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Sorry to interrupt your regular pixel burning, but I felt like talking about the pig-disgusting habit of pixel huggery. As Orbis is where it should be (with - almost - everyone reking each others' pixels), I thought it was a good time to reflect on this fascinating phenomenon, which directly correlates to war dodging. Over the years I've been playing this game, I've come to observe many people, and a few alliances in particular, repeatedly war dodge. The 2 best examples are Dark Brotherhood and RnR. DB is yet to participate in an alliance war (Yoda did fight a bit in Knightfall which led to some TKRsphere nations hitting DB but it ended quickly), having been around for a considerable amount of time. RnR, which has several nations that originated from the former (and also pixel hugging) RnR, plus a bunch of other nations versed in the ways of war dodging, is also yet to take part in an alliance war. Imo this requires a lot of skill, mainly political. I would have thought for sure that joining NPO's side would inevitably make DB finally fight, but apparently I was wrong. I hope at least they're serving as cash cows for their allies, which would somewhat help justify their pathetic existence. RnR is a slightly different case. Led by one of the biggest pixel huggers in the game (thanks for the embargo on my alliance btw honeybuns :*), you merely have to take a look at their war stats to come to the conclusion that we're talking about pixel hugging / war dodging professionals. Politics aside (I've pretty much stopped caring about them since Knightfall ended), I think this is where we as a community have failed. We used to talk trash about GPA war profiteering. This is much worse. These are neutrals disguised as real alliances. When you see several nations (some of them with incredibly low city count) with ridiculously high amounts of infra in one alliance, and p much the rest of the game is burning, you come to the inevitable conclusion that these folks have been outsmarting the rest of us pretty hard. So I just hope one day someone (I don't care who although I hope I'll participate) will finally roll this pixel hugging trash into the dirt, and make them see they can't always play in peace mode. I for one have been doing my part and will give a forum cookie to anyone who's kind enough to calculate the total damage I've dealt RnR with my solitary roguery.

As high gov, this is as good as stating permawar. This is one piece of why peace talks have not and will not happen in the foreseeable future. The other piece is this war is not yet decided. There has still not been any sort of description from the other side as to what their definition of victory is. We've submitted our narrative and it's relatively digestible. I am eagerly awaiting your metrics for how we are losing the war and will lose decisively. I think I've made it clear to at least one member of your coalition's high gov that I am for white peace, because the best we believe you can hope for is a draw, and a draw in 3 months. See response above. I am with Thrax here. I don't agree with the salt the earth rhetoric, but I can understand where it came from. I can't speak for Scarf or Sketchy, but I was about as upset as someone can be at a nation sim when t$ and then NPO entered. I deleted the t$ embassy from our discord. This is to say, we say things when we are pissed. On the first paragraph, I believe I addressed it in my above response. For the rest, permawar and harsh terms are directly threatening to the existence of an alliance. While these threats have been made out right, we are not surrendering. Which brings me to NPO. Again I agree with Thrax, logic doesn't mean what people think it means. You can act on incorrect assumptions and still be logical, and this is the argument we make. If the assumptions made by NPO were true, they'd be correct. They are not and are not founded on strong evidence, so we find the assumption lacking and cannot agree with the following assumptions. In sum, we won't surrender, you won't end the war unless we surrender. I am open to any and all talks without precondition, which is not what is being proposed by the opposition, and as far as I am aware is not the united front of the opposition, just BK and TCW.

Do you though? Aside from some low tier guys who I'm sure are making bank, there's precisely one unrolled big nation left in all of Chaos. Unless of course you're talking about the survivors in Rose and GoB, who I'm sure will be happy to fund your rebuilds since you guys are all one big happy family! But sure, the bumblers who couldn't even win the whale tier after a couple weeks are definitely keeping us all down economically. Whatever helps you sleep better Thrax.

I disagree with you here. What's their experience in this game? They do nothing but log in and buy their pixels. It is fun to grow in cities, land, and infra, but eventually they gets boring. Are they really having fun with the game? I imagine they're also very fragile. What would happen if DB and RnR got hit really hard? Got sat on for a while? How would their community perform? Would they shed a lot of members? They probably would. There's no resilience there. I don't think they've been outsmarting anyone. I do think their government might deserve praise for being able to avoid war for so long. That is rather difficult to pull off. However, I think it's all very brittle and there's no virtue in a house of cards. Sorry if this post reads weird. For some reason my thinking is very fragmented rn lol.

