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Sounds exactly like something a loser would say.

Just a small suggestion, it would help immensely to see what embargoes are in place if you could filter out embargoes on Mountania for the objective bonus, since they clog up dozens of pages of the list.

And yet perfectly reasonable. A little humiliation, they get out of a protracted conflict that they know they cannot win nor have the ability to win and now they get to go on their merry way.

Well, it’s been quite a game, eh folks? This is one for the ages, going back and forth all nine innings. Home runs, strikeouts, fights, even some fan interference, but now it’s closing time and things are all wrapped up. While the home team cleans up the rest of the garbage littering the stadium, The Fighting Pacifists team departs, defeated but treated to a resounding round of ‘Sweet Caroline’ as they go. An honest game was played, and we wish them many a fine exhibition game going forward! IQ/Paperless and The Fighting Pacifists agree to the following terms: 1. The Fighting Pacifists will change their in-game alliance acronym to "Grumpy" and must use "Grumpy" in any and all situations an acronym or shorthand of "The Fighting Pacifists" would be used. This term will begin immediately, and will last for as long as the duration of Knightfall, with the countdown beginning when Knightfall ends. 2. Grumpy will fly the Mensa HQ flag. This term will begin immediately, and will last for as long as the duration of Knightfall, with the countdown beginning when Knightfall ends. 3. War-dodgers are considered: nations that used (or renewed) Vacation Mode during the war, nations that entered Vacation Mode a few hours before the initial blitz of the war and were seen to be active at some point during the war. Either (A) Grumpy will allow members of IQ/Paperless to attack war-dodgers (no counters will be launched by Grumpy) once they get out of Vacation Mode. Attacks will continue till the infrastructure at all cities of a war-dodger is decreased to the level of 1k infra per city. The members of IQ/Paperless are not to unnecessarily “torment” any war-dodgers; “torment” is defined as the purposeful prolonging of any attacks on war-dodgers to a greater extent than necessary, or continuing such wars once said nations infrastructure have decreased beneath the designated level. Or (B) war-dodgers of Grumpy will have to sell the infrastructure in all of their cities down to 1k infra level. Once a nation submits to this term and fulfills it, its alliance has to inform and wait for confirmation from IQ/Paperless before they are able to rebuild their infrastructure. Confirmation has to take place within 24 hours. Should any war-dodgers renew their Vacation Mode after this Article get accepted, Grumpy must kick these nations from their alliance. Should any war-dodgers get kicked or change alliances on their own, before Terms A or B are fulfilled, they will be attacked by members of IQ/Paperless, till their infrastructure depletes to the level of 1k infra per city. Term B of this Article will still apply. War-dodgers or their alliances cannot bribe their way out of Terms A or B of this Article. The nations affected by this term are the following: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=37327 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=56828 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=92398 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=95652 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=102843 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=124281 With this no new wars will be declared but existing ones will finish however the combatants wish. Signed: TC: Acadia United Purple Nations IQ: New Pacific Order Black Knights Paperless: Terminus Est Seven Kingdoms Arrgh Oblivion Grumpy: The Fighting Pacifists

You mean Knightfall? Hate to break it to you... again... but you guys claimed them as Knightfall on the forums... on the stats... on the wiki... and in the peace talks server, where you gleefully took the opportunity to flaunt that you were hitting TFP and ask if Quichwe gets a mask or if Guardian was going to represent them. They're Guardian's MDP ally and you declared on them for ghosting in this war, so of course they're part of our war and our coalition.

I mean, you all can’t even handle your own peace talks. Kinda feel bad for TFP if you’re forced to represent them.

Good Game. It's amazing what can happen when people agree to terms.

And that's the question we'd ask TFP. Afterall, they could croak at any second. Shifty bringing you the cause of death: Could Guardian be putting so much pressure on poor TFP during CPR that it accidently punched a hole through it's chest? Just how exactly does Guardian plan to keep TFP, who is already losing badly, in the war? Bribes? Who will be left when the dust settles in such a fragmented AA? Violence? Can you really beat a corpse to death? Coup? How do you replace a leadership that was never there? Looks like this mystery may never be solved, but we do know TFP wants to be put out of its misery. All you need is the Mensa flag gravestone.

The knights Templar are at it again with these heinous crimes. but this time we have video proof take a look judge for yourself. This is why we will be dropping another one of our treaties. Credit: @Ameyuri for the Images.

Looks like TKR could learn something from Grumpy for once instead of finding new excuses every couple days.

"Quichwe returns home." (2019, black and white.)

Good Game.

