Prefontaine Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) When you say "and friends" who are you referencing? Just curious. http://politicsandwar.com/alliances/treatyweb/ The ones obligated to deal with the mess. NPO, Polaris, Alpha, and UPN I would assume. ^ EDIT: (I did get the joke though) Edited August 8, 2016 by Prefontaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) How is that not respectful? To turn the tide you either: a) consolidate the base and eventually skim off the satellites enough to win. dissolve the nucleus of a side and hope the winning side eventually cannibalizes itself. Neither of the above happened. It's not logical to suggest that or that any t$ side signs Rose/VE. Signing would signal an attempted consolidation of a new sphere. (See: Cannibalizing itself.) The t$ side does not need more NS. If anything it needs less or at least a continued target. I have also seen the MADP /somewhat neutral to World Affairs (GUARD). Disbanded. It did not work. In short, do I think that this could help reshape the world? Yes, but it'll be after VE and Rose are ripped limb from limb. They're still enough of a threat to not be let off. I suppose you could always sign them and have them take the brunt of the beatings to prove themselves. I have not been active in the politics in the game ever, but the underlying point remains. This thread just furthers the point on why a successful coalition could never be built. Like I said, Mutually Assured Destruction. Nothing against them personal, but I call it like I see it. I also do not think I have ever spoken to Rose/VE. Just a casual otherworld player with a PnW nation. Enough of a threat? To who? You are the only one calling them a threat here. Seems a bit paranoid tbh Edited August 8, 2016 by Lordship Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foltest Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 How is that not respectful? To turn the tide you either: a) consolidate the base and eventually skim off the satellites enough to win. dissolve the nucleus of a side and hope the winning side eventually cannibalizes itself. Neither of the above happened. It's not logical to suggest that or that any t$ side signs Rose/VE. Signing would signal an attempted consolidation of a new sphere. (See: Cannibalizing itself.) The t$ side does not need more NS. If anything it needs less or at least a continued target. I have also seen the MADP /somewhat neutral to World Affairs (GUARD). Disbanded. It did not work. In short, do I think that this could help reshape the world? Yes, but it'll be after VE and Rose are ripped limb from limb. They're still enough of a threat to not be let off. I suppose you could always sign them and have them take the brunt of the beatings to prove themselves. I have not been active in the politics in the game ever, but the underlying point remains. This thread just furthers the point on why a successful coalition could never be built. Like I said, Mutually Assured Destruction. Nothing against them personal, but I call it like I see it. I also do not think I have ever spoken to Rose/VE. Just a casual otherworld player with a PnW nation. It's definitely possible for them to get hit now that they've isolated themselves. But why would anyone want to re-unify your sphere by targetting VE/Rose? If anything, the only people it'd be remotely smart for is you (NPO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Unless NPO and friends are going to be the ones doing the ripping, I don't see that happening soon to VE/Rose. I don't see Syndicate-Sphere looking to punish them for leaving the over treatied world behind a bit, I'd imagine they'd be more like to go after you all again then hit Rose/VE. For the record, I agree with you. T-Pain's speculation is just based on how he's observed things in his browser game experience. Nothing else to say here really. Best of luck to Paragon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post durmij Posted August 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2016 -snip- Yeah everyone's lining up to stomp people not tied to the 2 spheres. Like the Fighting Pacifists. And TEst. And ARRGH. And Roz Wei. Shit, forget those last 2. 11 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 EDIT: (I did get the joke though) Thanks. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyvbuck Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Zero wouldn't complain about it, he would destroy the status quo. You are the definition of a weeb, now calm down meow. That is not how politics plays out in this type of game. It will always resolve to a bi-polar alliance structure. Congrats to both of you! Which I find boring as !@#$ lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) Now only if other's would follow suit like they said they would!Congrats rose and VE Edited August 8, 2016 by James II 1 Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Which I find boring as !@#$ lol A bipolar world is reality. I do suppose you could maintain a tripolar one for a bit but it will regress to a bipolar one. I make no claims about its boring-ness or not. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 A bipolar world is reality. I do suppose you could maintain a tripolar one for a bit but it will regress to a bipolar one. I make no claims about its boring-ness or not. not really. Tripolar i could accept, but thats a really forced acceptance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Cool, cool. I am happy to see the experiment. And srs, good luck! Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted August 8, 2016 Wiki Mod Share Posted August 8, 2016 Congrats Rose & VE, condolences treaty web. Also for clarification does this include protectorates being dropped? Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinevere Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 So can someone sum it up for people who are dumb like me (jk I'm not dumb). Who all is cancelled on? (or am I?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackAnimal Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) Protectorates and optional defence are kept, everything else is gone (treaty web shows who is kept) (I withhold the right to be wrong lol) Paragon 0/ Edited August 8, 2016 by Rook 1 Quote Mans two modes of existence can be thought of as his light and dark side. He is either the Protector or the Ravager. The Immovable Object or the Unstoppable Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Congrats Rose & VE, condolences treaty web. Also for clarification does this include protectorates being dropped? All MD level treaties are dropped, so Valkyrie, Alpha, UPN, and The Light Federation. WTF, Fark and Pantheon treaties are still valid, so are our protectorates with Oblivion, The 13th, Order of Storms, and Rotary Club International. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 /o Rose, VE Why mutual aggression? Blood for the blood god, duh (Also, been waiting for this for like a year, damn) 1 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Fewer treaties is always good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilac Veritas Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Been waiting for this change. I hate treaty chess, and now the only treaty chess we play is with our closest ally, whom we have bought closer. o/ To a new era, whether our blood will rain due to this remains to be seen, but at least we decided to mess with the stagnation in the bipolar world 2 Quote As you sow, so shall you reap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Good on you guys for paving the way to end the stagnation that rots this world. It takes a brave leader to take the first step. I as well as many of my colleagues applaud both VE and Rose for the innovation the courage they have shown this day. o/ 4 Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzers Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ballsy play, with this much on the line. Paragon has my respect for this move, and I congratulate you for having the courage to take such steps to make the game fresh for everyone. However, I do have a question. What about shared protectorates, like OOS? Will Rose continue to coordinate with UPN over that one? Quote Roll Squeegee pact with Redarmy and Ameyuri Blues Brothers pact with Redarmy Leader of the Elyion Resistance. If it's backed by NPO, you know it's evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollocks Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Finally decided to go with the "Flip the table" option eh Keegoz? Quote The Coalition Discord: https://discord.gg/WBzNRGK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 This is nice. Congratulations to the New Rose Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted August 8, 2016 Author Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ballsy play, with this much on the line. Paragon has my respect for this move, and I congratulate you for having the courage to take such steps to make the game fresh for everyone. However, I do have a question. What about shared protectorates, like OOS? Will Rose continue to coordinate with UPN over that one? We've held protectorates jointly with non-allied alliances before, most notably Pantheon. We will continue to do what we believe is in OOS's best interests. Finally decided to go with the "Flip the table" option eh Keegoz? Clearly I have referenced House of Cards too often. 6 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 How is that not respectful? To turn the tide you either: a) consolidate the base and eventually skim off the satellites enough to win. dissolve the nucleus of a side and hope the winning side eventually cannibalizes itself. Neither of the above happened. It's not logical to suggest that or that any t$ side signs Rose/VE. Signing would signal an attempted consolidation of a new sphere. (See: Cannibalizing itself.) The t$ side does not need more NS. If anything it needs less or at least a continued target. I have also seen the MADP /somewhat neutral to World Affairs (GUARD). Disbanded. It did not work. In short, do I think that this could help reshape the world? Yes, but it'll be after VE and Rose are ripped limb from limb. They're still enough of a threat to not be let off. I suppose you could always sign them and have them take the brunt of the beatings to prove themselves. I have not been active in the politics in the game ever, but the underlying point remains. This thread just furthers the point on why a successful coalition could never be built. Like I said, Mutually Assured Destruction. Nothing against them personal, but I call it like I see it. I also do not think I have ever spoken to Rose/VE. Just a casual otherworld player with a PnW nation. Gaslighting is wrong, mmmk? Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekejen Luish Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 You guys know they disbanded all MD pacts with other alliances because there's about to be another huge war, right...? Quote This is very small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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