complained about how bias I am] I'm biased with TEst being above CoS/GoB in my list, but I also know more of what we're doing versus what they're doing which is why I placed them where I did. On my list the last three could easily be in any order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyGamer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Not accurate at all, but personal opinion. TKR Syndicate KT BK NPO Guardian Terminus Est Bad Company Rose Pantheon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lossi Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Prefontaine said: I'm biased with TEst being above CoS/GoB in my list, but I also know more of what we're doing versus what they're doing which is why I placed them where I did. On my list the last three could easily be in any order. I mean if you want my real opinions on the top 20, all you really gotta do is sit around on the PnW discord for a bit. I got something to say about all of them except Grumpy and Guardian. Grumpy cause from what little I actually know about them, they've earned my respect. Guardian, because there's no point in complaining publicly if I can say it directly to my leaders. ? 1 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 I can't make a list. The majority of those alliances been around for a long time, and yet sat on their asses for well over a year doing nothing. 9 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Buorhann Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Actually, I'll humor this. The only alliances in the current Top 20 that's relevant are TKR, BK/NPO duo, KT, and possibly Syndicate and/or CoS. Given the moves they've made. If the alliance didn't make the list, they're either hanging on the coattails of other alliances or they simply don't do anything relevant at this moment. TKR - They've contributed to disbanding Nuke Bloc and shortly declared another war afterwards. They've got the largest core group of nations than any other alliance in the game at the moment, and as recently pointed out, have the largest group of high tier nations. Probably the most active community as well. KT - For the LONGEST time they've dealt with trolls taunting them to war, and when they finally did, they showed a lot of promise. Within a timespan of 4-5 months, they've managed to deal with dogpiles from NPO/BK and TKR/TCW/TRF. The fact they've managed to put up good numbers during that and still come out relatively ok (They rebuild pretty quickly) shows how much promise this alliance has. Participated in the longest conflict and fought against the two largest groups in a short timespan. Also part of a group of alliances that's not tied to the treaty web clusterfrick, so they could be considered a wildcard in the balance of major powers. BK/NPO - BK consolidated members and alliances into their growing hivemind. If they don't suffer a lot from attrition and maintain high organization throughout their alliance, they'll easily be the next powerhouse if they're not already (They'll get to #1 score soon). Recently started to raise their average city count, which was always a problem to deal with if you were on the opposing side. NPO initiated a war alongside with BK and raised their city count as well, but other than that... I put them together since they're pretty much besties and show good cohesion with one another. This treaty between them pretty much reshaped the game and continues to do so. Syndicate - Since the snek took command, he went out to repair what Syndicate had lost and made clear statements of Syndicate's position given the previous obliteration of treaty ties (While maintaining them as "hidden" ties). Him and his leadership core looks to be taking Syndicate back to it's roots with helping fledgling or demoralized alliances with their Protectorate care strategy that saw them successful early on. We also simply cannot ignore that Partisan is arguably one of the most influential members in the community. CoS - With the consolidation of DS into their ranks and Ripper as their lead (I still think Manthrax leads, but that's my own opinion), they have a lot of potential of making moves. It's just a matter of not making a frickup and whether the DS people are willing to deal with the boredom of their high tier status. CoS is still relatively low on my relevant scale, but I can say more about them than most other alliances not on this list. Edited August 28, 2018 by Buorhann 9 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Buorhann said: CoS - With the consolidation of DS into their ranks and Ripper as their lead (I still think Manthrax leads, but that's my own opinion)... Ouch... Sorry, Buor... You got it all wrong. Seb is the actual leader. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ripper said: Ouch... Sorry, Buor... You got it all wrong. Seb is the actual leader. Well, that just removes CoS from my list~ 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Top 20 without all the inflated score looks more like: As for who is most relevant. 