I'm actually curious as to why people are upset about it. For one, IQ/Syndi want this war to continue. So does TKR/Guardian. Second, who else plans on doing anything during this time anyways? If you want to do something, then do it. This isn't going to stop you, nor should it.

Nope, I'm just an angry jackass.

I wish for the ability to be able to sort the bounties list. Maybe have an option that only shows bounties within your War range? Only certain colours (no racism lul)? From highest to lowest award? Score? You get the point. I’m sure it would make bounties and bounty hunting a much more commonplace activity.

Been a damn rough ride, but good fight guys. Here's to peace.

Stupid terms. Thoughts.

Now I'm no diplomat, but if TFP want a separate peace isn't that kind of up to them and not you guys? Y'all certainly have a right to waggle your fingers at them, but they're an independent alliance with a right to their own foreign policy decisions aren't they?

Lmfao here we go again You might not have been the ones who came up with the terms, but you spent the better part of a month arguing for their merit as if they were yours. By the last few weeks of that war, TCW was barely fighting, like less than 10% of all wars were TCW, TRF was getting jumped and dicked repeatedly by us as their activity waned and we had flipped their stats into the negative. TKR was the one doing all the work. At any point you could have chosen simply to drop those terms because you had all of the bargaining power. The only reason those terms ever got dropped is because TCW and TRF lacked the stamina to maintain them and none of you lacked the ability to argue with me for their merit (probably because there was none, as we all saw thanks to that Alex/Queen M thread). Its simple really, when you are the primary negotiator or a large and integral part of a coalition, and therefore have a large amount of leverage, you don't get to hide behind your smaller and less important allies when they try and push terms you supposedly don't support. I do find it ironic that according to multiple members of TKR and TCW, TGH was majorly responsible for the 6 month NAP with IQ you guys all complained about, despite being a smaller alliance in a wider coalition, with no leverage (what we gonna say, "If you peace out with a 6 month NAP, we'll.....peace out?" lmfao). Yet TKR apparently bares no responsibility for the terms their allies tried to push (they only failed because your allies were shit), despite making up like 70% of the coalition size, doing all the legwork, not even being allied to one of them, and being in the dominant position in the war. Have you learned nothing?

Propoganda? Or news?

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Not to worry, as we speak the pidgeon and I are working tirelessly to set up the destruction of IQ and restore the true hegemony to greatness. The Covenant will rise again!

I'm already confused reading the peace terms with that Grumpy name The good thing is that usually no one talks about The Fighting Pacifists Now that this is considered a different war and not part of Knightfall why are them still in the stats for Knightfall?

Would be a big insult to their sovereignty if they weren't permitted to seek their own peace. If they want to seek peace alongside your coalition and aren't being allowed by the opposition, that's also an issue. This does not seem to be the case, however.

Basically the terms are centered around the Mensa flag. Somehow Mensa is still relevant enough to become a term in a war.

Not by TFP’s own admission. And anyways it’s up to us whose fighting what wars not you, unless you are now saying guardian is in two wars. If that’s the case reach out and we can set a second group of terms!

But did you know @TheNG made Arrgh surrender?

Alex is having a game update come February. (basically 2 days) Is this the mandatory war update that will screw up the war a bit?

You have already announced the merger between the two alliances and their rebrand here: I see no reason for another announcement providing the same information, so I will be locking the thread.