Its funny so many approved and yet Alex didnt listen he ignored us for too long. Now we rise up once more. As stated in the post above Water would serve as a food like resource with modifications. It would be needed in order for the nation to properly function like you see with food. It can also be traded like any resource in the Market. Here are some ideas with what you can also do with water. Water would be produced via Water Pumps which would be worth one improvement slot each. Power Hydroelectric Power Plants - this would turn water into elecriticty similiar to Oil, Coal and Nuclear Plants. Hydroelectric Power Plants are the most efficent power sources. Costs to build hydroelectric plants should be high but maintaining one should be pretty low as it would be irl. Nuclear Cooling - water would be used in order to keep Nuclear Power Plants at a safe level, a small amount of water would be used as to not make running nuclear power plants not worthwhile. If a nation doesnt have water the Nuclear Power Plant will shut down not being able to produce power until water is bougnt with a small chance of an explosion occuring which would destroy the Power Plant, destroy 300 to 700 infra, and give radation levels similiar to a nuke in the city. Military Water would be also used to keep Military Troops well maintained and operational. If troops dont have enough water they will be unusable like an actual military force would. Disease/Pollution Once a city reaches a certain size, water would began acting polluted and would raise disease and pollution levels, to combat this players would need to build Water Treatment Centers to combat this, they would work similiar to how Recycling Centers, Hospitals, and Police Stations work and the ratio of water pumps to treatment would be between 6:1 to 10:1. Projects Water Reclamation Plant - This would cost one project slot and once built will boost water production in every city buy an additional 25%, they would have no affect on water pollution rates. It would also be fairly cheap. If you have any more ideas with water please feel free to shate them.

There is indeed a paralel in the other direction, where the side that felt it was winning wanted to hold out for a surrender. T'would suggest that wanting it isn't enough to get it. I don't think many on our side think you can't try for a surrender, we just don't think the war situation warrants it. I can say personally, if I felt we had decisively lost, I would be willing to surrender. Rightly or wrongly, that is not how we see things. In any case, I found it funny that people now suggesting white peace is innapropriate for aggressors had themselves demanded that for their own aggression. You can tack on the other way as well, though I think less strongly. History repeats itself I guess.

You never had to rely solely on my word for this decision but, unless I'm missing something major here, I don't think I've ever given you a good reason not to trust my word. Feel free to hit me up in DMs if I am missing something and you want to discuss it. Ignoring everything I've claimed after the fact though and just focusing on what was said before you expanded things, there was an entire coalition full of people that saw me push for the opposite of what you're claiming, me directly telling your allies we weren't expanding the war because we believed you to be a separate war/entity from BK and that we had no intention of working with KETOGG post war, and a record of me stating the former publicly, all of which was fantastic PR ammunition if we'd gone against it. We had no interest in expanding the war to you and we had no reason to hit you in revenge for your isolated opportunistic hit on Guardian/Grumpy. Given that you're talking about "impressions" and "tone" and have said you don't have logs, it seems pretty obvious to the rest of us just how far you're stretching to make this CB. Saying I supposedly deleted something in a DM with one of your allies that directly implicates us, seems incredibly suspect, especially combined with the tones and impressions arguments. It's also interesting to see you publicly state that we were a threat but you supposedly now have no concern about TGH and KT doing what you claimed we were planning when it's their ally you hit and after stating just yesterday how poorly you're taking Sketchy's angry shittalking and Scarf's frustration at feeling like the game was over after you hit. All throughout this war, even after your hit on Guardian/Grumpy, we've been pushing against expanding it and focusing instead on our war with BK and the people who posed an immediate threat to us, which we didn't believe you did. Clearly we were wrong to believe that given your actions.

1. You have consistently attacked NPO's CB 2. You publicly defended that CB I linked despite it being less valid than NPO's current one 3. Just because something happened yesterday doesn't mean it's irrelevant. In fact, hypocrisy and double standards are always relevant. By your logic we shouldn't judge people on their actions which is literally retarded. Either accept that GW5 was a bullshit CB and since you defended it you therefor have no grounds to criticize NPO's current CB or publicly admit you're untrustworthy and sit down and shut up so people who are morally consistent can debate properly.

