durmij Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 This is on pace to be more entertaining then TVE versus VE. Good job everyone. 6 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, durmij said: This is on pace to be more entertaining then TVE versus VE. Good job everyone. I'm still waiting on someone making The Pantheon 1 4 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Betulius said: I'm still waiting on someone making The Pantheon @Yui - It has to be done. 6 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Akkara Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Following this, we saw that former Pantheon gov member went on to steal the bank and provide a large portion of it to TCW, even after admitting that it wasn’t a coup. We also see a push for a true coup against the current gov. Additionally, it is nearly impossible to see all that at this critical juncture, along with the deletion of Pantheon’s Discord channels by another former Panth gov who is now in TCW, as anything but a concerted effort to undermine Pantheon. With these logs, the bank theft, and the discord deletion all in mind, how is it unreasonable to come to the conclusion that foreign powers are trying to destabilize Pantheon? And why are they so focused on destabilizing us? Some members of TCW have done a lot for us in the past, but some are also clearly now trying to hurt us. It would require us to ignore all the evidence to take a position that these outside parties all simply have our best interests at heart. I've heard quite a bit from both sides, and I think it's important to note that there is a distinction you're not making here; those aforementioned "former Panth gov" nations were not members of TCW at the time, and there is no evidence of collusion on the part of tCW gov with regards to the bank heist or the deletion of discord channels. While I don't find those two's actions legitimately grounded nor condone them, so far, Pantheon's former government hasn't conveniently left out any information and hasn't publicly slandered Pantheon's (current) government; I think it's pretty easy to see where the lies are sitting. You and your government, on the other hand, have repeatedly lied to myself and the Orbis community as a whole, conveniently left out the part where Felkey returned what he(?) could, falsely assumed - and declared - that tCW was behind the personally motivated actions of some former Pantheon gov members, and constructed slanderous lies designed to undermine Yui, which, frankly, paints yourself in a bad light. Regardless of whether you personally did these things or your government did; you're all part of one team, and I don't think anyone should - or will - be trusting you guys for a while after this. By the way, couldn't you have given us more contextual screenshots concerning the gov chat, and better screenshots concerning the felkey-jeric chat? Edited May 18, 2018 by Akkara 10 Quote You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, RightHonorable said: The legitimacy of the government is not in question, all proper constitutional processes were followed, it is a complete non-issue. On your second point, are you claiming that deleting all of an alliance's Discord channels, and stealing the bank of the alliance isn't an effort to destabilize the alliance? If people want to choose a different path for their future, they are free to do so, but we are talking about two completely different things here The legitimacy of the government is not in question? Have your eyes been recently checked, i fear they may be deceiving you. Allow me to aid your comprehension, many of the posts on this subject are either about how amusing it is, or, infact, questioning the legitimacy of the government, and indeed doing so with not inconsiderable weight. I fear if, with all the chatter on the OWF on this subject for many hours now, if you have not been able to detect such simple facts as points of discussion, such as if your government is considered illegitimate, i must say i do truly wonder if you are yet ready to take on the endeavor of rebuilding an alliance on the verge of death. Truly, i'd question if you're ready to perform a leadership capacity anywhere, let alone FA. I therefore also presume it has not occured to you for a single second that, with your government being considered illegitimate by quite a fair number of people, that perhaps, just maybe, the acts of taking the bank and destroying the discord, were seen as preventing the property from Pantheon from falling into what are perceived as unrighteous hands. You ought count yourself fortunate Felkey did not agree there, i don't think there are many in his position who would have returned it. I certainly would not have. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, Akkara said: I've heard quite a bit from both sides, and I think it's important to note that there is a distinction you're not making here; those aforementioned "former Panth gov" nations were not members of TCW at the time, and there is no evidence of collusion on the part of tCW gov with regards to the bank heist or the deletion of discord channels. While I don't find those two's actions legitimately grounded nor condone them, so far, Pantheon's former government hasn't conveniently left out any information and hasn't publicly slandered Pantheon's (current) government; I think it's pretty easy to see where the lies are sitting. You and your government, on the other hand, have repeatedly lied to myself and the Orbis community as a whole, conveniently left out the part where Felkey returned what he(?) could, falsely assumed - and declared - that tCW was behind the personally motivated actions of some former Pantheon gov members, and constructed slanderous lies designed to undermine Yui, which, frankly, paints yourself in a bad light. Regardless of whether you personally did these things or your government did; you're all part of one team, and I don't think anyone should - or will - be trusting you guys for a while after this. By the way, couldn't you have given us more contextual screenshots concerning the gov chat, and better screenshots concerning the felkey-jeric chat? There is solid evidence, the logs I posted of Felky talking to Jeric are a smoking gun, there is no better evidence then something like