Popular Post ChrisNorcras Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) In the Oceanian Ministry of Love, thousands of citizens were working through the dark hours of the night making sure that the history of the great alliance of Oceania remained true to the vision that Big Brother desired. As they worked, the lights began to flicker as the rumble of what sounded like thunder rolled across the land. A comrade looking out one of the windows gasped in fear as enemy bombers flew overhead, dropping their payloads on Oceanian cities. Citizens began to panic, some rushing towards the exits. Then, suddenly, just as quickly as it began, the bombing stopped. The Telescreens across Oceania came to life, the calm, stalwart face of Big Brother appearing and addressing the citizens as he had so many times before... "Good evening, Comrades. I desired to speak to you all this evening to remind you that Oceania is not at war. In fact, Oceania has never been at war. Everything is as it should be, and all citizens should continue with their assigned tasks immediately. Remember, your hard work will ensure that Oceania continues to be the bastion of peace and safety. The principles of Ingsoc will continue to help us to persevere through any adversity. Victory for Oceania!" With that, the telescreen broadcasts a rousing rendition of "Oceania, Tis For Thee" as the myriad citizens of the alliance settle back into their tasks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQKt_LUgCcA tldr: Oceania has accepted a white peace offered by the Rose/Oasis/Mystery Inc. coalition. No new wars will be declared and all current wars will be peaced/allowed to time out. Edited May 29, 2021 by ChrisNorcras 10 4 4 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicPepper Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 We should slot you just for this post.. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alyster Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 minute ago, ToxicPepper said: We should slot you just for this post.. Not sure Aurora could handle them. I mean all by yourself. Doing something on your own for once. That'd be a shocker. 29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicPepper Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 minute ago, alyster said: Not sure Aurora could handle them. I mean all by yourself. Doing something on your own for once. That'd be a shocker. You’re right, how could we handle an alliance that puts a person who’s AFK in their bank to get looted 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 minute ago, ToxicPepper said: You’re right, how could we handle an alliance that puts a person who’s AFK in their bank to get looted I'm not sure if you guys have handled anything but lying in Pnw. Ever. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Weak 3 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 minute ago, alyster said: Not sure Aurora could handle them. I mean all by yourself. Doing something on your own for once. That'd be a shocker. I know right... imagine actually being involved in a war where you don't have a number advantage of at least 3:1! Or returning to fight with your old allies after you've 'left' them and formed a new 'separate' bloc... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Iroha Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 is it 3.5:1 now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Schmo Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 oh no. not Oceania! Hollywood needs everyone they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zigbigadorlou Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 Who are you and why are you war dodging 2 3 7 1 Quote Hey Krampus, the signature edit is under account settings. Actually, here's the link. https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/settings/signature/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicPepper Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Mac said: I know right... imagine actually being involved in a war where you don't have a number advantage of at least 3:1! Or returning to fight with your old allies after you've 'left' them and formed a new 'separate' bloc... Wasn’t it 3:1 when it was HW v Rose? The salt and hypocrisy is overflowing, try to limit it. 4 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingawoo Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Did you ditch your protectorate and your entire bloc out of this war? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit The Frog Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Big Mac said: I know right... imagine actually being involved in a war where you don't have a number advantage of at least 3:1! Or returning to fight with your old allies after you've 'left' them and formed a new 'separate' bloc... I know right, imagine declaring on someone just because the allied with someone you didn't like. Imagine that being your CB. keeping in mind we allied after the war was done 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulu Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicPepper Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kermit The Frog said: I know right, imagine declaring on someone just because the allied with someone you didn't like. Imagine that being your CB. keeping in mind we allied after the war was done It seems you have forgotten what actually happened? You were our prot, we declared on TCM, then as we were at war with them you made a forum post saying you’re signing them without us having any prior knowledge except minutes before the post. So you got dropped by us and HS and rolled by us a month later, looks like CHB is dead due to your bad management. Should learn from your experience not try to justify bad FA 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 49 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said: Wasn’t it 3:1 when it was HW v Rose? It was 1.3:1. What a horrific dogpile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cooper_ Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) First, I'd just like to say that TKR fully supports Oceania's decision here. We always give our protectorates the choice to join a war, and we've worked to keep them out in the past when they've chosen to avoid war. In this instance, miscommunications led to attacks on Oceania that our efforts couldn't avoid. I appreciate the work on both sides here to get this resolved. I think that's all that needs to be said. No need for politicization. 