Andrezj Kolarov Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 This is why neutral alliances are boring. Don't they understand, without wars, the economy goes into the shitter! More like bad game design. Why is steel/alum used to build military units but not infra? Why don't cities drain gas (no one uses cars in Orbis?). Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8mrgrim8 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 More like bad game design. Why is steel/alum used to build military units but not infra? Why don't cities drain gas (no one uses cars in Orbis?). I would understand using alum/steel in building infra and city but governments don't pay for your gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LordRahl2 Posted June 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2016 More like bad game design. Why is steel/alum used to build military units but not infra? Why don't cities drain gas (no one uses cars in Orbis?). Or good game design. The purpose of a game is not to replicate or duplicate the real world. It is to be a game. 9 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrezj Kolarov Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Or good game design. The purpose of a game is not to replicate or duplicate the real world. It is to be a game. Not about realism it's about making sure all resources have their uses. Steel/alum/gas are basically only used in large amounts in wartime (yes they're used in improvements and projects but it's negligible), but war is unpredictable and not constant, they'll be periods of months with no war where resources pile up further reducing prices. Eventually there's going to be so many nations in PW producing so many resources that resources themselves are going to become irrelevant through oversupply (happens in every strategy game over the long-term, in a persistent game this only gets worse) and money will become the only real resource. The only way to stop this is to create ways to drain manufactured resources outside war, ie resource sinks. Edited June 18, 2016 by Andrezj Kolarov Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Vulp Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The only way to stop this is to create ways to drain manufactured resources outside war. Then we need tradable Porn and nudes in PW. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Then we need tradable Porn and nudes in PW. >Implying that doesn't already happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Not about realism it's about making sure all resources have their uses. Steel/alum/gas are basically only used in large amounts in wartime (yes they're used in improvements and projects but it's negligible), but war is unpredictable and not constant, they'll be periods of months with no war where resources pile up further reducing prices. Eventually there's going to be so many nations in PW producing so many resources that resources themselves are going to become irrelevant through oversupply (happens in every strategy game over the long-term, in a persistent game this only gets worse) and money will become the only real resource. The only way to stop this is to create ways to drain manufactured resources outside war, ie resource sinks. Not about realism it's about making sure all resources have their uses. Steel/alum/gas are basically only used in large amounts in wartime (yes they're used in improvements and projects but it's negligible), but war is unpredictable and not constant, they'll be periods of months with no war where resources pile up further reducing prices. Eventually there's going to be so many nations in PW producing so many resources that resources themselves are going to become irrelevant through oversupply (happens in every strategy game over the long-term, in a persistent game this only gets worse) and money will become the only real resource. The only way to stop this is to create ways to drain manufactured resources outside war, ie resource sinks. All resources have their uses. So the name of the game implies that the game creator sees war as being important to the platform. So make the resources more scarce and fight more. And gluts and famines are perfectly fine tbh. Its just part of the game. Long term, meh, maybe a bit but its far less of a problem than in other games because as production goes up consumption in war goes up. This is due to, frankly, decent game design. The only way to really break the balance is to fiddle significantly with something like Nukes or Missiles (yes pre that is bait for you right there). 2 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Dio is pleased by this sacrifice 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Phwoar those are some good stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Pity that the number of targets has dropped, mostly due to their scores dropping out of our range. Otherwise the punishment would continue. Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanderlion Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Pity that the number of targets has dropped, mostly due to their scores dropping out of our range. Otherwise the punishment would continue. That was the plan since day 1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Oh yeah, we're not doing too shabby this time around. 1 Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That was the plan since day 1 though. I'm sure it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Stats? On a Sunday? First the pretty graph Now as you can see a clear tendency is emerging. The BK side is barely taking any damage, while the UPN side is quickly approaching non-existence. At the current rate they will cease to exist in less than 2 weeks! "But wait! I just checked the total for the UPN side on the graph from yesterday and it looks like it's about the same as today. Are you cooking the numbers Zoot?" No dammit! I already explained it! When new alliances join I add them to the stats for the previous days to avoid weird jumps in the graphs and the UPN side have had Fark join them since last...oh and I kinda forgot to include Alpha, gg me Now what else? Well unfortunately there is nothing interesting in the stats. Well except for Fark losing more than 25% of their score in a day...but besides that it's just mostly more of the same. The BK side lost around 9k score and the UPN side lost more than 5 times as much. So yeah, same old same old. Well I did notice one thing. Don't know if I've mentioned it previously. From the beginning of the current conflict only 3 alliances on the BK side have lost more than 20% of their score. On the UPN side only 1 alliance has lost less than 20% of their score (well two if you count Alpha, but they lost a lot more than 20% of their score before this current conflict started, so they don't count). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foltest Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 zoot is love, zoot is life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosodog Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I mean, at least my score is still pretty much the same Your nation isn't winning the overall war though. Maybe joining a better alliance? Sparta's efforts if anything has helped us. Most of the time with Sparta's nations one airstrike does as much monetary damage to infra as one nuke on us and then we get to go into beige. Johnny boy, come to the competent side. You're good, but you're surrounding yourself with crap people. Not saying join BK, but it's a shame you wasting your efforts in Sparta. I care about my doge brother and I want to see you reach your full potential. 2 Quote [22:37:51] <&Yosodog> Problem is, everyone is too busy deciding which top gun character they are that no decision has been made BK in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Fark lost 25% of their score in a day? Damn we handled that pretty well I'd say Edited June 19, 2016 by Lordship Quote Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Fark lost 25% of their score in a day? Damn we handled that pretty well I'd say I believe Fark lost 33ish% of their raw military score in a day which is more prescient for the first days an alliance is at war. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeSolo Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 i'd be curious to see everyone's total infra damage dealt, nukes lauched, and value of infra lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Here you go Solo: Infra damage for the alliances on BK's side. Infra damage per day for BK's side. Stats are up to date as of about June 18, 5:30pm game-time. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 i'd be curious to see everyone's total infra damage dealt, nukes lauched, and value of infra lost. Let's also add in economic potential loss too. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeSolo Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Here you go Solo: you didn't include all the damage b/c tS has lost over $8b in infra now. nor did you include all the alliances involved. Edited June 19, 2016 by HopeSolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Let's also add in economic potential loss too. Lets see. A nation at peace with 2k infra and 15 cities makes what? Low end of 2.5m a day from commerce alone? (ignoring resources and manufacturing which you shouldnt but whatever). So 75m a month per nation? Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 you didn't include all the damage b/c tS has lost over $8b in infra now. nor did you include all the alliances involved. Are you speaking of the other war between Alpha and t$? Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeSolo Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Are you speaking of the other war between Alpha and t$? i'm speaking of the infra damage done that date back to late april when tS attacked Alpha to start global tensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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