that. Them being behind it is beyond all reasonable doubt. Felky even said so himself here XD. If that is what TCW has had you believe you have been lied to, and I encourage you to see reason here. The largest mistake I made was how fast I moved tbh, I didn't think TCW was like that, and that was also a second mistake. And yes, my new gov could of done better and we have corrected it, but we made mistakes there and I think it's fair we are held responsible for those. Though them being corrected should also be acknowledged IMO. But if you are upset about being fundamentally mislead, you upset at the wrong people, and you don't have to take my word for it, the facts speak for themselves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Me Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I have to say, Pantheon can disappear for all I care, it has been a dead alliance for quite a while now but Yui is one of the most liked and respected people in this silly assed game so slandering her is not going to earn you any kind of goodwill with most of Orbis. So good luck getting anyone to believe anything you say after that incredibly stupid faux pas. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keegoz Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 Is this where we decide if we're team #TCW or #Pantheon ? @Thalmor I blame you for this, you ODP both alliances and once cancelled look what happened. Clearly a evil FA mastermind just pretending to be an idiot. 7 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalev60 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I wish someone would just post the logs of Fist setting the guidelines for the new gov on the narrative of his coup and slander spin, I know people have those, I've seen those Quote Charlie Chaplin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: There is solid evidence, the logs I posted of Felky talking to Jeric are a smoking gun, there is no better evidence then something like that. Them being behind it is beyond all reasonable doubt. Felky even said so himself here XD. If that is what TCW has had you believe you have been lied to, and I encourage you to see reason here. The largest mistake I made was how fast I moved tbh, I didn't think TCW was like that, and that was also a second mistake. And yes, my new gov could of done better and we have corrected it, but we made mistakes there and I think it's fair we are held responsible for those. Though them being corrected should also be acknowledged IMO. But if you are upset about being fundamentally mislead, you upset at the wrong people, and you don't have to take my word for it, the facts speak for themselves Yeah urm, I'm not sure if anyone told you but your logs are unreadable. So before quoting and pointing to 'irrefutable evidence' please clear them up so the rest of us can see. Or you're just going to keep looking like a man with no substance... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, kalev60 said: I wish someone would just post the logs of Fist setting the guidelines for the new gov on the narrative of his coup and slander spin, I know people have those, I've seen those It's not a coup. It's a "grey area". 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Keegoz said: Is this where we decide if we're team #TCW or #Pantheon ? @Thalmor I blame you for this, you ODP both alliances and once cancelled look what happened. Clearly a evil FA mastermind just pretending to be an idiot. It's not even that. I'm just 50 steps ahead of the game. My actions may not make sense in the present, but those who are prudent and that pay attention will be able to make the connections. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Shifty, or whomst'd've provided the logs to shifty, left out some key parts. I pushed back on those statements and opposed that language. FTFY Also you slandering the Shifty New Network®? I'll have you know that I don't think any FA head or P/W radioshow host can really capture the irreverence, the ADHD-infused zeitgeist of the P/W forums. Only the Shifty News Network® can do that. You can scoff, but has any work of art championed by mainstream media circles in the last 5 years attained even half the prestige, influence, and enduring popularity that of the Shifty News Network® continues to flaunt? Doubt it. I'm part of an Ivy League thinktank and my peers and I really do believe that the Shifty News Network® will one day be a fixture of the 21st century humanities. Nothing could be a more perfect relic of our time. Edited May 18, 2018 by ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: The Knights Radiant bought Pantheon So how much did The Knights Radiant pay? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkara Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: There is solid evidence, the logs I posted of Felky talking to Jeric are a smoking gun, there is no better evidence then something like that. Them being behind it is beyond all reasonable doubt. Felky even said so himself here XD. If that is what TCW has had you believe you have been lied to, and I encourage you to see reason here. The largest mistake I made was how fast I moved tbh, I didn't think TCW was like that, and that was also a second mistake. And yes, my new gov could of done better and we have corrected it, but we made mistakes there and I think it's fair we are held responsible for those. Though them being corrected should also be acknowledged IMO. But if you are upset about being fundamentally mislead, you upset at the wrong people, and you don't have to take my word for it, the facts speak for themselves Basically, what Alexio said. But, in case you didn't read Felkey's post properly, he said that he requested Jeric to "appoint themself as leader in game" - which is vastly different from stealing the bank and getting the hell out, and much more different than stealing the bank, getting the bank, and sending it to tCW. Was "Yui is a good person, and we recognize her contributions to Pantheon during her term of service. We also recognize that this is a difficult situation for her." supposed to be a band-aid? The truth is, the facts do speak for themselves. You've got a pretty bad history, and you've done some pretty sketchy stuff in literally the past three days. The truth speaks for itself indeed... Edited