1 hour ago, ToxicPepper said: Wasn’t it 3:1 when it was HW v Rose? The salt and hypocrisy is overflowing, try to limit it. Second, @ToxicPepper I already explained this to your whole FA team even though it seems to have gone over your head. It was 1.3:1 when HW enterred against Rose, and it was 1.6:1 when Oasis entered against HW and now 2:1 with y'all's entry. There is no way to justify your war because it results in a simple dilemma. Option A is that we call the first war against Rose a dogpile, but that means your entry was a dogpile of triple the magnitude making you a hypocrite and invalidating your CB. Option B is that it wasn't a dogpile by virtue of being closer than any global Aurora has ever fought in, which means y'all don't have a CB and also have an invalid entry. In either case, you don't have a justification for being in this war. Now, please bring the lies somewhere else. Edited May 29, 2021 by Cooper_ 2 24 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiloist II Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 Fine I’ll be the one to say it... good fight Oceania. Hope your rebuild goes well, you gained useful experience, and most of all hope you had some fun. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhearl Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cooper_ said: We always give our protectorates the choice to join a war, and we've worked to keep them out in the past when they've chosen to avoid war. Ahh what a nice option for your protectorates to have. If only you would maintain that same attitude towards others instead of bringing protectorates into a war as your sphere did. Edited May 29, 2021 by Mhearl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 We said from the start that we were not going to participate in this war. This was communicated to TKR before the war even began. As Cooper said, no need for politicization. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 While sad not to be fighting along side y'all again, I'm glad your wishes not to participate have been respected. Hope your rebuild goes well. ❤️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicPepper Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Cooper_ said: First, I'd just like to say that TKR fully supports Oceania's decision here. We always give our protectorates the choice to join a war, and we've worked to keep them out in the past when they've chosen to avoid war. In this instance, miscommunications led to attacks on Oceania that our efforts couldn't avoid. I appreciate the work on both sides here to get this resolved. I think that's all that needs to be said. No need for politicization. Second, @ToxicPepper I already explained this to your whole FA team even though it seems to have gone over your head. It was 1.3:1 when HW enterred against Rose, and it was 1.6:1 when Oasis entered against HW and now 2:1 with y'all's entry. There is no way to justify your war because it results in a simple dilemma. Option A is that we call the first war against Rose a dogpile, but that means your entry was a dogpile of triple the magnitude making you a hypocrite and invalidating your CB. Option B is that it wasn't a dogpile by virtue of being closer than any global Aurora has ever fought in, which means y'all don't have a CB and also have an invalid entry. In either case, you don't have a justification for being in this war. Now, please bring the lies somewhere else. You’re really trying to convince everyone outside your sphere about this whole total nations crap and it’s just not working. First of all, I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers cause my numbers show a completely different story. HW vs Rose is a dogpile on Rose to any logical person with eyes and half a brain. Let’s take your mark that HW vs Rose is 1.3:1 idk who you include in your numbers or who you’re excluding but even with that number you’re including tier 1-5 where Rose has about 150-200 more nations than HW. Whereas HW wins everywhere past city 10. Congrats, it’s a really fair war! Rose has more noobs than HW, not a dogpile! 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cooper_ Posted May 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Mhearl said: Ahh what a nice option for your protectorates to have. If only you would maintain that same attitude towards others instead of bringing protectorates into a war as your sphere did. I can't control the actions of my spheremates (they can and do have different stances as is the nature of a sphere), but TKR was instructed to avoid Swords until aggressive action was taken against TKR. I did make a fuss about this internally, and agree with you. I think Yarr and RnR are exceptions to this by virtue of their history and somewhat abnormally-recognized protectorate status. 