Popular Post Kaladin Stormblessed Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Much like today’s desolate landscape of media garbage, there needs to be a serious injection of genuine, unbiased truth around here. Sketchy wants to refer to an old post about How to Be Dynamic. That’s fine, spread the propaganda, it’s half the game after all. But let’s take a look back at what TCL said about our new FA direction one short month ago. I’ve taken some key points that everyone needs to consider, and outlined them below. I’ll be (relatively) brief. 1. We hold a certain responsibility to lead by example: Obviously you all feel that way as well. Pick a better target, they said. Make it worthwhile, they said. How many people on the OWF decried our target within the first few hours? Pages of dissent racked up in less time it takes for Durmij to cream jeans with his shower pics. 2. We've been speaking with alliances all around to drum up support: This is what I find most mindboggling. I can’t fathom how people are failing so hard at comprehending this. Everyone thinks there's some grand conspiracy. But in reality, we’re looking for new alliances wanting to spice up the game, which is exactly what we said we were going to do. And now people are surprised we're talking to so many people from all around Orbis? 3. We’re doing this both for our alliance and the community at large: This is pretty self-explanatory and related to point #1. The narrative, on our end, has always been that we are taking steps to make this game better for everyone. And as a reminder, that requires, in some way shape or form, to talk to people from every corner of Orbis. Scandalous! 4. We admit that we are not alone in the actions that led us to this current political climate: Hey, guess what? We helped add to the stagnation. IQ exists to displace what they viewed as the hegemony in the game, the damned EMC. EMC disbands, TKR cuts treaties. IQ becomes the hegemony. Somewhere, I once saw someone say IQ lived long enough to see itself become the villain instead of dying and being the hero. Which is a good segue into the next point… 5. It isn't necessary to consolidate power [and we hope] alliances are less constrained by the tangled web we've woven for ourselves: We cut ties with some long-time friends because we are serious about this direction. We had our share of paper, too. And along with the EMC dissolution, we sought to distance ourselves from that sort of MO in hopes of fostering this new dynamic we’ve been talking about. However, IQ continued to sign paper after paper after paper. Everyone has commented on how dynamic that was. Meanwhile, TKR is still talking to…gasp… everyone in Orbis to try and get this show on the road. 6. We are willing to defend this ideal as far as is needed and hope to forge relationships with others who share this ideal, but we know we cannot do this alone: Now, more than ever, TKR is being lambasted for our direction, or more specifically, our actions regarding our direction. I feel pretty strongly that there have just been far, far too many miscommunications and misunderstandings about it all. I’ve been told by respectable leaders that we should reconsider this silly idea and reevaluate our options. While I empathize with their position, and appreciate their input, we don’t feel that is necessary. However, a thorough explanation and reiteration of our plans is (apparently) needed. And obviously, we can’t achieve this goal on our own. Which brings me back to my own points (my condolences). There are two false narratives out there right now. One being that the EMC split was total BS, and the other is that we are looking to join IQ. First of all, that’s just a false dichotomy, plain and simple. It’s not an either or situation here. And as TCL mentioned, trust building will take time. But how else do you build trust other than by talking? We said that we wouldn’t stand by hegemonic activity as part of this new direction, so why on earth would we want to join IQ? We seek to end that hegemonic activity and free up a lot of potential within the community at large, i.e., we accomplish our mission. TKR has taken steps to improve this game and end the stagnation. EMC split to end the hegemony. What have you done to improve the dynamic we all joke about? Essentially, IQs goals were completed, yet they now seem content to keep signing paper left and right and consolidate their own power. If you don’t like hegemonic activity, join the movement we discussed a month ago. It was a fairly well received idea then. Yet none of you acted on it. But all of you complain about us trying to implement it? Yes, EMC is gone, and no we aren't trying to join IQ. We welcome alliances from all corners of Orbis to join us in this movement, not just from the IQ corner. They are just one part of the community, as well as one part of the conversation. We welcome them as we welcome everyone else who wants to dispose of The Stagnosphere. Just because we talk to them doesn’t mean we want to be them. We want