May 18, 2018 by Akkara 2 Quote You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sphinx Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Then I started to learn that gov was going to push the merger without even consulting the membership, and when I approached sphinx he said that he wasn’t serious about it and just wanted to use the merger to get old gov like me back in to "save" the AA... Wasn't my plan at all, the fact you took a joke on face value is amusing as you should learn Australian's will shit post in discussions. Yes sometimes it may come back to bite us, but I had every intention of merging as I viewed it as the best option for a crumbling Pantheon that was begging to get rolled. You would have to be daft to think we wouldn't consult our membership. We were still hammering out the details at the time of the rather unfortunate leak. The plan for the merge was this: 1: I contacted Felkey about the merge 2 weeks ago we discussed some basics (Current situation of Pantheon, our problems, why I wanted to merge, groundwork for a plan and how it would be successful, etc). 2: Felkey and I introduced it to our respective governments. We discussed amongst ourselves possible gov sets ups (We agreed upon half ex-Pantheon/ half tCW. Then we discussed who to take with us etc) 3: We continued the discussions, until the leak ruined the plans, shut down by the arrival of you and your two ex-TKR co-conspirators buddies. 4: We planned once all details were finalised, our governments would've held a vote. (I know for a fact that Pantheon's government would vote for the merge), not sure about tCW (But I was told that they supported it as well). 5: Once approved by government, we would have brought our plan to the general membership of Pantheon for a vote. If approved by a majority of members we would commence the merge. I envisaged the merge completed within the month, with an AA of 120+ members, combined with the experience of some Pantheon and tCW gov, not only would that outrank TKR in score, but we would also be in a much better situation for Pantheon especially, as we had lost several long term members (Yui, most importantly) so it seemed only natural for Pantheon to merge into tCW. (Also keep in mind we already had several members in tCW, who had left in the months before, that only adds to the case that the merge seemed to be the right choice for us.) So yes Fist you were once leader of Pantheon. But you left many years ago, leaving us hanging during war. I would have wanted to stay in Pantheon, as I spent 2 years in this alliance. But I and many others recognised that things weren't working. A merge was a fresh start, a new beginning for us. But alas it was destroyed by people who may have thought they were valiant defenders of Pantheon against a supposed 'tyrannical' government. When in fact it was they themselves who were the tyrants, removing people who served in government for months, (myself including) and who before this incident had unshakable loyalty to the membership of Pantheon. I don't know what you've been telling the remnants of Pantheon, but for me to receive messages from people who I helped grow, through our finance programs. That I couped Pantheon and was a saboteur, quite honestly pisses me off. 4 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: Additionally, it is nearly impossible to see all that at this critical juncture, along with the deletion of Pantheon’s Discord channels by another former Panth gov who is now in TCW, as anything but a concerted effort to undermine Pantheon. When you were the leader of Pantheon you used IRC, you didn't make the Discord server. For you to use the creation of Yui and others hard word to turn around and slander the deposed rightfully legitimate government of Pantheon is a low act. So yes I nuked the Discord and left it barren apart from the general chat. Not least because I didn't want my work to go to people slandering me. But more importantly I didn't want my friends work to be used in slandering them. I did it on behalf of others. So no Fist we didn't screw you over or coup anybody, you did. A great opportunity for Pantheon was thrown away because of someones arrogant pride, to echo the words of Vince McMahon, "Fist screwed Fist" 2 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun -George Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 WHY does this matter so much as I was Told 1. Panth gov started merge talks and neglected to notify members (all of this was good up to failure to notify members) 2. Some gov picked / couped to make the founder in charge 3. Some one stole the bank (again) and sent it to tcw 4. Members who were not happy in panth left and thoes who are happy stayed past that there really isn’t any argument or need for slander from either side, what panth does is their business. In the end the alliance is here to appease the members and not a bunch of people on the owf (shocking I know) so why not let them figure it out in damn peace. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Gorge said: WHY does this matter so much as I was Told 1. Panth gov started merge talks and neglected to notify members (all of this was good up to failure to notify members) 2. Some gov picked / couped to make the founder in charge 3. Some one stole the bank (again) and sent it to tcw 4. Members who were not happy in panth left and thoes who are happy stayed past that there really isn’t any argument or need for slander from either side, what panth does is their business. In the end the alliance is here to appease the members and not a bunch of people on the owf (shocking I know) so why not let them figure it out in damn peace. It matters because New Panth and T$ have now not only posed insult and accusation to TCW, but even insult to TGH, and seem intent to keep prodding both. Furthermore, let the record show a single post in this drama filled scenario is more interesting than your entire life has ever been. We've seen train wrecks, but what we have here is an opportunity. Two trains, head on, big fireball, maybe one of them does a back flip through the air before smashing a residential area on landing. Make like the rest of the spectators, quite your tongue, and indulge in the refreshments set up for the show. Edited May 18, 2018 by Lairah 