naTia Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Just now, Epi said: @Frawley Imo they should've stayed, alliances aren't really able to choose 'who's at war' lol. It becomes obvious after a certain point ? And they are contributing to the destruction of Blackfyre. Might be worth a debate for future cases. Not a bad point. IIRC, Blackfyre is already considered an SK extension in the statistics, so it makes a degree of sense. However, to Buorhann's point, they're simply not a coordinated combatant. As well, Arrgh currently has 2 active wars against TGH, 1 against Empyrea, and 1 against KT. Despite the fact that Arrgh is attacking Chaos to a greater degree, it still seems clear to me that these are opportunistic raids rather than any sort of front in the war. 1 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRebelMan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Frawley said: I'll setup a seperate thread later today, and we can come up with some community rules as to how we handle these circumstances for stats tracking. I'm happy to be guided by some sensible consistent policy. Why don't you just pm Rawr? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Arrgh you can only get some to assist, but as a whole the alliance is free to attack whoever they want. So even if Boyce agreed to help, wouldn't be a decision binding on all of Arrgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayor Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Bloody pirates!! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Justin076 said: Do you really think you're that important that we would actually hire mercs to hit you? lmao this is the first I heard that SK had a training alliance. well you didnt think valinor or nova were important and look what happened lol Edited May 28, 2019 by hope 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, hope said: well you didnt think valinor or nova were important and look what happened lol The point you're trying to argue is fairly debatable. It's entirely possible that attempting to cover all of you right at the beginning would have been worse than the strategy that was employed. You don't want to over extend horribly in the first round. That allows reserves (as there is almost no way they could have effectively covered everyone on your side) to enter in and make an already spread out force even weaker. Also, while I am sure you could use guerrilla tactics to some extent or the other, it's not quite in the same category as Valinor or Nova. Edited May 28, 2019 by Dio Brando 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Sketchy Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, hope said: well you didnt think valinor or nova were important and look what happened lol We intentionally left them out of the initial blitz, as well as Blackfyre and The Federation because we didn't have the manpower to cover all of them and wanted to focus the larger alliances and wait for them to counter. If fighting at a numbers disadvantage is "opportunistic" I think you need to whip out a dictionary and brush up on some things. Also the idea we'd hire some random commie alliance to hit you is laughable and its sad you couldn't be bothered to do your due diligence and verify pretty obvious bullshit before you marched your 3 nations into battle. If that is the actual reason you entered, rather than the one we all assumed, that you were protecting your protector, then lmfao u got played by a micro. Anyway carry on being the only salty person on your side I was getting bored of all the nice people anyway. 1 2 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 And this was supposed to be war without salt. Some things can never be changed I guess ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I tried a salt-free diet once. It sucked. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roq Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 9:12 PM, Lycus said: Have fun guys. @CitrusK seems our date has been postponed. ? That's sad dude. We can talk about the next possible time both of us are free Let's talk then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Inst said: I tried a salt-free diet once. It sucked. But all this salt gonna give Orbis heart disease. And once Orbis dies then... well we actually have to deal with real life for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I apologize in advance for this being a whole entire thing now. I get that I was intentionally provocative in my original post to Buorhann, which was the point, so I understand that the KETOG hive mind is having a bit of an aneurysm. I am going to type out a whole entire response to this, since Sketchy is being purposefully disingenuous, and Dio made a fair point that I want to address. Let's get to it! 59 minutes ago, Dio Brando said: The point you're trying to argue is fairly debatable. It's entirely possible that attempting to cover all of you right at the beginning would have been worse than the strategy that was employed. You don't want to over extend horribly in the first round. That allows reserves (as there is almost no way they could have effectively covered everyone on your side) to enter in and make an already spread out force even weaker. Also, while I am sure you could use guerrilla tactics to some extent or the other, it's not quite in the same category as Valinor or Nova. So yes, this was something that I actually brought up in private