to free them. We want to free Orbis. We helped create the problem, and now we want to fix it, plain and simple. There’s nothing nefarious going on here, folks. Maybe there have been PR mistakes/misunderstandings, but all of this ^^ is truth. So, please, take that truth and do something constructive with it, and let’s get back on track to a better more Dynamic™ Orbis shall we? Edited February 20, 2018 by Kaladin Stormblessed 24 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Sketchy Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Kaladin Stormblessed said: Sketchy wants to refer to an old post about How to Be Dynamic. That’s fine, spread the propaganda, it’s half the game after all. There are two false narratives out there right now. One being that the EMC split was total BS, and the other is that we are looking to join IQ. Nowhere in my post did I claim TKR was trying to join IQ. Trying to pretend I have a narrative to push is rather ignorant considering how vocally outspoken I am towards the very same things. My criticism is fairly simple. You are making moves that are inherently in contrast to your claimed goals, either on purpose or via a misguided error. You can use any combination of word salad you like to justify it but attempting to sign the second largest alliance in the game in the pursuit of forming "mini-spheres" is preposterous. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughnuts Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kaladin Stormblessed said: 4. We admit that we are not alone in the actions that led us to this current political climate: Hey, guess what? We helped add to the stagnation. IQ exists to displace what they viewed as the hegemony in the game, the damned EMC. EMC disbands, TKR cuts treaties. IQ becomes the hegemony. Somewhere, I once saw someone say IQ lived long enough to see itself become the villain instead of dying and being the hero. Which is a good segue into the next point… This point made me giggle a little, even if EMC was alive and kicking NPO would have still taken you out and your allies, they would have started with the weakest, and worked there way up, within a year you would find they had most of the support therefore when they (They being someone NPO ordered to hit your small allies) hit small alliances you would not support them so not to risk a greater war, seen this happen so many times with NPO in other worlds. You think what you did was noble however I think what you did was cowardly you gave up the fight before it had started, you gave up EMC as it was view as the Hegemony, NPO would have laughed as anyone view them as the Hegemony they would take great pride in that and the work out a plan to strike down anyone they saw as a risk. Right now you have three options. 1) join IQ this would be your short term safety net, as in other worlds NPO will turn on you the second they see you as a risk, like they will with the allies they already got. 2) Make your own power block, this would be the most fun for Obirs as having to powerful conflicting sides means no one side has total power. 3) Stay as you are and slowly be picked apart, first it will be random attacks by small alliances simply to weaken you ofc this will be funded by IQ, then NPO will start a public battle and before long you will find it will be all IQ vs TKR and your reps will be so damn high it will keep you down for atleast two years giving NPO the time they need to be the single super power. I say good luck, one thing that is 100% within all worlds like this NPO will do whatever it can to win, you will be taken out soon or later if you do nothing, so good luck love or hate NPO you have to respect the fact they stick together and push no matter what. you might all say im crazy but in two to three years i bet anyone this will be the case unless TKR picks option 2. Or someone with enough respect and the balls to stand up to NPO. Edited February 20, 2018 by MoonShadow 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) I can't take any of this seriously whatsoever until an actual answer is given to the questions I posed to both you and TCL in private. Edited February 20, 2018 by Partisan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladin Stormblessed Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Sketchy said: Nowhere in my post did I claim TKR was trying to join IQ. Trying to pretend I have a narrative to push is rather ignorant considering how vocally outspoken I am towards the very same things. My criticism is fairly simple. You are making moves that are inherently in contrast to your claimed goals, either on purpose or via a misguided error. You can use any combination of word salad you like to justify it but attempting to sign the second largest alliance in the game in the pursuit of forming "mini-spheres" is preposterous. I wasn't saying that you were the one putting that narrative out there. Your concerns are similar to Partisan. 