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Commonwealth vs pantheon. Tisk tisk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lairah said: It matters because New Panth and T$ have now not only posed insult and accusation to TCW, but even insult to TGH, and seem intent to keep prodding both. Furthermore, let the record show a single post in this drama filled scenario is more interesting than your entire life has ever been. We've seen train wrecks, but what we have here is an opportunity. Two trains, head on, big fireball, maybe one of them does a back flip through the air before smashing a residential area on landing. Make like the rest of the spectators, quite your tongue, and indulge in the refreshments set up for the show. RIP Gorge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printer635 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Putting a smiley in an official alliance announcement title is grounds for impeachment in my opinion. You've been warned Felkey 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReuKinChe Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Given that you kicked long-time Pantheon friends like Felkey and Yui from the server, rather than simply private channels, before planning to fabricate a narrative of betrayal to 'appeal to patriotism', as RightHonourable put it, it's a bit rich of you to call people power-hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sphinx said: Stuff Dude that's such BS, I TCW was pissed that you said that and I was working with you to try and fix that. It was not a joke. And I'm going to say the obvious, your gov wasnt working and doing what I did was necessary to actually fix the situation. It needed nothing short of a complete remake, and that is what I was going to do. If you wanted to leave before you felt stubbed by me making current gov re-apply, then that's your choice and I dont fault you for it. The lies about what you said about your plan and acting like the titan cant demote and remake gov is despicable. Nuking a discord because you didnt like being put in a situation where you had to prove you could do the job to be gov anymore was low. I hope you enjoy TCW 57 minutes ago, Gorge said: WHY does this matter so much as I was Told 1. Panth gov started merge talks and neglected to notify members (all of this was good up to failure to notify members) 2. Some gov picked / couped to make the founder in charge 3. Some one stole the bank (again) and sent it to tcw 4. Members who were not happy in panth left and thoes who are happy stayed past that there really isn’t any argument or need for slander from either side, what panth does is their business. In the end the alliance is here to appease the members and not a bunch of people on the owf (shocking I know) so why not let them figure it out in damn peace. The other guy is right, people see opportunity to push agendas, For TCW though, Felky got caught red handed doing some seriously bad stuff and he need to launch this massive spin campaign in order to not loose all his credibility and image(And his new members). It's interesting to watch IMO. They're throwing all the shit they can just to see what sticks, even int he logs he tried to convince jeric, high gov of pantheon, that it was illegitimate what I did, and he told Felky he was wrong but Felky kept it up. I would much prefer that people come to their senses so we can act like adults about this, but that just isnt in their best interests. Welcome to PnW XD 1 hour ago, Alexio15 said: Yeah urm, I'm not sure if anyone told you but your logs are unreadable. So before quoting and pointing to 'irrefutable evidence' please clear them up so the rest of us can see. Or you're just going to keep looking like a man with no substance... They are readable to anyone with a reasonable intelligence and who spends some time in it, nice try to get out of it though XD @Shify That was so cherrypicked man XD 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuru Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 hours ago, RightHonorable said: The legitimacy of the government is not in question, all proper constitutional processes were followed, it is a complete non-issue. On your second point, are you claiming that deleting all of an alliance's Discord channels, and stealing the bank of the alliance isn't an effort to destabilize the alliance? If people want to choose a different path for their future, they are free to do so, but we are talking about two completely different things here Still no comment about being in Pantheon for two days and slandering its former leader with lies you have pulled out of your behind? I can understand that. Based on the reactions here you must've realized that any nonsense excuse you could come up with will not be believed by anybody anyway. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuru Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: The other guy is right, people see opportunity to push agendas, For TCW though, Felky got caught red handed doing some seriously bad stuff and he need to launch this massive spin campaign in order to not loose all his credibility and image(And his new members). It's interesting to watch IMO. They're throwing all the shit they can just to see what sticks, even int he logs he tried to convince jeric, high gov of pantheon, that it was illegitimate what I did, and he told Felky he was wrong but Felky kept it up. I would much prefer that people come to their senses so we can act like adults about this, but that just isnt in their best interests. Welcome to PnW XD I have yet to see any hint of people actually truly believing what you have written. Maybe you lack reading comprehension but nowhere have I seen anyone actually believing what you have told them. 9 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said: They are readable to anyone with a reasonable intelligence and who spends some time in it, nice try to get out of it though XD The first two are. Although your spelling in the one about cakey and Felkey is hardly readable at its best. The four others can almost not be read at all because they're too small. It's funny that you talk about reasonable intelligence though. Edited May 18, 2018 by Mitsuru 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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