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  1. Shadowthrone

    How long will this war go on for?

    Lol fam that is such a reach. BK was on the defensive, and from day one was losing lol. There was no agreement, and our entrance was due to our reasons ad not because of needing to "defend" BK from a loss. But gotta keep finding ways of spin no?
  2. Shadowthrone

    How long will this war go on for?

    Lol what? There was never a plot with Covenant and co with the NPO or any agreement of sort. Our entrance was dictated by the TKR information. We've gone round and round with regards to that, but yeah that is why we entered when we did. If there was a secret agreement, we'd have entered on day one, and not waited for what almost 10 days? xD
  3. Shadowthrone

    Peace Terms.

    Seeing how mercy boards as a function have been ported here, I can safely say its one of the worst bully pits I have seen and its disappointing people think its some sort of fun place to shame people to do stuff for mistakes lol. I mean the largest reps in Orbis was paid to Guardian iirc.
  4. Shadowthrone

    How long will this war go on for?

    Nothing like a wonderful buttplug war.
  5. Shadowthrone

    Peace Terms.

    Yes because mercy boards does not involve shaming individuals for making mistakes and isn't one of the more toxic elements brought in from other worlds, practiced by some of the more toxic alliances I've ever seen function.
  6. Shadowthrone

    Peace Terms.

    Given that you're literally in a bloc with alliances that supported mercy boards and public shaming of folks who make mistakes in this game, and also part of coalitions that have attempted some of the most punitive terms in the history of Orbis its funny to hear you call other alliances toxic. Probably best start clearing house in Chaos first
  7. Shadowthrone

    How long will this war go on for?

    Yep. Somehow, its gone from outright winning to winning because upper tier exists. Alas, guess 2017 is the new 2019.
  8. Shadowthrone

    How long will this war go on for?

    Heard this one during ToT, still doesn't apply today. But nice shift in arguments!
  9. Shadowthrone

    BK drops out

    Lol. The kool aid is strong with this one.
  10. Shadowthrone

    Endgame

    I mean Valdo brought up CN and I was responding in that context. But nice flex~
  11. Shadowthrone

    Let the trolling commence.....

    Quoting this next time someone asks for my source. Thanks Buorhann!
  12. Shadowthrone

    SNN: Inquisition Civil Wars

    Haha I mean his track record suggested otherwise (he’s been in the NPO for close to 8-10 years or something I think) but oui I digress. I still want Alex to send me my taxes back! Jokes apart yeah the Featherine hitting VM was AC. Or Eva with the bank? Either way that was Polar and that’s when Alex edited to rules to stop vm bank hiding but not new nation/protected beige hiding
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    SNN: Inquisition Civil Wars

    Oui. People threw a hissy fit even tho the said member continued with us for close to a year before going inactive. Something about trying to cheat when it wasn’t so but that’s where the beige/new player can’t hold a bank thing became a controversy. Hiding it in VM is a different case altogether.
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    SNN: Inquisition Civil Wars

    That would be categorically false. @Buorhann got it close. The first instance was when a senior member of the NPO started a new nation around Silent and we deposited the bank there. Alex chopped of 10% I think (120mil) and returned it after BK funnily enough and TKR reported it i think. There was no specific rule against it and going forward Alex said he would prefer to not have it but never wrote the rules accordingly or w/e.
  15. Shadowthrone

    Endgame

    I'm sorry we didn't acquiesce to being EMC's cannon fodder and take a rolling every two weeks for your "fun". If making it bloody hard to roll us means we brought in a CN play style, guilty as charged. But we're not interested in short wars, or having folks get out easy when they hit us and thats a valid tactic and really has nothing to do with CN lol. But yes, NPO is evil because of CN, got it!
  16. Shadowthrone

    We are here for the Whales

    It'd be if any of the three other minispheres outside of N$O consolidate in whichever configurations, yes. That was the prevailing idea that Kayser/Roq/NPO discussed. I mean it seemed exciting enough at the time~
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    We are here for the Whales

    Do tell me where I have lied till date? Curious! Again there never existed an agreement with BK. In the chats with Kayser, various scenarios were discussed and fundamentally the idea was for N$O to be able to join any side it pleases as long as it was stopping a combination of two sides from consolidating. These discussions were undertaken in a channel with the entire tS triumvirate present and literally Sisyphus posted right after with regards to public postings of our doctrines/rules is a silly idea. Now I give into the idea that Sisyphus/Leo/Utmos may have been misled by Kayser, but that is not on us, as much as on your government communication issues as we've pointed out to Sisyphus in private. Yes and no. I did bring it up with Sisyphus and he understood where/when the conversation happened and where I came from with the conversations. It was in the middle of our discussions for our reasons for expanding and why we believed in the TKR CB. But nice try. I imagined it was known across the government, so colour me surprised when it wasn't and I spoke to Sisyphus to clear it up. Can't be a side agreement when it was literally in the server we used to plan our discussions in which you're a member lol. So the logs there for your perusal, the search button helps. It was why we signed up based off Kayser's promises. If that was not shared before HS signed on, that's his communication error as was pointed out to me earlier yesterday. Nevertheless it is what it is~
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    Endgame