Our entry in the Knightfall war was optional. I chose to assist when Partisan asked us for help. Admittedly we considered leaving Knightfall earlier but the decision was made to stay till the end after talking to some people. TKR was extremely persistent and nuked us till the very last day of Knightfall. It certainly did not "end quickly" As for the current war, I originally wanted to assist CoA with their front but three high gov members were on vacation overseas so the plan had to be shelved. Some of my gov members are teenagers; I can't expect their parents to leave them alone at home to fight a war in a browser game while the rest of the family goes on a family vacation.

The best part of this is that you put in euros and it gives you dollars.

That's ridiculous, it's unfair! Sometimes friends can only be pushed so far. Sometimes we have to take matters into our own hands... Everyone reach for the sky! Put the money in the bag! We're not leaving unless it's 2 billion (or more)!

Same as above for you, Roq. I definitely do believe someone is lying/spinning things beyond recognition here and I know it's not me. If you want to discuss this more in depth with me, the same offer exists.

House Stark isn't passive. They just conduct all their foreign affairs via drive-by memeing.

"Keshav's excellent post". hahaha. Good one. Getting a good chuckle out of Hodor assuming good faith, too. Poor guy. The war was pointless from the start: wasn't our side that wanted it. But it's nice to see you admitting you want to force terms instead of having a white peace, especially considering how much your alliance has leaned on your coalition to bail you out of your own leak and failed try at making a curbstomp. There's really no incentive for our side to take terms from you as far as I can see, because with how your coalition has behaved we stand more to gain from keeping all of you from making revenue: bear in mind, more of you than there are of us, and we have people who are still up economically and you do not. Forcing terms requires either leverage or faith, and you don't really have either.

Please, PLEASE, tell me you're not this dense... Just read my posts.

I will try and state this once more and then I’ll give up. In no uncertain terms, it’s been stated here the condition of peace is our surrender. I’ve made it abundantly clear we are not entering into peace talks with that precondition. I literally conceded this point? I’m not sure who you’re arguing with? I don’t think I’ve ever said anything about this? So how am I being disingenuous? You’re being very antagonistic in response to a very bland post dude. I’m on mobile but if your truly believe this I can provide logs and forum quotes to discredit the whale portion. I don’t doubt that NPO did feel like we were a credible threat. I don’t think anyone will convince you otherwise so I’ve not attempted to argue that. I have made narrow arguments because those are the arguments that are important to discuss. I’m not here to reopen toxic topics like these. I don’t know what else to say to this given in this thread preconditions were given and you keep switching your argument. I’m sorry, but again, what do you think I’m doing in this thread? I’ve not been antagonistic until now because, and I genuinely mean this, I do not think you’re understanding what I’m saying. I’m on my phone, but I just couldn’t see my words so wrongly misinterpreted. Forgive the brevity.

The picture is gone, but TS was not named in it. It was a generic "enemies of npo" type deal.

Antagonism begets antagonism, that much is obvious. If antagonism (concessions) is the the tool to discourage antagonism, we’re going to be stuck in the cycle forever.

Literally these were posted in THIS thread mere posts above your own: I'll make the same statement I usually make. I'll assume you're arguing in good faith and eager and that's why you didn't actually read my post in detail. I made clear my stance and you seemed to miss that part. As for operational control, I do think this is a good metric, thank you for presenting it. The counter argument I've made to this is two fold. Operational control *should* be reflected in the stats. If you are preventing military buildup, while still inflicting damage, you will be netting small gains in net damage. This is supported by what the stats show right now AND what we've been saying that you may have operational control but the rate at which you do damage once it's established is so slow that you won't flip damages for months, if ever. Additionally, in order to continue to exert operational control it requires a relatively large amount of effort and coordination that is also a drain on economic activity for both sides. I've posed this to Roq and I'll pose it here. NPO entered due to fear of CHAOS/KETOG taking advantage of the fact that their whales lost their infra and they would use this advantage to hit NPO to minimize damage to themselves. You've pulled our whales (except the ones you actually wanted), so you've created the insecurity you were afraid of. Low infra whales with not much to lose who are able to thwart an all planes strat with ground and naval buys. In sum (this is the important stuff), I don't expect to convince you of our narrative, and you shouldn't hope to convince me. We have our rationales for our actions. What's important is we understand that neither is talking out their ass and is engaging in dialogue in good faith. There are few people in this game's leadership that I know of that lack that ability, so I'm optimistic. No. Your reading comprehension is lacking. I literally said " I am open to any and all talks without precondition" I'm not sure what is more clear than that? I'm not really sure what the word decisively is supposed to mean in this post... I addressed the rest of your points above.