1. NPO or BK (depends on who you consider to be the leader of IQ) 2. TKR 3. The Syndicate 4. Rose (and rapidly falling) 5. KT 6. TEst (Assuming they do anything) And that is it. TCW belongs to TKR Pantheon and Guardian belong to t$ GotG, Polaris and Acadia belong to IQ. Bad Company belongs to Vanguard who belongs to IQ. So like, bottom rung IQ now. GOB can't hit anyone now that SA is all in VM. TFP will just help Guardian (t$) or Rose SK idfk The Enterprise literally is t$ CoS hasn't done anything since formation because Manthrax is a coward. Maybe Ripper will change that but we'll see. Not that relevancy matters much when everyone sits on their hands. Edited August 28, 2018 by Sketchy 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNG Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buorhann said: I can't make a list. The majority of those alliances been around for a long time, and yet sat on their asses for well over a year doing nothing. "Hey have I told you guys how TGH has spent the majority of its time since formation fighting wars? That's pretty cool right, I'm sure I haven't mentioned it before. Because you know that most of the alliances just like to sit on their asses and not do anything, not like us who fight many wars against the biggest coalitions in the game. That us being TGH, a very tough war alliance, of course. Hi, by the way. My name is Buorhann, I lead a really cool alliance that fights a lot of wars and does stuff called TGH! You probably haven't heard of us, but we fight a lot of wars, spend a lot of time doing it too, unlike all those other alliances who only like to sit around and not fight long wars like we do. Hey, have I told you guys about the last war we fought it, it was very recently and very long too! We're good war fighters, if I do say so myself, haha" Never change Buor ? Edited August 28, 2018 by TheNG 18 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Prefontaine said: I'd definitely put Guardian above GoB. Without Guardian GoB would be in a very precarious place, though they could easily attach themselves to any sphere's hip if they wanted. So without our allies we would be in a precarious place? That sounds like every alliance, but I am glad you care. But Grumpy is currently the greatest 1 round opponent the game has to offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Or 30 rounds! All hail our top ten overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 We should do micros next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Radoje Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 I won't include TKR/TCW because you already know I'm gonna blow smoke up our own ass. I'll let other people speak for us. I'll focus on internal sides of the alliance, and ignore FA (because everyone already talked about FA and I have nothing new to add).3. NPO - One of the most consolidated and well ran governments in the game, they have immense discipline as an alliance. 4. Guardian - They have a well ran system of growth, their internals are squeaky clean and they are probably historically the best fighting alliance in the game.5. Rose - An alliance with an untapped amount of potential. Where they stand right now is not where they want to be, and given time down the line will become a top 5 alliance again.6. The Syndicate - They are remembered and probably still regarded to as an economic powerhouse. A lot of their other systems leave things to be desired, especially their recruitment alliance, but t$'s econ by itself is godtier.7. Grumpy - I'd honestly put them as #1, due to the sheer amount of capital they could create by simply existing, but than again they're an elite whale alliance, so they don't have impressive internals because they don't need them. Anybody would love to snatch up Grumpy to their side, and why wouldn't they.8. Brown Knights - I would've honestly placed them as number 4 if not for the fact that their consistent merges leave their community scattered all over the place, their government constantly having to adapt to each other, and some relatively bad choices for their cabinet. Don't get me wrong, their econ systems are not terrible, their academy is one of the oldest ones existing due to Strum and Yoso, and they are a true competitor when it comes to economical capital.9. Church of Ripper - Even when you just take a glance at these guys on a sheet, you already realize how beefy they are. They have an immense amount of potential in the future, and if not for older alliances with more experience, they'd be a lot higher on the list.10. Knights Templar - KT is a good alliance on paper, but is heavily reliant on a few individuals to keep the show rocking. Nevertheless, they are true masterminds when it comes to IA member manipulation, they fight excellently during war, and their community is fanatically loyal. Now that ET is finally gone, they also have an immense amount of potential, and in half a years time will probably creep up on the top 5.11. BC - A community that is very disciplined, they keep their warchests squeaky clean, their core membership is very impressive for their size. The only thing thing to be desired is better leadership and FA direction/decisions.12. Acadia - They have the freaking Pigeon, and considering the fact they get rolled every 2 weeks, it's seriously a miracle they're still alive. The fact that they brush it all off and rebuild every time without problems is mind boggling, the amount of effort, discipline and government stability it takes to achieve such a thing is impressive, and they certainly deserve a spot up here. The Pigeon comes back every. single. time.13. GotG - Seeker's alliance is one I wouldn't have even included here a year ago, but they have come a long way to today. They went from a crappy micro alliance to becoming something relatively good. They keep their tiers squeaky clean, they cause the least drama out of any IQ alliance and their government line up is very consistent.14. Pantheon - Props to Panth