I fundamentally disagree. Peace terms are an essential part of the bridge between politics and wars. Without delving into the fact that, yes, TKR has had a hand in imposing terms on numerous alliances in the past, your basic premise is wrong for two main reasons. 1) Wars establish or reinforce grudges and rivalries. The Mensa-Rose rivalry is probably the most famous so far, and it was built in part on peace terms. Rose signing a treaty with Mensa had more significance because of the $1 billion in reparations Rose paid Mensa when it surrendered in the Silent War. A lot of the Article III terms were added because alliances in TKR's coalition successfully imposed similar terms on alliances in our coalition in the past. The Article IV terms are about rivalries in naming color blocs. No one is going to go to war over the name of color, but that doesn't mean that Acadia, TCW, SK, and TKR aren't slightly annoyed that their preferred color names aren't always chosen. These aren't bad things. They make politics more interesting. I don't know if there's evidence to support your claim about driving players away, but there is evidence that public arguments like these are the most politically engaging parts of the game for most players. Consider this: the two topics with the most views and the most replies in Alliance Affairs are this one and Rose's Surrender from the Silent War, which is where NPO and BK had a 30-page argument about the reparations BK was trying to (and did) impose on NPO. 2) Peace terms are the most reliable way to establish and enforce informal rules. The precedent on reparations, for example, is that only aggressors should be forced to pay them. This was the case in the Great VE War and in the Silent War, and was cited as a justification for reparations in both. The terms surrounding Arrgh after UPN defeated them, after Syndisphere defeated UPN's coalition a few months later, and in Article VIII here are attempts to curtail or protect Arrgh's brand of piracy. Arrgh's success - and, by extension, the viability of full-time raiding - is partly built on Arrgh's ability to make major alliances willing to help Arrgh via peace terms. The terms in Articles V, VI, and VII are our coalition's attempt to set precedents regarding war dodging, trade bots, and secret treaties. Article V has a partial precedent in Rose's surrender in the Silent War - Belisarius and Oblige were subjected to additional wars because Rose's opponents felt they hadn't been damaged enough. Trade bots aren't illegal, but we dislike them; so, we're trying to get rid of TKR's bot. Exposing GOB's charade about being "paperless" is in keeping with both traditional and paperless alliances' conception of treaties: regardless of their formality, we feel all treaties should be made public. Part of the reason for the war was the power that TKR-sphere derived from bloat - massive warchests from bloated nations that hadn't fought a difficult war in years; power from maintaining treaties off the books with GOB, t$, or others despite public claims that they'd removed their FA bloat by "cancelling" most of their EMC treaties. If it's somehow unacceptable for our coalition to alter this status quo with peace terms, why was it acceptable for TKR-sphere to engage in these practices in the first place? The solution to displeasure with the current political dynamic is to change it, through force if necessary. The solution isn't to say that we should remove political consequences from wars, especially since wars are fought to address problems other than those posed by unchecked military power.

I don't really know how many times I have to say it OR show public examples of it OR write reports about it OR send messages to Alex about it, but MODERATION/MODERATORS are trash - every single one of them, even the ones I like outside of their mod role, cuz some are chill AF. Moderators are either horrible at their job or simply not here - so the best thing to do is to just say frick it and do what you want cuz either 1) nobody is gonna see it/care or 2) you'll get a warn point....and who gives a shit about that? People like Noctis are cancer - always have been cancer and this moderation/admin cater to cancer growth. Good luck with the petition - but it ain't the chemo you need.

You know i had a large reply made up for this pointing out the stupidity but to be honest I dont care enough to post it. The lack of moderation or ambition of the mods to read topics at all makes me laugh. " but we cannot patrol the entire forums on our own." as you stated is the best, since from where I can tell you seem to patrol none. (Hence my list of 6-7 topics to chris earlier that were in plain view with minimal work other than checking topic overviews once a while) I mean i personally dont find it to taxing to read topics, its not like 100 are posted a day in the main section, there is how many mods for you to split the work into

What: Ban @Noctis from positing on the forums indefinitely Why: Derailing almost any thread he steps foot into and constant complaining. ...... We must protect the "down vote hippo" at all costs (Hippo part is a joke, the rest is legit) So today i ask all sides of Orbis from TKR to BK to sign this to tell Alex we have had enough! Lets make the forums a better place to hate, lets keep the toxicity a acceptable level! We need to protect our wildlife and keep people from poaching our Hippos

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Similar to early 2018 when Polaris got hit, right?

Is always known to be prefontaine?

No something like this:

The acronym for Grumpy Old Bastards is GOB. It's a common misconception. It's not a separate war, just a separate peace. This has been explained already. Stop asking Frawley to pad your stats.

You don’t even have a nation tf you doing here lmao

Who's underlogic?

Lol Grumpy got swept

TFP are a sovereign entity and have dealt with us independently all through out. I’d rather deal with them since they have consented to a separate peace. But if you’d prefer to trample over your allies sovereignty be my guest.

Don't forget TCW too, that ICU room is gonna fill up.

TKR is just stubborn. So stubborn they'll happily kill their ally over it. TCW is on track to reach 70% member loss, by admission of TCW itself. That's not fat trimming, that's hacking off limbs. They're staying in the war for you, partly because if they left separately they may lose their allies, and they'd die from that. Ironically at this rate staying by your side is what will end them. This whole fat trimming thing is a really old and shitty face saving measure. Inst a few days ago said TKR was at 40% loss. Counting your red and purple inactives out, it's actually more like 50%. Those are some serious wounds, and 70% is a look at ones mortality. Honestly the fact they have allies at all after this is ridiculous. You're just dragging the corpse around and becoming one yourself.

These ideas are super slick. The problem is there are multiple ways to abuse the system without the rules we already have. I'm on the fence for this one.