I don't balme DB tbh, all of the nations there who wanted to war are now in GS also live news from yoda that was live about a month ago (said in a public chat) DB would be top 15 if we hadn't stolen his members no shit, but these peeps were going to leave anyway, we just have them cos they our friends I invite anyone around the 14-24 city count who wants to experience either half (or potentially both!) if the name of the game to come to GS with an open mind, we don't want you if your going to tell us what to do ? #sellout

Do you call this persistent? Do you really want to see how really persistent looks like?

As someone who disapproves of PC culture and bending over because someone is offended, I personally welcome this alliance. Many alliances, groups, games, etc hold alliances, nations, and the such with themes derived from a multitude of cultures, government types, and history that all include bad shit. Being an American and someone who not only celebrates history, but enjoys history as a thing that shouldn't be forgotten, erased, or shit on - but remembered, celebrated, and learned from - there ain't nothing wrong with a confederate themed alliance. Just like there ain't nothing wrong with a soviet, chinese, communist, socialist, nazi themed alliance. There is a line between a theme and actually pushing rhetoric of hate. Just because you as a person are weak and are told something is bad and should be erased doesn't mean it needs to be. You can disagree and share an opinion, but pushing for something to go away because you are awfully uneducated isn't how it works. Additionally, shouting at newer alliances that happen to be small isn't any way to act in a community - micros quite literally never appear on the radar of larger alliances in terms of actual gameplay unless they do some dumb stuff and raid - in which case, just play the game. New people and new alliances should never be made to feel unwelcome in this community. The community should grow and prosper. That being said, there needs to be a way to organize. Back in my day of moderation, albeit there were some shit moderators who moderated incorrectly, things were kept pretty simple. This new moderation team has allowed for certain things to happen which in my experience only happens when someone cannot separate their moderation identity from their in-game identity. Swifter moderation and moderators who actually cruise the forums is what is needed to move things before they derail out of control like this thread. Separating forums was something I've always been against, however at this time it would seem that it is the best option - My suggestion would be to separate by alliance rank. Normally, those within the higher ranks are more relevant politically with relevance dropping as you move further down the list. The issue here would be alliances dropping in rank in war...but if you did something like top 50 alliance affairs forum vs the next 50, that covers 100 alliances. So maybe just 3 forums tiered by rank for news. This should create an easy system for moderators to simply move to the desired category.............instead of micro tags or a simple micro forum, because as @Alex said, which I agree, defining micro is a bit broad.

For me and you, yeah, they don't seem to be having fun k. But the fact that they've been at it for ages makes me think they are. I personally think weak alliances (composed of members who can't cope with war, which might even make them ragequit) have, or should not have, a place in this game. Economically yes, they have been outsmarting the shit out of us. Would I have fun if I were them? Certainly no, but that's not my point vro. EDIT: my point is that we used to flame those who had the guts of owning their pixel huggery, aka GPA with their neutrality and TFP with their name, and we've been doing nothing to alliances who consistently hide behind treaties to get ahead of the rest economically. So I do hope some day we put politics aside and roll the shit out of them.

Complaining about some infra selldowns a month and a half after they happened? Man, talk about myopic. I think the thing you fail to grasp Ronny, is that Sphinx sold down that infra because it was going to be destroyed anyway, and so he could get lower and help out his members and allies clear out the mid and upper tiers through downdeclares - you know actually contributing something of value to the coalition he's a part of. This is of course in stark contrast to the bumblers in GoB, who have spent this war whining about "muh 3.8 billion" and doing nothing to assist their allies while they all got rolled. Then of course when we got to you guys, you waited patiently to die or even worse built tanks and expensive infrastructure to preserve your precious nations for another week. All GoB has been good for is padding our stat sheets - maybe you should've sold down too, eh? If given the choice between Sphinx and a hundred weak, selfish GoB members, I'd choose him every time. I know I'd get something of value in the trade.

69/10 water should be already in-game. But Africa shouldn't be able to have water.