    That's a categorical lie. Unless Kayser is the leader of BK?
  19. Shadowthrone

    We are here for the Whales

    I mean for burning the said player is not my call. But I do have the unblackened out logs and did share it with people necessary. What Mr X.'s logs point out is that at the moment you did not have the numbers. What Adrienne's statements later on in private DMs folks said she's waiting to turn back and whack us once BK's front is locked down. Put those two together and you can see why we did not wish to wait for things to play out. If the leader of TKR does want to roll us for being complicit in actions that we had no part off, and could pull of a hit, we'd be sitting ducks. That was our prevailing mindset and we did indeed hit TKR because of that. I mean I do not carry out wars because I believe "TKR is out to get us" as the sole reason. If there is proof, we'll make the call and given the situation it was a hard judgement call and we did it. I mean I pretty much have been stating what the logs were, and that you've deleted your DMs since I was told of the same. It really is nothing else to "clarify" lol. The folks sharing the information are people who's word I'd pick over most others in this game and it is what it is. I'm fairly certain that the conversations did happen and given the fact you went back to delete stuff in the conversations, I'm more certain of it lol. I mean I would not stake my alliance's entry into this war based of someones word unless I do believe in the truthfulness of whom was sharing the nature of the conversation with me.
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    We are here for the Whales

    I mean w/e. If folks keep bringing up that post, its an impression that they are looking for a slug fest. I'm not interested in responding for their humour. I do selectively respond to posts, only those that make concise/logical arguments and undertake the exercise to have a conversation based off that. If someone's post is a "gotcha" or some kind of imitation of argument, I generally do not respond, not worth my time. I mean there are a variety of causes that folks tend to coalesce around alliances. Kinda hard to be independent when you're constantly threatened/trolled on and then a "fun" war suddenly turns up at your doorstep and everyone's got to accept that status quo. Moreover, communities who may not be the most competent militarily but do wish to remain as one for whatever purpose requires an umbrella of security. If folks coalesce around those who are willing to give them a chance, offer security and protect them from being hit for "fun", I imagine they would return the favour when the situation arises. The reason folks like Citadel stay on with BK as stated by EM is that they offer them unconditional support and security and if independent, folks would try to bully them out of existence. Seeing the general rhetoric of being bullies, threatening alliances with rollings if they don't cancel treaties and/or force alliances to do things on others terms, I'd point in that direction for the existence of tC/BK/Citadel as a large bloc. I mean the culture of might makes right/bullying/forcing folks to dance for someone else's enjoyment seems to be a prevailing trend in this game, and folks who do not wish to play by those standards will do what is necessary to ensure they do not have to. So I'd suggest taking a good hard look at those cultural aspects of the state of foreign policy before passing value judgement statements on alliances and their relationships with one another. That is you twisting their words lmao. I just called out folks thinking Frawley's comments are some sort of proof that IQ exists. His comments as dealt with him earlier in various threads points to the fact if folks are going to label us as such, might as well do it since damned if you do, damned if you don't. That has been the prevailing public opinion so w/e. If Roq wanted IQ to remain, he would not have pulled us out of it for N$O. Moreover, I have no plans for stopping something that is not happening at the moment. Even if I did, those are questions I really do not need to answer for a future "gotcha" post later on.
  21. Shadowthrone

    We are here for the Whales

    Ha, not attack us now. Given that Adrienne went on to state that its temporary and she's hoping to lock BK down and come around to hit us, we acted. Now, again you need not have to buy that given that I do not have the screenshots of her in those conversations, and that sucks, but it is what it is. If anyone's lied here regarding things, I'd point that way and if the IQ logs/discussions that appear later on, the tCW's involvement originally to me seems far more duplicitous. Also to whomever was quoting Frawley's logs earlier as proof, its hilarious. IQ's dead and I would like to keep it that way. Alas' lets see how things proceed from here.
  22. Shadowthrone

