Popular Post Avruch Posted April 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Time for an update! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CLq_ikPJNSG-fvmZFjLGsuuYv2YBfpHUOPjQAEYOTPg/edit?usp=sharing Since the last check-in, Inquisition et al have lost another 150k score (how low can they go?) while the defenders have suffered about 45k of score damage. That brings us to 245k damage on defense against 763k damage for the offense in this war. This figure doesn't account for rebuilding, so the real damage total on both sides is likely to be much higher. Biggest loser by points on the defense is now TKR, at 67k. Biggest loser on offense remains BK, now at 146k. BK has now lost nearly 52% of its starting score. Without checking, I suspect that's either a record or close to it for a loss in an aggressive war. Biggest loss by % is now Cobra Kai Dojo; not clear how much is damage and how much might be intentional demilitarization. The intrepid New Pacific Order, now helming its own attempted hegemoney, is at the bottom of the loss boards with only 38k (23%) damage since April 12th. That continues to be, by miles, the lowest percentage damage suffered among its friends and allies - and better even than some alliances on the winning side! This would be a great strategy for NPO, if only its bloc were winning instead of having its head stuffed in its ass. Edited April 24, 2017 by Avruch 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Does this include factors such as dropping military to down declare? Or is that counted as a loss? The Mensa/Zodiac side of the conflict is a lot of military growth/loss from score manipulation. Which I figure is why TKR could be at the biggest loss for the defensive side, due to dropping military to down declare. Edited April 24, 2017 by Buorhann 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Does this include factors such as dropping military to down declare? Or is that counted as a loss? The Mensa/Zodiac side of the conflict is a lot of military growth/loss from score manipulation. Just plain total nation score change. Definitely an imperfect measurement, but still a fairly useful gauge of war progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidude45454 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 So, um When do the peace negotiations and surrender threads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Does this include factors such as dropping military to down declare? Or is that counted as a loss? The Mensa/Zodiac side of the conflict is a lot of military growth/loss from score manipulation. Which I figure is why TKR could be at the biggest loss for the defensive side, due to dropping military to down declare. I haven't seen that on TKR's side yet, but recently they have been strengthening their low tier to declare on BK, VE, and NPO. If they have, it doesn't seem significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 VM nations are a big one as well. I'm actually fine with that not being separated out though, since really you're using those to measure war capacity/war losses and a nation that is in VM should be worth literally zero in that sense. Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubstomper Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Damn. Did not realize how many numbers were on the other side right before this war kicked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sans Posted April 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2017 Neat stats, thanks man. Ya, a lot of that has been the result of updeclares on us and a few members who zealously charged into the breach only to 3 man countered. But we have been dropping lately to continue the rout so I do not doubt a large percentage of that score change is the result intentional military loss. But don't let that stop you tr8torsphere folks who are looking for a ray of sunshine to cling to. 13 Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Does this include factors such as dropping military to down declare? Or is that counted as a loss? The Mensa/Zodiac side of the conflict is a lot of military growth/loss from score manipulation. Which I figure is why TKR could be at the biggest loss for the defensive side, due to dropping military to down declare. You're right For example this is my score And like me many other players 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Damn. Did not realize how many numbers were on the other side right before this war kicked off. IQ actually had near double the nations but overall lacked a proper and coordinated upper tier while the lower tier was rendered ineffectual for the entirety of Round 1; while I hate to admit it the bulk of NPO ended up clashing with other similarly scored folks from other alliances and after the entire whole tier was decimated it's only time until the lower tier in Syndisphere was bolstered and sent to down declare. VM nations are a big one as well. I'm actually fine with that not being separated out though, since really you're using those to measure war capacity/war losses and a nation that is in VM should be worth literally zero in that sense. Someone should point out how Pantheon had 1/6th of their nations in VM yet still managed to hold off a huge attack. While they are not as influential as TKR or Rose, they've certainly accomplished an impressive feat, almost as impressive as t$'s 1v7. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vack Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Thus far, it's been a pleasure to fight alongside Pantheon, TKR and WTF. I hope any clouds of doubt levied against Pantheon's competence or commitment are well and truly cleared at this point, seriously respectable showing and top class coordination throughout the entire war. Mad respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They will beat you up in 3rd round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 So, um When do the peace negotiations and surrender threads We're receptive to negotiations now. Some are being stubborn to prove a point about the updeclare/submarine strategy. Only alliance that has nothing to lose in that case is NPO, so it's all about if the rest want to follow suit on that or not. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Came for the stats, stayed for the epic roast. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblige Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Elderon best hippo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpiggyfoofoo Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) IQ Commanders Rn- Edit: Apparently Seeker disapproves of me shitposting against my own sphere huehue Edited April 24, 2017 by evilpiggyfoofoo 3 Quote Order fresh quality ads, flags, and graphics at Makin'Bacon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Came for the stats, stayed for the epic roast. When you feel victimized as hell and everyone hates on you. ignore the blitz pls, you're ruining my scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Another lesson in how to git gud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaakopu Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (Not biased not biased not biased) Quote wait this isnt black knights forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (Not biased not biased not biased) How exactly can monitoring score change be biased? The analysis of it, sure but the actual records of it is impossible to be swayed one way or another. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Gonna address the attempted hegemoney stuff once since it's so comically wrong and can only have a basis in external stuff. So let's look at it: as I said in the other topic the tiering was specifically a response to Syndisphere domination of the political landscape and IQ is recent thing. I'm sure we'll be taking some damage shortly. Our mil numbers recovered because some people that got knocked down in the first round were able to rebuy, but some with high mil will be losing tt soon. Until a few months ago, either there was going to be no split or it'd be a long lines of two groups that we weren't on friendly terms with in the slightest. The other side as I said has always seemingly attempted to use as a replacement for their previous antagonists. However, we never had the capacity be it economically(to grow allies) or militarily to provide such a challenge on our own and no one in our small circle of allies prior to IQ did. However, the refusal of majority of the core alliances in Syndisphere with the exception of BK to change things resulted in them and their close allies in CS/Zodiac giving up on change within the sphere. We have had no hegemonic ambitions nor the ability to act upon any and our role with IQ has been mainly a support one. They were the ones dissatisfied with the status quo and were willing to risk a lot to change it and we were willing to work with them to change things knowing they were the movers in this. The only thing coming close to a hegemoney and certainly a military and a cultural one is the one that Syndisphere has had. You set the values the wider game embraces. The norms, the reactions, the tone of the forums, and so forth have all been shaped by Syndisphere. There isn't really anything we could do to overturn all of that. We all know who the more hardcore/elitist alliances are and everyone knew going in this would be a challenge and many would be taking big hits in the upper tier due to the disparities between the sides. The constant attempts to paint us having a finger in every pie and tie all sorts of plots to us is thought of as a joke by most everyone who actually engages with me/us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 >We have had no hegemonic ambitions Does anyone actually believe this 1 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhuto Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 bottom line,#clapping continues but NPO send his friends and allies to get #clapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazaric Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Hey guys, remember that time that NPO didn't have any plans to become a hegemonic power? Yeah, me neither. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'm just super happy with Bluebear's Arrgh. S/o to dem bois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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