Yeah he paid me back from his winnings. Otherwise I would've repo'd his nation..... lucky bastard. I can't speak for the rest of the stuff but that's how he grew to 22 cities. I also loaned at the same time another $2b loan to Alexio. EDIT: For the record he's beaten me pretty decisively to 30 cities. I built my 30th at 786 days old, EM did it 650 days. Not sure how he did it quicker than me, since I was at peace for 15 months in Pantheon and sold every single thing I had so I didn't have a WC the entire time, but doesn't really concern me, congrats EM.

No biggie; and I was with Rough Riders, technically I'm still gathering tertiary data but for most part the experiment is over. Now with ironfront there's a decent amount of stuff I learned that I can apply to create a good community. It's frickin fun.

I do accept it. This exchange has been quite nice. But a non-executive member of NPO government talking to a non-executive member of TGH government won't change the tenor of the relations between our alliances or our coalitions, no matter how polite or accommodating we are here. The substance of what's been said far more often, in far more contexts, by more important people than us is that Roquentin and Keshav are hypocrites and liars whose actions are breaking the game, and that Buorhann and Sketchy have, together, been toxic, hostile, and deliberately obtuse about the way minispheres can reasonably be expected to function.

It is quite funny how they're quoting Scarf/Sketchy's responses AFTER NPO entered the war. Pretty sure a lot of us stated that we weren't coming for NPO before the war started. But, y'know, there were credible threats or something.

I legit denied it multiple times. Last night on my show, and on my previous show before that. I couldn't give a rats ass that NPO/BK are allied up. I just find it hilarious that you guys went the distance on pointing fingers at TKR and Friends on maintaining secret treaties and here you are being hypocritical. If your alliances want to jerk each other off, more power to it. Just own up to it. Don't be hypocrites about it.

https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/13348-a-quick-partisan-note-to-npo/& This was your CB in case you forgot. A meme from PnW carrying over to CN and a (now deleted) recruitment message from NS NPO. Quite honestly the worst CB ever used, even no CB is better than that out of game drama bullshit. You complaining about NPO's "bad" CB when you were part of the worst CB ever used in this game is honestly disgusting and the reason I'm bringing it up.

@Akuryo @Pasky Darkfire Aku you should realise by now not to take what I say on the RON server (Unless its clearly marked as official) to heart. I love shit talking on that server, especially with you, which you should obviously know. Also the difference between what I said and what Scarf and Sketchy said, is their intent towards who they directed it to. S&S, were clearly directing their talk of 'disbanding us' towards anyone even remotely close to BK/NPO, which happens to include the entire coalition to some degree. I merely spoke of Aku's group and those tied with them, (That doesn't include Chaos or KETOG etc) which is a small portion of your side. Regardless I've got no interest in seeing an alliance disband (After all Orion has a loan with you, why would I want a customer to disband?). But considering this is attempt number 4001 of KERCHTOGG trying to sway the narrative, gotta give you guys brownie points for trying. Looking forward to seeing what new topic attempt number 4002 will be. The war's still very fun for my members and I, so we're continuing for however long we need to secure victory.

Brilliant idea! I love the idea of water! One of my friends is water (shout out to @Fiji God) so I really like this idea. Now, I'm leaving this comment here to hopefully boost this. I don't know the algorithms of the forums, but I'm going to assume that comments means that it's pushed higher up. 10/10. Could be apart of my "I'm Not High! You're high!" series. I mean it's perfect.

This is some r/THE_PACK rubbish right here

The New Pacific Order is appalled by and strongly condemns the recent spate of violence directed at minority mammal groups in Acadia and the Bahamas. We urge everyone to respect the rights and property of mammals everywhere.

Greetings, my Reptilian friend! Unfortunately Sphinx's bank has a requirement for all customers to be of the Mammalian class of animals. Snek's unfortunately fall outside those parameters. Thus Sphinx cannot provide a loan, not least because his banks are closed during the war. But he advise you to come back once the war is over to see if Snek's are the favoured creature of the Egyptian Mythological creature. Regards

Greetings, Friend! I too would like a 2B loan to blow on keno. I will pay it back if I win. Regards

So to be clear, you got a $2B loan from Sphinx but most of the rest of the money came from getting consistently lucky at keno?

I would get them all verified quick as we seen with my nation it would be a shame to be banned and deleted.

