Popular Post Raphael Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 This is completely spurred by conversation I've been having in the Orbis Debate Forum discord server, and I realized that there is a trend worth discussing: Wars in PnW for the last year or so have been almost completely devoid of In-character discussion or importance. I write this while reflecting on my own involvement with TKR and Hollywood DoW posts, reflecting upon t$ or Rose posts, or the usual lack of anyone besides the top 10 posting anything at all on the forums in-character. I can't really think, beyond some vague references to revenge, of any IC content that has been posted regarding global wars. Almost exclusively, DoW's have been memes, jokes, or thematic to the sphere - but generally lacking In-character elaborations. This reflection began when I saw that GGO getting hit immediately spurred several threads to "name the global war", "global war propaganda", etc. and I couldn't help but notice that GGO has less than 100 people in their entire sphere. Rose+Eclipse are two pretty large alliances, but probably less than half of them are actually fighting since it's an entirely-upper tier war. So my initial question was: Does 200 or fewer people fighting equate to the same thing as NPOLT? Should this go down in the wiki as a great battle of political significance? Which has lead me into another question: Does GGO getting hit have any political significance? It may have consequences, GGO might seek to join another sphere after this for safety. Rose and Eclipse might sign a treaty now that Celestial is dissolving. Does the war itself have political significance though? If so, what is it? Petty revenge for actions in Hollywood? Disdain for whales (while TEst is involved on the aggressor's side)? We could never really know. Rose posted a birthday cake picture, which was admittedly funny, but not really much of anything in the way of an in-character explanation or statement of what's going on or what the goal is. Eclipse posted a meme about erections. So this "global" war does not involve the vast majority of the globe, does not carry enough political weight to apparently warrant a serious post, and overall I haven't seen much discussion on the war itself in public areas like these forums or RON or elsewhere. Meanwhile, for a dichotomous example, Hand of Fate raided TKR on a whim with effectively no CB other than thinking we'd put up a better fight than other targets - yet they had almost a page worth of forum replies (plus the original post) entirely of In-Character roleplayed responses and reasonings. I've always been a person to look for a reason why, even while in Arrgh I would make long posts about paperlessness, democracy, and freedom to play as you want - I personally think this game shines brightest when you have a purpose or at least a character to play. So I'm not here to hate on Rose or Eclipse or HoF, but to simply ask: What kind of political world are we, as leaders and players, creating and working towards? What is the point of Politics and War if no one will engage in politics? 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Puns Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just because Hodor or Kata haven’t posted recently doesn’t mean you can call them out like this 3 Quote 22:26 +Kadin: too far man 22:26 +Kadin: too far 22:26 Lordofpuns[boC]: that's the point of incest Kadin 22:26 Lordofpuns[boC]: to go farther 22:27 Bet: or father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 This was pushed by the fact that sphere vs sphere wars usually counted as globals for some reason pertaining to the new-ish microsphere meta. However GG, kO’d has been removed from global war status on the wiki and is now just a normal conflict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indger Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Marika said: Orbis Debate Forum discord server https://discord.gg/uxN9ZjJrz5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteking Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Marika said: Rose posted a birthday cake picture, which was admittedly funny, but not really much of anything in the way of an in-character explanation or statement of what's going on or what the goal is. We were hit without a CB. Mystery solved. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Kell Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) There is politics! The politics is, however, not taken from the perspective of someone playing a character in the game of Orbis. People don't expect a RP element, they expect your words to reflect your character outside the game. People see things that Epi did and said, in real life he must be a scum bag. People joke about Rose being too touchy and taking everything to heart, but almost everyone reading this post does it. When someone, playing the game, does something political in ORBIS that slights you, you don't think "well played" or "wow, more fun drama." No, people here think "wow, he must be an awful person." "he probably lies to his family the way he lied to people in this game." "This person is a real dirtbag and should be called out everywhere for his actions." AND when people did RP and spent time writing out things that were DESCRIPTIVE and INTERESTING, people picked them apart, finding anything they didn't like. Then, instead of engaging with the RP, they call the poster names and act as if he/she should be chastised until they quit Orbis or never post a RP again. My advice for people who want Orbis to be IRL drama free? RP, see the separation between the person's profile pic and the actual human behind the screen. Have fun if someone insults you. Laugh at the joke, because (it should be) aimed at your profile pic, not you as a human being. Edited September 7, 2022 by J Kell 1 2 Quote Listen to J Kell's new single: About The Author An early member of Roz Wei in 2015, J Kell went on to stay within the paperless world of Empyrea before signing with Soup Kitchen while scoring a record deal in 2019. J Kell went on to release multiple Orbis Top 40 hits. In 2020, J Kell took a break from Orbis. He's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, wasteking said: We were hit without a CB. Mystery solved. I explicitly wasn't only calling out Rose here - I stated TKR, t$, etc. are also culpable -- but all three of us are still better than the groups who post nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Horsecock Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, wasteking said: We were hit without a CB. Mystery solved. The CB was PENIS, I believe we were clear about that. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denison Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 PENIS 7 Quote Janny Larpers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblade Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, wasteking said: We were hit without a CB. Mystery solved. What's a CB? :serious: But in all seriousness, doesn't that mean we can hit Eclipse back since they gave no CB? :wesmart: Edited September 7, 2022 by darkblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velyni Vas Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Ultimately, for myself, when it comes to a forum or somewhere to post/reasonings I always try to strive to only give IC point of views, thoughts and explanations. Surely I could post more in the forums but ultimately we need a lot more individuals who are willing to do it as well and not shun anyone who makes an attempt. Heck, when I see a micro try it makes me happy to see they take their Alliance seriously. I personally believe it’s due to no one role-playing a nation or an actual leader. Not that there needs to be the corny side of it all but just that seriousness of views/stances. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 Well when a response to a post is just saying salt over and over again, its tough to have a discourse. and conversation is a two way street, its tough to talk when Rose never responds. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etat Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, J Kell said: . PnW is a sim in so many interesting ways! Quote Celer Et Audax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramona Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, wasteking said: We were hit without a CB. Mystery solved. Pulling the brawlywood CB out the trash bin of history and wiping off the dust, I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSKsplick Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Rose: coping they were rolled for the 1000000th time and needed a win Eclipse: seething we slotted their prot after they got caught spying and then proceeded to escalate and counter those counters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, BSKsplick said: Rose: coping they were rolled for the 1000000th time and needed a win Eclipse: seething we slotted their prot after they got caught spying and then proceeded to escalate and counter those counters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Schmo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 the politics is mostly us laughing at banks getting looted and screaming hegemony whenever someone does something we don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidude45454 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 My biggest gripe with politics is how dumbed down it's become. There's always been people throwing salt accusations around but when it's basically the only thing that happens these days (and I blame RON entirely for this) alongside just snark one-liners there's really no incentive to participate. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopold von Habsburg Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 What do you mean @Marika, the forums have been better off with less T$ posting and keyboard warriors! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartarus Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, hidude45454 said: My biggest gripe with politics is how dumbed down it's become. There's always been people throwing salt accusations around but when it's basically the only thing that happens these days (and I blame RON entirely for this) alongside just snark one-liners there's really no incentive to participate. How dare you not engage in stupidity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Leopold von Habsburg said: What do you mean @Marika, the forums have been better off with less T$ posting and keyboard warriors! Basically admitting the only way t$ can refrain from toxicity is by not posting at all isn't the burn you think it is. Wana's been posting a good share of WoT's though so it's really not t$ causing the problem. Edited September 8, 2022 by Marika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopold von Habsburg Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, Marika said: Basically admitting the only way t$ can refrain from toxicity is by not posting at all isn't the burn you think it is. Wana's been posting a good share of WoT's though so it's really not t$ causing the problem. It's more the inconsistencies in what you preach in the heat of the moment. You want people to post but you only want them to post certain things. If you don't like it you start a crusade that it is toxic or repetative or adds nothing and should therefore stop. We even see some of it in this very own topic. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vanek26 Posted September 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Leopold von Habsburg said: It's more the inconsistencies in what you preach in the heat of the moment. You want people to post but you only want them to post certain things. If you don't like it you start a crusade that it is toxic or repetative or adds nothing and should therefore stop. We even see some of it in this very own topic. The best way to win on these forums is just to not post. And now I've lost. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 13 hours ago, hidude45454 said: I blame RON 5 Quote Inform Zigbir I have forgotten how to edit the signature field Please remind me how to do it post haste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Leopold von Habsburg said: It's more the inconsistencies in what you preach in the heat of the moment. You want people to post but you only want them to post certain things. If you don't like it you start a crusade that it is toxic or repetative or adds nothing and should therefore stop. We even see some of it in this very own topic. I called out Krampus and Jaden (both Blackwater allies at that point) for posting dismissive one-liners on a serious post - You can try to twist and worm your way away from the facts but it won't help you when you're literally posting the logs supporting my consistency. I called for better content then, I call for better content now. You, as usual, are throwing your own implications onto my words and spinning like a helicopter to try and dodge the fact that Syndicate threw a huge fit when confronted about their bad behaviors and rather than acknowledge and improve, you yourself admit that many t$ posters would rather take their ball and go home. It's not about my dictations of what should or shouldn't be posted, but it's not crazy to ask for a serious response to serious posts. Pretending that saying that is the same as telling you never to post is honestly astounding levels of spin on a post aimed at trying to encourage the community to look at its own trends. Stop making this a t$ thread. Edited September 8, 2022 by Marika 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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