    We are here for the Whales

    That would be what the Friday before last I think, can ask Dio to give you an exact date. In essence, that made us perk up, and combined with the information on Adrienne + her deletion of logs and post that with whats going on, we were put into a position of whether the attack is down the road. Its why we did what we did. Moreover the rest of the logs was the whole picture that Dio wished to share. It did show that Adrienne has lied to us, and that given the plans that were shared later on with TKR/CoS having tCW go about trying to peel away allies and create a ghost minisphere up until IQ broke, or hope that those pick ups would be useful to their side till that relationship went to shit, was curious to read about. What interests me though is TKR's more recent actions, and statements made by her. Again, there is no log to dump here and as I've stated in other threads that is my biggest regret, not getting those screenshotted before deleted, but given the individuals who did share the basics of the conversation, and my faith/trust in their words, it was enough to do what we did. Mind you, I was the one that shared the information with Roq and post which we spent a few days discussing our course of action, including with the sphere at large. May not have been the easiest of discussions, but it was a time bound/pressure situation and we work with what we have. It's easy to go around shitting on players/leaders and calling them liars, but most of you who have been in spheres and the centre of politics know how these things go, we do the best with what we have and work with it for our alliance/community/game at large. Again, given our experience and knowledge of strategy, if we did indeed want to defend BK as is stated here, we'd have done a bunch of things differently and aided them entirely with our best foot forward. That is not the case here. I'm less interested in y'all going around having a grudge match unless that match is brought to my doorstep, or will eventually be coming to our end of the treaty web. In that case we would act as we need to. You all are forgetting that we always had an in into this war and could have optionally gone in with Polaris if we really wanted that route, rather than tacitly agree to tS' war with GoB/Guardian. Again, our intentions was not to scheme/hit TKR for the sole purpose of defending BK, but it was a confluence of things that arose that made us act. You may disagree with that, and its fine. But what is disappointing is the general level of debate here, outside the few folks who take it seriously enough to discuss the variety of issues. I mean we're all on the opposite sides of this for now, but thats always subject to change, as is most foreign policy in the game, so the levels of personal/ooc dislike is funny given that we may end up working together in the future lol. It's a war, it'll end however and we'll move on to the next one 🤷‍♀️. Lest everyone's decided this how its going to be for the rest of Orbis' time and that's fine lol, we'll play with those circumstances and continue doing what we have to do as a community to survive here. Thanks, we aim to please There were a lot of things in flux in the last couple of weeks. I mean we've tried to do the best we can to folks involved with N$O and done what we could given the choices we had foreseen at the given moment. I mean that's pretty much your side's argument till date. The sudden turn around is funny into calling them three individual blocs. But I mean the way I look at it is that given their ties, they are one larger sphere and may operate as different parts (I'm not really in touch with BK's allies in a few months, so no idea how things work between Citadel/BK), I do know that given their treaty ties, you folks decided they are one large sphere. So trying to turn that around is kinda hilarious. If I need to respond to tS, I'll do it in private with Flame/Sisyphus or anyone involved. I'm not interested in a public sling fest for your humour
  23. Shadowthrone

    We are here for the Whales

    Why would it have to be made public? Nevertheless, that was the working agreement Kayser/Roq and ourselvees agreed to. The former did wish to post it publicly, but alas we never did. There was a specific vision with which tS/NPO/HS got together, and that vision involved in trying to make the minisphere attempt work (even if I'm still skeptical of the whole idea from experience), but thats the deal, and thats why we signed what we did. Firstly, no that wouldn't be three spheres. But yes, if BK/KETOG did indeed combine for a hit and Kayser was still around, quite certain we'd be having discussions to aid Chaos lol. That was the vision document, but the idea was we'd work with whomever, whenever to try keeping the game away from bi-polarity for as long as possible. Yeah well we have to go with the information we have, and when we trust the individual enough, we will act upon it. Moreover, we did also post the logs of Chaos gov discussing plans on hitting N$O which confirmed our suspicions at the time. If we did indeed want to join into this war to aid BK, I daresay we'd have done a myriad of things differently. Our intent was not that as much as when the information was received, we decided on rectifying the situation. Your combination is one thing, but the logs/information add a different dimension to the situation. Our entrance is based off that. Nice of you suddenly to consider BKsphere as three separate spheres though, thats a first here! Yes and? Mostly defending ourselves, but I mean hitting based off plots is a valid CB when you do it, and not when anyone else does it, got it. Woo boy, yes, spending billions on growth for every member is definitely a bad idea! Great, try again.
  24. Shadowthrone

    Endgame

    Which is? I mean there have been conversations from a variety of people, asking us if we're interested in collaborating and we've politely refused in all cases. Its pretty much that simple lol. I mean there has been a variety of approaches to both tS/NPO in the last few months, and in both cases I can confidently state the approaches were refused, and informed each other in the most cases that said approaches were made. So yeah we had 0 involvement in tC's planning or this idea of a combined war.
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