So where exactly does a 652 old nation get the billions needed to buy 5 cities during a war? You also have 5k land in each city which alone is over $2 billion. This is an insane amount of money and far more than you would have by traditional means. Unless I am mistaken it also appears you have been using the Yakuza bank to send money to people on your network that are not verified: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=110868&display=bank

Hey everyone, Originally I wasn't planning on making a forum post about this, but a combination of MrBooty's excellent post (You legend on beating your depression btw,) in this sub-forum where he spoke candidly about some of his own personal troubles and through the suggestions of several including @Yuiand @MonkeyDLegend has convinced me to do so. Firstly let me preface this I'm not looking for sympathy I simply wish to express my gratitude at the support this community has shown and to reflect on some the recent drama that's made the OWF a very interesting place as of late. At 11am I received a call from the nursing home where my father is a resident of. He was diagnosed with dementia some time ago and has been in care ever since 15/1/18. He had finished his breakfast and went to have a nap, the nurses checked each hour on him (9am and 10am) and he was fine, until they went to wake him up for lunch at 10:50am, where we had unfortunately passed away in his sleep, he was aged 76. A couple hours later after the resident doctor at the nursing home had examined him they informed us they believe he had suffered a heart attack. The first few hours after the event were probably the worst time of my life as my mum and I contacted family and friends and informed them of the news. I was broken from having to tell his sister, friends, cousins etc and having an escape from that and coming onto Discord and this community was that break. Whilst support from my family and friends has been invaluable it has also been immensely draining. So being able to vent to both friends who I don't know IRL in this community and my own Discord servers I run as well people I've barely talked to just hitting me up out of the blue was something that honestly eased the pain more than anything else could. There's been a lot of drama recently many of which my is own doing, some of which in hindsight my actions I do regret and if I could've done differently I would've done so. But as MrBooty expressed in his post towards BK/NPO, I wish to say the same towards KETOG/Chaos/Rose and especially the wider community in general you guys despite our differences and arguments all provide a unique aspect of this community that has made the last few weeks one of the most engaging and enjoyable times in my 1,211 days in this game, it is this community that keeps my interest in the game and I suspect this is the reason most of us stay. I hope I get the honour and the privilege of having the chance to fight alongside you one day or maybe even as a member in the future. For now if I decide to take a break and enter VM, Yui will run tCW in my absence. However If do decide against VM'ing for a bit please don't go easy on me just because of my loss. (Don't take my fun, ;;p) To all the people from all different spheres and blocs that have expressed their condolences thank you for your support to me in this painful time, it means a lot to me. This event has given me pause to reflect on recent events and much like MrBooty said, we are a community and I'll try to make sure going forward I can contribute as best I can to making this game fun for not just my alliance members and allies but the entirely of Orbis. Plus a bit of shitposting and drama is always fun to engage in. Good luck to everyone in the war, its been great fun so far and I'm looking forward to some great next rounds. We're in for a strong chance I reckon for us to win the war but it seems we'll be fighting for quite some time, which is fine by me since I've still gotta restore tCW's military reputation. ;,p Regards -Sphinx

Back to OP, as stated in another recently locked topic many think war mechanics are "broken" allowing for long ass global wars, while I think that is true to a large degree, leaders/people are "broken" also- grudges, delusional thinking of equalising the "damage gap", more damage done being the only thing deciding the winner, soon there be harsh reps, willingness to drag shit on in hopes the other side looses more members then you, meaningless or not a treat alliances getting hit just because lulzs, unwilligness to put your membership first and give diplomacy a chance, stubbornly demanding ludicrious shit from the loosing side as peaceterms, neutralism similar to racisism only directed at neutrals, huge egos just not able to let shit go, hegemony building - Orbis has seen it all. There used to be wars here, even big ones, that were done in a month some conflicts even lasted under 5 rounds and stuff got handled, AAs could go back to normal peacetime shit, now that´s impossible and yes over all amount of resources plays a role but so do the people and memberships of AAs that are willing to accept long boring conflicts just in hopes the "other side" will give up first... So in closing this war I totally can see lasting till Christmas or New Years, maybe even longer...

No

Can we just get back to the memes

*Goes to war during the summer, the time of year where people go on vacation* "OmGrEd So MaNy VmInG wAr DoDgErS"