channels. I actually agree to a point that it made sense to not attack Valinor or Nova Riata round one. There were a lot of nations that would have had to been fully neutralized before KETOG could confidently and securely move on to protectorate and satellite alliances However, Blackfyre had two nations that were above 2k score. Two. In fact, even Seven Kingdoms had around eight nations in the main alliance that hadn't been attacked at all the within the first few hours of the war. Perhaps it was disorganization, perhaps they just think SK is really weak. However, it ended up biting them in the arse later on that so many nations were completely free of defensive wars. Now, I don't think we'll ever know which strategy would have been the most effective, but KETOG are in a fairly weak spot now in the lower-mid tier. Perhaps they could have focused on only nations above 3k score. At the end of the day though, what's done is done so it isn't fairly pertinent. 15 minutes ago, Sketchy said: We intentionally left them out of the initial blitz, as well as Blackfyre and The Federation because we didn't have the manpower to cover all of them and wanted to focus the larger alliances and wait for them to counter. If fighting at a numbers disadvantage is "opportunistic" I think you need to whip out a dictionary and brush up on some things. I get Nova, but I don't see why you'd leave out two 20 city nations. Those were the only relevant nations, so I don't see any point as to why you couldn't have attacked us. Also, I was saying that the money grab in Knightfall to join in on a dogpile and hitting TRF was opportunistic. 15 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Also the idea we'd hire some random commie alliance to hit you is laughable and its sad you couldn't be bothered to do your due diligence and verify pretty obvious bullshit before you marched your 3 nations into battle. If that is the actual reason you entered, rather than the one we all assumed, that you were protecting your protector, then lmfao u got played by a micro. I mean, what due diligence was there to do. Said alliance claimed you wanted them to hit us, we took them at their word. Now before you twist this, we of course considered that it was false. In fact, most of us just assumed it was some weird flex, and instead found it amusing. We moved on after we confirmed with Electric Space that they didn't condone it. Also, what? Are you drunk? "March our 3 nations into battle." I mean we defended ourselves, and we had Blackfyre noobs "entering" after Empyrea attacked our smaller guys. AND WHAT PROTECTOR?? Our alliance page CLEARLY states that we are an EXTENSION of Seven Kingdoms. There is no PROTECTOR. What was that you said about doing due diligence and using a dictionary 15 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Anyway carry on being the only salty person on your side I was getting bored of all the nice people anyway. See, I like to think that the PnW community is fairly, uh, decent most of the time. But for some reason, come war-time, people like you Sketchy, Justin, and others, start being purposefully disingenuous. For some reason you take everything at face value and blow logic to the wind. I don't really see why you get off on claims of "salt" and trying to drag people over misinformation. Now, perhaps I'm giving in to the salt and retardation, but it has been going on forever in our community. Please try and stop acting like a toddler, you're fully grown P.S. Any wall of texts from me will be in response to actual arguments, not false and misinformed statements made for the purpose of propaganda. Thanks! P.P.S. Dio, I appreciate everything you do for this community. I miss working with you in an alliance, you were the best. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, hope said: I get Nova, but I don't see why you'd leave out two 20 city nations. Those were the only relevant nations, so I don't see any point as to why you couldn't have attacked us. Also, I was saying that the money grab in Knightfall to join in on a dogpile and hitting TRF was opportunistic. What does that matter? We chose not to include your alliances in the main blitz. Why we did it is irrelevant to your claim that we hired some micro to hit you. But if you must know, we did it because it gave us time wear down the main alliances. Which worked if you couldn't tell. As for Ayyslamic Crusade, that war would not have taken place at all had we not signed up. We asked for resources from Abbas because we were a newly formed alliance and had none. We literally would not have been able to participate otherwise. I was intimately involved in the planning and execution of it. 10 hours ago, hope said: I mean, what due diligence was there to do. Said alliance claimed you wanted them to hit us, we took them at their word. Now before you twist this, we of course considered that it was false. In fact, most of us just assumed it was some weird flex, and instead found it amusing. We moved on after we confirmed with Electric Space that they didn't condone it. Yes exactly, you made no effort to confirm it and took them at their word. That is all well and good, but then you decided to come on here and spout it out as fact. So you opened the door for me to criticise you about it, like you tried to criticise us. 10 hours ago, hope said: Also, what? Are you drunk? "March our 3 nations into battle." I mean we defended ourselves, and we had