1 hour ago, Partisan said: I can't take any of this seriously whatsoever until an actual answer is given to the questions I posed to both you and TCL in private. And both of your concerns have been sent up the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Kaladin Stormblessed said: 1. We hold a certain responsibility to lead by example: Obviously you all feel that way as well. Pick a better target, they said. Make it worthwhile, they said. How many people on the OWF decried our target within the first few hours? Pages of dissent racked up in less time it takes for Durmij to cream jeans with his shower pics. 3. We’re doing this both for our alliance and the community at large: This is pretty self-explanatory and related to point #1. The narrative, on our end, has always been that we are taking steps to make this game better for everyone. And as a reminder, that requires, in some way shape or form, to talk to people from every corner of Orbis. Scandalous! So what you're saying is, Arrgh are what's wrong with the current climate in Orbis? Please. You're just as bad as the other wacko's on here. Ganging up on a paperless alliance that has no impact on the political landscape of the Top 15 is nothing short of cowardly and in TKR's case, hypocritical. You say you hold a certain responsibility to lead by example yet through this have shown you're nothing more than a shadow of what TKR once was. You can all spout your bulls* claims about false narratives, smokescreens yada yada. But at the end of the day the only thing separating TKR and the rest of the Top 15 is your names & flags. And don't give us the 'We're doing this for you' speech. It's clearly for TKR's benefit and no-one else's. Making the game better for everyone doesn't include dog-piling a paperless alliance that isn't stagnating the game, it doesn't include working with what were your enemies a day ago, it doesn't include spreading false bulls* whenever you fu*k up. There's probably a paragraph i could write about why you were not voted most honourable this year but that's probably covered. tl;dr? Congrats Lordship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sans Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Good posts Kal. Clearing up some specifics. You kept your paperless ties/protected them from a possible nuke bloc hit. Yet in the same breath, you're out claiming you want to encourage mini-sphere wars and small scale conflict? We were willing to protect those alliances from a nuke bloc hit because upper tier fighting each other without an IQ split will only give them more leverage not to split "why leave when our enemies are fighting each other, we can just grow". EMC has already split and the divisions are real. Anyone looking from the outside in should be able to tell that by now. What will not help is if during negotiations one side gets everything thing they want without concessions. So, we were willing to step in. The end goal is of course smaller scale wars and smaller spheres, but we obviously consider the smaller spheres part to be the gatehouse to smaller wars. The split of the mega-spheres has been a long term goal of ours for a while now, this is known. Nuke bloc kicking down the barn door before we can even get the mid tier consolidation addressed is premature. Which is why we were willing to discourage it. You speak of mini spheres, yet in the same breath are trying to talk to/ally various top 5 alliances? We're not attempting to sign a mini-hegemony (tm) we're attempting to create an environment where IQ can be split and it so happens a number of relevant IQ alliances are top 10. Its well known we have talked to these alliances in an effort to get them to split. At the moment IQ as a sphere will control everything below 17 cities if they exist as is. In order to bring some sort of significant competition to those tiers, splitting up relevant IQ alliances is a must. And talking to these alliances isn't cozying up to them or at least not the connotation of it. We're not talking to these alliances at the expense of our former allies. It is in pursuit of getting them to believe the changes we have made and feeling comfortable enough to take part in it. Not even necessarily with us. If they want to strike out and form their own thing, that is just as well. It just so happens that the most other alliance on the web are so hypersensitive to the idea of working with an IQ alliance (gross, I know), that it seems no one else has even approached them in order to help facilitate this. So we suffer the rain of criticism while certain keyboard warriors sit on their hands (and type with their epeen). If we wanted to keep or aim for hegemony, we would have stayed with EMC. Double down on the sphere by consolidating, encourage growth by funding all of the smaller alliances in the sphere and building enough of a lower tier threat to overwhelm IQ in all tiers. But a hegemony isn't what we wanted then and its not now despite what some prominent posters would have you believe. We did not cut those ties for nothing anyone who knew the state of our relationship with those alliances