1 hour ago, ToxicPepper said: First of all, I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers cause my numbers show a completely different story. HW vs Rose is a dogpile on Rose to any logical person with eyes and half a brain. Let’s take your mark that HW vs Rose is 1.3:1 idk who you include in your numbers or who you’re excluding but even with that number you’re including tier 1-5 where Rose has about 150-200 more nations than HW. Whereas HW wins everywhere past city 10. Congrats, it’s a really fair war! Rose has more noobs than HW, not a dogpile! You should note I didn't actually claim whether or not the initial war was a dogpile because the nature of a logical dilemma means that you don't have a valid CB whether or not it was a dogpile. Put simply, the response to "hmm I don't like that HW is dogpiling" isn't "let me go dogpile them instead but three times worse." You literally become the problem you state you're against. That is the definition of hypocrisy, and the entirety of the Aurora FA department does not have a single response to this. I'll bite for one last time though on the numbers. I walked through this with you. Personally. We used total city counts because that's the simplest statistic for military potential (most relevant military units are acquired relative to city count). If I used total nation counts, the numbers would be even more lopsided in your favor and make my argument even stronger. No one is arguing that it was a fair war (mostly because Rose was demilled), but the numbers evidence that it could've been competitive at multiple tiers on paper. Your alliance (and Camelot) haven't participated in a global with numbers anywhere close to this, including your participation in this one. Please cite the actual tiering numbers for reference: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan0601 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 4 hours ago, alyster said: I'm not sure if you guys have handled anything but lying in Pnw. Ever. I have no clue what you are smoking but keep telling yourself that! 4 hours ago, Big Mac said: I know right... imagine actually being involved in a war where you don't have a number advantage of at least 3:1! Or returning to fight with your old allies after you've 'left' them and formed a new 'separate' bloc... What is 300 c15 going to do to 30 c40, if you count that as number advantage you are very smart. 3 hours ago, Cooper_ said: First, I'd just like to say that TKR fully supports Oceania's decision here. We always give our protectorates the choice to join a war, and we've worked to keep them out in the past when they've chosen to avoid war. In this instance, miscommunications led to attacks on Oceania that our efforts couldn't avoid. I appreciate the work on both sides here to get this resolved. I think that's all that needs to be said. No need for politicization. Second, @ToxicPepper I already explained this to your whole FA team even though it seems to have gone over your head. It was 1.3:1 when HW enterred against Rose, and it was 1.6:1 when Oasis entered against HW and now 2:1 with y'all's entry. There is no way to justify your war because it results in a simple dilemma. Option A is that we call the first war against Rose a dogpile, but that means your entry was a dogpile of triple the magnitude making you a hypocrite and invalidating your CB. Option B is that it wasn't a dogpile by virtue of being closer than any global Aurora has ever fought in, which means y'all don't have a CB and also have an invalid entry. In either case, you don't have a justification for being in this war. Now, please bring the lies somewhere else. Now idk about you but someone said something about rolling Mystery after the 1 month NAP on morf show. As I have said many times Camelot Aurora Weeb joined agianst HW because we put effort and time into working on the multi sphere dream, to have that destoryed in day 2 is very insulting to everyone who put effort into it that includes T$, Rose and Oasis sphere. IDK what HM is thinking but preaching and complaining about Oasis adding Camelot then turn around to make your own super sphere isnt looking good for you guys. Also adding TKR sphere into HM to make HW is a clear sign of upper tier consolidation, it takes 3 spheres to equal or kind of equal out your upper tier numbers. If you believe 300 c15 nations is a dogpile on 30 c40 i dont know what you are smoking man. You have the upper tier control and most wars outcome is upper tier fights! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arln Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 4 hours ago, ToxicPepper said: Wasn’t it 3:1 when it was HW v Rose? The salt and hypocrisy is overflowing, try to limit it. About 3:2 to be exact 19 minutes ago, Kan0601 said: I have no clue what you are smoking but keep telling yourself that! What is 300 c15 going to do to 30 c40, if you count that as number advantage you are very smart. Now idk about you but someone said something about rolling Mystery after the 1 month NAP on morf show. As I have said many times Camelot Aurora Weeb joined agianst HW because we put effort and time into working on the multi sphere dream, to have that destoryed in day 2 is very insulting to everyone who put effort into it that includes T$, Rose and Oasis sphere. IDK what HM is thinking but preaching and complaining about Oasis adding Camelot then turn around to make your own super sphere isnt looking good for you guys. Also adding TKR sphere into HM to make HW is a clear sign of upper tier consolidation, it takes 3 spheres to equal or kind of equal out your upper tier numbers. If you believe 300 c15 nations is a dogpile on 30 c40 i dont know what you are smoking man. You have the upper tier control and most wars outcome is upper tier fights! You put time into making a multi sphere dream?!?!?!? What the hell is Mystery Inc it definitely it isn’t a mini sphere, mate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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