for still being alive. Their bank management is embarrassing, their recent recruitment drive has left them unable to grow their membership and their warchests are terrible. Their raiding policies are a joke considering they raid half the known world and somehow always get away with it without getting rolled. All that aside though, Fist is a great milcom leader, and given another 6 months, Pantheon will most likely become a relatively influential alliance again. As it stands, it's a miracle they're alive, or more so that they're in the top 10, so they deserve to be included. Honorable Mentions (Not top 20):Polaris - An Alliance that shouldn't even be regarded to as a top 20 alliance, but be remembered as IQ's pubic hair. The fact that their old guard leadership wouldn't step down for years is just a testament to how fricked up and annoying it must be to be their government member. What's more important though, is the fact that people like Eva, Krieg and Phoenix stuck around with them for such a long time and are finally getting a grip on their alliance. If they continue and stay in Polaris' cabinet, Polaris might actually be regarded as something decent in the future, so props to them.House Stark - An alliance that also has an immense amount of potential. I have said at least 50 times that I'd love to be able to experiment as their High Gov of IA. Their membership is awesome, their leadership is incredibly friendly and know what they're doing. They're an alliance that has always lacked titans in Econ and IA. It's truly a shame they're not already in the top 10.TGH - I mean their whole inception is something to be clapped at. Buorhann pulled stragglers from all corners of Orbis and formed an alliance that Fought IQ and TKR in it's first opening months. They have Sketchy, the Econ mastermind, Shiho and Alkaline, both incredible gov members. I could fight TGH for 30 years every day and I would still always respect their internal affairs and econ. If TKR buckled up and left the game, they'd be the place I apply to work as High gov of IA. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevanovia Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 As a newcomer to this world, this thread is very intriguing and insightful. The thoughtful analysis that some of you are putting into your posts are most appreciated. On behalf of those of us whom are not yet familiar with this political landscape, thank you. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, TheNG said: "Hey have I told you guys how TGH has spent the majority of its time since formation fighting wars? That's pretty cool right, I'm sure I haven't mentioned it before. Because you know that most of the alliances just like to sit on their asses and not do anything, not like us who fight many wars against the biggest coalitions in the game. That us being TGH, a very tough war alliance, of course. Hi, by the way. My name is Buorhann, I lead a really cool alliance that fights a lot of wars and does stuff called TGH! You probably haven't heard of us, but we fight a lot of wars, spend a lot of time doing it too, unlike all those other alliances who only like to sit around and not fight long wars like we do. Hey, have I told you guys about the last war we fought it, it was very recently and very long too! We're good war fighters, if I do say so myself, haha" Never change Buor ? But do they fight any wars? I think relevance is essentially ability to shape the political landscape. And it's hard to make a list of that, because if you're capable of doing that subtly, which the best players would theoretically know how to do, no one will know you did. So putting aside the ability alliances may have to exert subtle influence, I think the obvious answer for most influential alliance would be NPO. I really don't think any other alliance pushed for those NAPS, most complained about it (even the ones that signed it!) but they still signed it. And I think that is an example that shows they have had more impact over the political climate of the few years or so than anything else that's happened. You could extend this to IQ as a whole, if you wished, but I see no reason to do that personally because I consider GoG and BK to be subordinate alliances within that bloc, politically. If you want to go back farther or count less recent alliances, I would say Arrgh, because they essentially defined a play-style and pushed everyone else to catch up to them. If you wanted to look at more recent events, I'd give TGH and TRF a nod for basically rotting the forums for the time they were fighting. I bet a lot of people wondered why the Hell they were bothering to play this game reading some of the garbage that resulted from that conflict, which is political influence of a sort. It's difficult to pick other alliances out of that list in the scope of the question because of how little has really been happening, at least recently. 1 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Spaceman Thrax said: If you wanted to look at more recent events, I'd give TGH and TRF a nod for basically rotting the forums for the time they were fighting. I bet a lot of people wondered why the Hell they were bothering to play this game reading some of the garbage that resulted from that conflict, which is political influence of a sort. Says the dude contributing to garbage, but hey what do I know. All I know is thrax is racist asf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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