we parted from should know this and it certainly would not have been done just so we can form another hegemony with folks we haven't been chilling with since our inception. Keep recycling your narrative though cause I'm sure there is not a better use of your efforts. You speak of small scale conflict yet in the same breath actively discourage elements like JEst, Arrgh etc. from engaging in such warfare? Small scale conflict is eventually the goal but wars such as JEst's and Arrgh's actively discourage the actual viability of a world post IQ mid tier supremacy by continuously antagonizing them and creating a game environment that encourages them to continue to stay together. This is of course, against our vision and preferred outcome so of course we would disagree with those actions and take steps against them. In JEst's example, we cut our protectorate that ghosted them. For Arrgh well, Arrgh was just a chance for us to show that we were willing to work with IQ alliances in pursuit of a goal (In order to give credence to our stated direction, not as pre-application ( see you typing there)). No, we don't think Arrgh is the evil of all evils, and neither is JEst but you guys are going about this the wrong way. Aggressive action will always be met with a defensive response and persecuting those IQ alliances will only make it more likely that they stay together. So, if your goal really is to have more fun in a world with multiple poles so you can swim in all of the intrigue, stop fricking it up for those of us actually working towards that goal. 9 3 Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Arrow said: So what you're saying is, Arrgh are what's wrong with the current climate in Orbis? Please. You're just as bad as the other wacko's on here. Ganging up on a paperless alliance that has no impact on the political landscape of the Top 15 is nothing short of cowardly and in TKR's case, hypocritical. You say you hold a certain responsibility to lead by example yet through this have shown you're nothing more than a shadow of what TKR once was. You can all spout your bulls* claims about false narratives, smokescreens yada yada. But at the end of the day the only thing separating TKR and the rest of the Top 15 is your names & flags. And don't give us the 'We're doing this for you' speech. It's clearly for TKR's benefit and no-one else's. Making the game better for everyone doesn't include dog-piling a paperless alliance that isn't stagnating the game, it doesn't include working with what were your enemies a day ago, it doesn't include spreading false bulls* whenever you fu*k up. There's probably a paragraph i could write about why you were not voted most honourable this year but that's probably covered. tl;dr? Congrats Lordship That congrats Lordship is the icing on the cake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladin Stormblessed Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, Arrow said: So what you're saying is, Arrgh are what's wrong with the current climate in Orbis? Please. You're just as bad as the other wacko's on here. Ganging up on a paperless alliance that has no impact on the political landscape of the Top 15 is nothing short of cowardly and in TKR's case, hypocritical. You say you hold a certain responsibility to lead by example yet through this have shown you're nothing more than a shadow of what TKR once was. You can all spout your bulls* claims about false narratives, smokescreens yada yada. But at the end of the day the only thing separating TKR and the rest of the Top 15 is your names & flags. And don't give us the 'We're doing this for you' speech. It's clearly for TKR's benefit and no-one else's. Making the game better for everyone doesn't include dog-piling a paperless alliance that isn't stagnating the game, it doesn't include working with what were your enemies a day ago, it doesn't include spreading false bulls* whenever you fu*k up. There's probably a paragraph i could write about why you were not voted most honourable this year but that's probably covered. tl;dr? Congrats Lordship Loool how cute. Let's not pretend that this Arrgh business is the pinnacle of the plans coming together. But it's very sweet that you think it is. Arrgh hits us all the time, just like everyone else. That's to be expected. They're pirates. (stay with me) Our new direction means that we want to work with new alliances. And our members want to hit Arrgh all the time. An opportunity to work with new faces comes along. And they want to hit pirates. Cool. So, we get a chance to give membership what they want, and a tiny step in the right direction in working with new people (showing that we're willing to work with you). I don't see anything confusing there. Cheers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post durmij Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Jesus fricking Christ on a pogo stick, you idiots are trying to suck up to Roq so hard you're starting to write like him. Except he's starting to embrace the power of memes