The point of your post was whiny garbage about how TKR was all nice and merciful. Sounds like your alliances typical honor bullshit, so I repeat: shove it. Especially since it's verifiably false given the reasons you're being rolled right now are primarily for the little white sins you committed. Global wars about 6 months apart is normal isn't it? What's abnormal is having an opponent that's such a whiny full-of-themselves !@#$ that they won't just accept they've lost and move on for 4 months. You may not have demanded reparations or terms in prior wars, and stood by the Allie's who did, but the irony of doing that is that you became complicit and supportive of those terms. The irony is; you would've done better for your philosophical view by spending the political capital and taking a stand. Better to spend it on that than another DDR/69DW shitstorm. People *MIGHT* respect you for the former, at least. Congratulations, you can't even follow your own rules that well. You played yourself. Now stop choking the entire goddamn game for months because it makes you sad your enemies don't have your sense of honor. A snubbed hero turned to the dark side is far more fascinating anyway. So quit the philosophy rambling, you don't even follow it yourselves very well and no one else is buying in. Doesn't help when they've got no infra and can't afford to repair it to much of anything. I'm talking about people I personally know, and you can't repair 20 cities to... Much of anything with the cash stack your mentioning.

You can blame TKR-side leadership for a lot of the slow down. There's been a plethora of times where there has been no activity in the peace talks channel for weeks at a time. They've also accepted terms, and then gone back and said no they don't accept those terms without anything changing from there. It's been made clear several times that the terms are not going to be removed, and the things which have held up talks the most are effing ridiculous. Protecting the "honor" of VM-ers because you're such a delicate pile of garbage that you don't like them being labeled as "war dodgers" and want to protect their VM-protected infra while sacrificing rebuild time/resources of hundreds. Wanting to keep your trade bot active and still requiring art for to return trades because of "tradition" is a bad joke. If TKR was not in these peace talks I'm confident the war would have ended at least a month ago, if not 2. The fault for all of this rests on Adrienne. You're largely inactive in peace talks. Days and weeks go by without you making further effort. You cling to trying to protect your trash while doing disservice to the rest of the members. You're alliance has never really lost before, and are apparently incompetent as to how it works. As someone who has played these shit games for way too long, there are no harsh terms in the original surrender. Honestly the GoB one was the harshest of them, but even the child like reasoning skills of SRD were able to find a solution working with Ripper. But not Adrienne, you god damn dumpster fire of a leader. Step down. Give someone else the charge, you have 97 other members one of them is bound to have a brain because you sure as shit do not. To Justin's point you can assign blame to either side, and while I might be biased some there lies a major issue. This is IQ's first time winning, really. Lets say they flinch and give in to white peace after making such a point about terms, it shows anyone can just stick it out if they really don't want the terms. You can claim the same is TKR's side can be shown to give in to terms, but that's a part of losing. There was a hiccup in the TEst-Guardian term where we wanted them to write a couple paragraphs about something deity-flavored, they decided they didn't want to do the cosmetic/joke sort of term so we offered them 5B to get out of it or they could present a counter option in flavor with what was originally there. They simply chose to go with the original term. But that shows how quickly some of the speed bumps and stops can be resolved. Honestly it could have been done in a day or twos time should leadership been more active about it. tl;dr Yes it's stupid things have gone on this long. The fault largely rests with TKR. I hope their allies leave them to burn in the trash heap they've left them to burn in for extra months.

Imperial Decree- Polaris Greetings Comrades, On this day Polaris officially declares its existence in this realm. Many of us are new to your world, and we enter it acknowledging all who have gone before us and all that have contributed. We seek your indulgence as we learn your ways and customs and we appreciate the friendship and guidance we have received from the many welcoming friends. You will find us very straight forward to deal with and we trust that you will deal with us accordingly. We recognize our Protector, UPN, and thank them for their guidance and friendship as we formed our alliance. We thank you for your ongoing protection. We also recognize the alliances who have lost a member or two to our cause. If there is any issue requiring our attention, please feel free to make direct contact with us. Our forums are located at www.polarorder.net and our IRC Channel is #polarispnw This is an exciting day for Polaris, it is an exciting day for me and I am sure, if you were honest with yourselves, you would find it a little exciting too. If not, give it a little time. I would also like at this time to introduce our Government of Polaris, these people are empowered to speak on behalf of our alliance and you will find them in our channel or on our forum. AlmightyGrub - Emperor EaTeMuP - Regent Holton - Minister of Plenty Aero - Minister of Truth Mihail - Minister of Love As we come in peace, we have chosen not to fill the role of Minister of Peace at this time, this situation will no doubt change, but for now we are content to watch and learn from those who consider themselves our superiors in this world. AlmightyGrub Emperor Polaris Flag created by D34th.