Blackfyre noobs "entering" after Empyrea attacked our smaller guys. AND WHAT PROTECTOR?? Our alliance page CLEARLY states that we are an EXTENSION of Seven Kingdoms. There is no PROTECTOR. What was that you said about doing due diligence and using a dictionary Now you are just arguing semantics. I was being sarcastic wit hthe 3 nations comment, and no, you attacked first, and Empyrea countered. Literally noone has contested your right to enter the war. You are arguing a strawman I never made. We EXPECTED you to enter the war. The reason we are argung is because you decided to spout some bullshit about hiring a micro as the REASON you entered rather than just saying you did it because your SK. I'm aware you are a training alliance, I was simplifying. It really makes no difference to my argument if you are a protectorate or a training alliance or an extension or w/e you want to call it. 10 hours ago, hope said: See, I like to think that the PnW community is fairly, uh, decent most of the time. But for some reason, come war-time, people like you Sketchy, Justin, and others, start being purposefully disingenuous. For some reason you take everything at face value and blow logic to the wind. I don't really see why you get off on claims of "salt" and trying to drag people over misinformation. Now, perhaps I'm giving in to the salt and retardation, but it has been going on forever in our community. Please try and stop acting like a toddler, you're fully grown P.S. Any wall of texts from me will be in response to actual arguments, not false and misinformed statements made for the purpose of propaganda. Thanks! P.P.S. Dio, I appreciate everything you do for this community. I miss working with you in an alliance, you were the best. You are the one who came on here and starting spouting bullshit you just admitted you never bothered to verify as fact. That is about as disingenuous as it gets. You need to look in the mirror buddy. I've barely posted since this war started, you decided to drop a bomb and now your crying about it because it blew up in your face. You seem to be living in an alternate reality where everyone is out to get you or some shit. We responded directly to your points but your whining about propaganda and misinformed statements. Edited May 28, 2019 by Sketchy fixed the war name lmfao 4 2 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lossi Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, hope said: well you didnt think valinor or nova were important and look what happened lol Yeah, they ran straight into Guardian like a bunch of lemmings meeting the first cliff they saw. 4 6 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I guess that's why people hate whales; they're safe in their god-tier while assets down below are in the grinder and getting wrecked. I'm going to cheer on Nova Riata sending nukers at high-infra Grumpy and Guard for all the wrong reasons. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dio Brando Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) This thread has devolved significantly from what I viewed as an intentionally facetious post by hope meant to provide humor. The follow up was an over-sized reaction, that much I will not contend. I'm not one to educate people on what they can or can not say, because that offends my sensibilities as well as other's, but I think we can all take a step back. As always, conflict is good for the game. War hard, meme harder. Love you all. ❤️ Edited May 28, 2019 by Dio Brando 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayor Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Why does Dio always have to ruin everything.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Mad Titan Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mayor said: Why does Dio always have to ruin everything.... He’s NPO, it’s just what they do. 2 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 1 Edited February 17, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Partisan Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dio Brando said: War hard, meme harder. Love you all. ❤️ 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, hope said: seek some help before posting again Looks like someone can't take their own advice kek. See folks, this is why you can't spell suck without SK. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lossi Posted May 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, ?ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™? said: Looks like someone can't take their own advice kek. See folks, this is why you can't spell suck without SK. Succ 1 3 9 Quote Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Sketchy said: What does that matter? We chose not to include your alliances in the main blitz. Why we did it is irrelevant to your claim that we hired some micro to hit you. But if you must know, we did it because it gave us time wear down the main alliances. Which worked if you couldn't tell. As for Knightfall, that war would not have taken place at all had we not signed up. We asked for resources from Abbas because we were a newly formed alliance and had none. We literally would not have been able to participate otherwise. I was intimately involved in the planning and execution of it. Would you mean AC by chance? Don’t think TGH took part in knightfall did you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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