so you're a year out of date, as per usual for your FA. 7 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan (Uzume) Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, durmij said: on a pogo stick Made me choke on my chocolate cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Abbas Mehdi Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Kayser said: Good posts Kal. Clearing up some specifics. You kept your paperless ties/protected them from a possible nuke bloc hit. Yet in the same breath, you're out claiming you want to encourage mini-sphere wars and small scale conflict? We were willing to protect those alliances from a nuke bloc hit because upper tier fighting each other without an IQ split will only give them more leverage not to split "why leave when our enemies are fighting each other, we can just grow". EMC has already split and the divisions are real. Anyone looking from the outside in should be able to tell that by now. What will not help is if during negotiations one side gets everything thing they want without concessions. So, we were willing to step in. The end goal is of course smaller scale wars and smaller spheres, but we obviously consider the smaller spheres part to be the gatehouse to smaller wars. The split of the mega-spheres has been a long term goal of ours for a while now, this is known. Nuke bloc kicking down the barn door before we can even get the mid tier consolidation addressed is premature. Which is why we were willing to discourage it. People who know me know the fact that I hardly ever post on these forums and just casually go around liking posts or on occasions posting a meme here and there but I do feel I should make a reply to what you have to say here. Thank you for your honest responses and while I do not wish to doubt your intentions I am just awed at how much it lacks foresight. Let's start with you claiming to protect upper tiers from fighting each other without an IQ split. Mate that is the entire argument you made against IQ for their mid tier consolidation, why can't people call you out on it when you make the same rhetoric they made. You want to woo NPO with some spectacle while they are parading around believing their own fake sphere split narrative, I don't mind you doing that but then coming up with paperless agreements at the same time you go around telling people to leave their own consolidation has a pinch of hypocrisy. I am not saying your intent is malicious, it could very much be sincere but you are wearing these horse blinders that is even blocking you from seeing inconsistencies in your own narrative. I specially liked the part where you claimed that you are against Nuke bloc kicking down the barn door before addressing mid tier consolidation and calling it premature. Did you also consider it premature when you discussed with tcw and kt your plans on addressing upper tier consolidation after you make "relevant member from IQ" leave. Again goes back to my statement about horse blinders. Just take a lesson from people like Partisan who have been leaked on sharing conflicting narratives to people in private and you are the second in command of the biggest alliance in this game, if you tell one person one thing, a third person is 100 percent guaranteed to know what you are also telling the second person. Stick to a narrative and be consistent with it for yourself and for your allies. 2 hours ago, Kayser said: You speak of mini spheres, yet in the same breath are trying to talk to/ally various top 5 alliances? We're not attempting to sign a mini-hegemony (tm) we're attempting to create an environment where IQ can be split and it so happens a number of relevant IQ alliances are top 10. Its well known we have talked to these alliances in an effort to get them to split. At the moment IQ as a sphere will control everything below 17 cities if they exist as is. In order to bring some sort of significant competition to those tiers, splitting up relevant IQ alliances is a must. And talking to these alliances isn't cozying up to them or at least not the connotation of it. We're not talking to these alliances at the expense of our former allies. It is in pursuit of getting them to believe the changes we have made and feeling comfortable enough to take part in it. Not even necessarily with us. If they want to strike out and form their own thing, that is just as well. It just so happens that the most other alliance on the web are so hypersensitive to the idea of working with an IQ alliance (gross, I know), that it seems no one else has even approached them in order to help facilitate this. So we suffer the rain of criticism while certain keyboard warriors sit on their hands (and type with their epeen). If we wanted to keep or aim for hegemony, we would have stayed with EMC. Double down on the sphere by consolidating, encourage growth by funding all of the smaller alliances in the sphere and building enough of a lower tier threat to overwhelm IQ in all tiers. But a hegemony isn't what we wanted then and its not now despite what some prominent posters would have you believe. We did not cut those ties for nothing anyone who knew the state of our relationship with those alliances we parted from should know this and it certainly would not have been done just so we can form another hegemony with folks we haven't been chilling with since our inception. Keep recycling your narrative though cause I'm sure there is not a better use of your efforts. So lets assume with some God given miracle an alliance like NPO that has for several months now told you they have drawn a red line and they won't leave IQ under any circumstances. You will have a Sphere that contains your core allies Pantheon, The Commonwealth, NPO, your peripheral ties contain Knights Templar and their allies who you were talking to about addressing upper tier consolidation post NPO joining and then there are some paperless agreements you have with tS and CoS. You are telling me mate that is a minisphere? Are you gonna do a split with them as well and we will start calling this game agar.io. Every time you make alliances leave their spheres you will make your sphere smaller or just call it a win for dynamism? I still can not even believe you guys are still thinking Roquentin is gonna do anything on any level without IQ being part of the equation. After leaving your former allies in particular allies of the bloc Bad Company and Nuke bloc, the circumstances of which are already so questionable thanks to the damage control you did that you even went back to Bad Company for a treaty only recently and expected some to just say yeah sure let bygones be bygones and we can all move in together again. Mate like who do you think you are outsmarting here or if you aren't then why do you not see anything from the perspective of the people you cut off. And after cutting them off your biggest move to work for dynamism is to jump in when Polaris comes to you for a chance to hit arrgh. Forgive me if I feel disappointed but I at least expected you to hit a major alliance with enough defensive slots to be considered a blitz if you truly wanted to build bridges. I am just impressed by the fact that you think rolling 12 people in arrgh can build bridges with IQ peripheral alliances, I really lack that type of optimism. Mate they are laughing their ass off in the back channels at the capital you burnt to roll people that are so irrelevant to the political game. This last paragraph really made me laugh. I don't think you want to aim for hegemony but you definitely want to prove something and you keep doing these questionable things that make me think Roq doesn't even have to do any work anymore considering whenever he makes a disappointed face you are ready to say you are wrong and I will prove to you how wrong you are. Any actions you did after the split is what many consider sunk-cost fallacy. On your quest to prove Roq wrong about your intentions, you split from EMC, burnt bridges with your former allies, even when he is saying there is a red line that he will not leave IQ you are still telling us you will get "relevant IQ alliance" to join you. Its reached a point where you don't want to or can't pull out anymore that you are doubling down on it. Its the classic sunk-cost fallacy. I am willing to say even the attack on arrgh to build bridges is part of the political equation in your head in regards to the sunk-cost fallacy. Maybe Polaris has shown they no longer want to be tied to IQ alliances but seriously that still doesn't achieve the goal of you setting out to convince "relevant IQ alliance" to join your minisphere or even make their own sphere for that matter. 2 hours ago, Kayser said: Double down on the sphere by consolidating, encourage growth by funding all of the smaller alliances in the sphere and building enough of a lower tier threat to overwhelm IQ in all tiers. You laid out a plan that you could have done to make sure you at least have some bargaining chips to negotiate with "relevant IQ alliance". According to yourself you not only actively handicapped yourself so you could appeal to the koolaid Roq served but you even antagonized the people that stood up for you as an ally. Again goes back to sunk-cost fallacy. 2 hours ago, Kayser said: You speak of small scale conflict yet in the same breath actively discourage elements like JEst, Arrgh etc. from engaging in such warfare? Small scale conflict is eventually the goal but wars such as JEst's and Arrgh's actively discourage the actual viability of a world post IQ mid tier supremacy by continuously antagonizing them and creating a game environment that encourages them to continue to stay together. This is of course, against our vision and preferred outcome so of course we would disagree with those actions and take steps against them. In JEst's example, we cut our protectorate that ghosted them. For Arrgh well, Arrgh was just a chance for us to show that we were willing to work with IQ alliances in pursuit of a goal (In order to give credence to our stated direction, not as pre-application ( see you typing there)). No, we don't think Arrgh is the evil of all evils, and neither is JEst but you guys are going about this the wrong way. Aggressive action will always be met with a defensive response and persecuting those IQ alliances will only make it more likely that they stay together. So, if your goal really is to have more fun in a world with multiple poles so you can swim in all of the intrigue, stop fricking it up for those of us actually working towards that goal. By any objective metrics they are aware that their economics is suffering in low tier consolidation and their membership is suffering as well. Only NPO has been able to benefit from IQ with their per day revenue at 400 million cash and 25k refinement of each resource except steel with -17k with a -300k food deficit. No one in IQ is even 1/3 close to those numbers for resource even during peace time but they want to be allied to NPO so what kind of an offer can you make to NPO that they can simple accept to abandon their clique and their thriving economy and their low mid tier consolidation. You can not even make an offer to economically and internally struggling alliances to leave IQ much less thriving ones. Forgive me if I think Roquentin is more pragmatic than you. Time and time again some IQ alliances have told you their alliance success is in line with IQ success so I don't know which part you are ignoring and which part you are accepting. Like sure polaris likes you and aren't invested in IQ that much and might even jump with you but that doesn't achieve anything you set out to do. If 22 people fighting IQ is persecuting them, a war they continue to claim is not even a conflict and they are just casually ignoring it then neither downvoting your most loyal ally's meme will instill confidence in them for your good intentions to change the game. Like sure I know small acts matter but how would you pitch that to an IQ alliance, "look I downvoted my own ally's meme just to make sure you guys know I am not bullshitting to you about my intentions". Yeah that's gonna be something they will say "good job, yes you are doing things that show you are genuinely interested in working closely with us for the betterment of the game" and they for sure aren't laughing their asses off at you pandering to them in such a petty way. 34 Quote I am not a member of Guardian p&w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Kaladin Stormblessed said: Loool how cute. Sums up TKR FA the last year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 IQ doesn't exist. They are part of the Radiant Empire. Everybody knows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Abbas Mehdi said: -snip- I laid out the reasons why our narrative has no inconsistencies with our stated goal, you can choose not to believe them and throw in some ad hom in there to spice it up, but saying it is not there selectively disregards the argument in order to push your narrative. Have fun joining the parade of critics. edit-grmmr Edited February 20, 2018 by Kayser 3 2 Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, Rozalia said: IQ doesn't exist. They are part of the Radiant Empire. Everybody knows this. we tried to warn yall about the paperless hegemony, but noooooo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Kayser - You're just now realizing that top alliances will be heavily criticized because they're the current flagships of this game. >our narrative has no inconsistencies Woo boy. 3 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Kayser said: -snip- When someone has no concept of a valid argument. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Abbas Mehdi said: I am just awed at how much it lacks foresight. you are wearing these horse blinders that is even blocking you from seeing inconsistencies in your own narrative. Are you gonna do a split with them as well and we will start calling this game agar.io. Forgive me if I feel disappointed but I at least expected you to hit a major alliance with enough defensive slots to be considered a blitz Mate they are laughing their ass off in the back channels at the capital you burnt to roll people that are so irrelevant to the political game. Roq doesn't even have to do any work anymore considering whenever he makes a disappointed face you are ready to say you are wrong Forgive me if I think Roquentin is more pragmatic than you. and they for sure aren't laughing their asses off at you pandering to them in such a petty way. 4 Quote Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNG Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Be Roquentin Browsing the OWF as one does. Sees thread about TKR and clicks on it. "TKR are actually cowardly pricks who are worse than NPO and are sucking up to Roq to not be losers." Roquentin: 18 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 That is so disturbing. Almost on a Nicholas Cage meme level. 4 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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