Beatrix Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 UPN didn't embrace or call out for any mass spying, it was a few personal members and DEIC that joined UPN temporarely. Emmad didn't lie to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Nah guys, all the spy attacks were just Sheepy trying to destroy raiding and benefit pixel huggers. You know how much he ​​hates Arrgh. 1 "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my [email protected]#$ nation is [email protected]#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his [email protected]#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out [email protected]#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that [email protected]#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sorry no, if you are trying to rationalize Arrgh aggression, whether people were talking or not, whether there was spying or not, after all the shit they've pulled over the past several months, I'm going to need more absorbent undergarments. That didn't address a single thing I said, try again. You mock as a conspiracy but by definition it is one, not that I said it was a conspiracy (your word not mine) as I don't use it the same way you might. Second it was to address Arrgh, though oddly this wasn't rammed through when they were fighting Mensa, most odd. Naturally the usual claim is then to state that talk of such things predates Arrgh causing them problems, but it's all secret so how am I expected to know this even were it true? I can't know what has been conspired behind closed doors ultimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 UPN didn't embrace or call out for any mass spying, it was a few personal members and DEIC that joined UPN temporarely. Emmad didn't lie to you. Sorry Mr. Walkback, but Saru already confirmed that you did indeed order mass spying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Sorry Mr. Walkback, but Saru already confirmed that you did indeed order mass spying I take it reading comprehension is not your strength. Nowhere did I say that the government issued ordered for mass spying. I said that several of our members carried out spy attacks after hearing the success that DEIC had with it. There was no issue of an order from the government officials. Continue with your transparent spin attempts though... Edited April 6, 2016 by Saru Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangui Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sorry Mr. Walkback, but Saru already confirmed that you did indeed order mass spying We had some members that did espionage on their own, and they were attacked iirc. UPN has not ordered any member to launch spy attacks prior to you attacking us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansarius Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sorry Mr. Walkback, but Saru already confirmed that you did indeed order mass spying No, he said that several members carried out spy attacks. There was no order or encouragement from anyone in the council to do so, they should have encouraged it, but they didn't. 1 “Be your friend’s true friend. Return gift for gift. Repay laughter with laughter again but betrayal with treachery.”― Hávamál Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I pretty much agree with you save the point about their MO. It still works. Nothing prevents anyone from running max mil and low infra and "living off the land". What's broken is people's willingness to put up with it from Arrgh. Well. It could work, in principle. But they were running it to the absolute hilt BEFORE the changes. They didn't have the margins for even a small adjustment, let alone such a large one. I disagree that anyone's willingness to put up with Arrgh changed when the mechanics were adjusted, though. It just became far more practical to do something about it, so the first time they stuck their neck out they got slapped down. (I don't think Arrgh really had a choice, once the mechanics were changed. Probably even if they'd sat patiently and not offended anyone they had already gone too far while the rules were unchanged for no one to find an "in".) Anyways. In my opinion there is a distinction to be drawn here between "Arrgh whining because they are finally getting hit back meaningfully" and "Arrgh being upset about a game change that retroactively made their strategy unfeasible". Does anyone care about that distinction? Hard to say. 1 Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 No, he said that several members carried out spy attacks. There was no order or encouragement from anyone in the council to do so, they should have encouraged it, but they didn't. You guys have lied to me for weeks, why should I believe you now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 You guys have lied to me for weeks, why should I believe you now? We don't give a shit whether you believe us or not. We presented you with the facts, what your opinion of it all is, is pretty much irrelevant. Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I don't know if you were lied to but if so then I'd say lying to Arrgh is justified under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansarius Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 You guys have lied to me for weeks, why should I believe you now? Well, whether or not they've lied to you regarding other matters I don't know, but they haven't lied about this. And me criticizing our own government for not taking a more proactive stance should lend me some credibility. You guys should have gotten rolled weeks ago. 1 “Be your friend’s true friend. Return gift for gift. Repay laughter with laughter again but betrayal with treachery.”― Hávamál Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Well, whether or not they've lied to you regarding other matters I don't know, but they haven't lied about this. And me criticizing our own government for not taking a more proactive stance should lend me some credibility. You guys should have gotten rolled weeks ago. We've actually been rolled many times, the rules change wasn't about making it possible to roll us, it was Sheepy's way of making sure we never get back up again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 We've actually been rolled many times, the rules change wasn't about making it possible to roll us, it was Sheepy's way of making sure we never get back up again. i see ogaden your still buthurt Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Ooof, wow, reading this makes my brain hurt. The amount of conspiracy bullcrap flying around here is insane. While I understand it won't make a lick of difference, as someone who is on the members only, government only, and allied private channels, I can assure you that UPN never ordered any mass spying. In fact, at some point we discussed requesting people to stop so that we can de-escalate the situation. And keep in mind this is after multiple repeated micro raids by Arrrgh in an attempt to lure us into an aggressive attack (as stated specifically by Arrrgh government - Not ordered by Arrrgh gov, but not stopped either). If your complaint is that we waited for something we figured would be to our advantage, well, go cry me a river. Only a fool takes more hits than they need to and we had already begun the process of making military standards so we could more actively counter raids on UPN and our protectorates. I mean, seriously, UPN wasn't even 50% powered up for war when you guys started with the mass raid that led to this conflict. I didn't even have 50% of my tanks in place yet and the only reason I had as many planes on me was because I normally keep 60% plane load (precisely because of the Arrrgh threat that was looming over us). While I know Ogaden and Roz's attempts are paper thin and merely an attempt to spin what has become a complete and utter disaster for Arrrgh, it'd be nice if they'd provide at least some sort of evidence to show that UPN gov lied rather than just throw randomness against the wall. If they can't do that then maybe they should stop with the bald faced attempts to paint UPN as the bad guy when we have repeatedly negotiated in good faith to stop conflict after conflict and were met only with a knife to the back. And Hans and Saru are right, it should have been done earlier, but what's done is done at this point. All I can say is that the sole person I've been able to fight in Arrrgh has been gracious and pleasant in our messages. I can only hope that is the way the majority of Arrrgh is rather than the vileness that's being shown here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I don't know if you were lied to but if so then I'd say lying to Arrgh is justified under the circumstances. "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Ooof, wow, reading this makes my brain hurt. The amount of conspiracy bullcrap flying around here is insane. While I understand it won't make a lick of difference, as someone who is on the members only, government only, and allied private channels, I can assure you that UPN never ordered any mass spying. In fact, at some point we discussed requesting people to stop so that we can de-escalate the situation. And keep in mind this is after multiple repeated micro raids by Arrrgh in an attempt to lure us into an aggressive attack (as stated specifically by Arrrgh government - Not ordered by Arrrgh gov, but not stopped either). If your complaint is that we waited for something we figured would be to our advantage, well, go cry me a river. Only a fool takes more hits than they need to and we had already begun the process of making military standards so we could more actively counter raids on UPN and our protectorates. I mean, seriously, UPN wasn't even 50% powered up for war when you guys started with the mass raid that led to this conflict. I didn't even have 50% of my tanks in place yet and the only reason I had as many planes on me was because I normally keep 60% plane load (precisely because of the Arrrgh threat that was looming over us). While I know Ogaden and Roz's attempts are paper thin and merely an attempt to spin what has become a complete and utter disaster for Arrrgh, it'd be nice if they'd provide at least some sort of evidence to show that UPN gov lied rather than just throw randomness against the wall. If they can't do that then maybe they should stop with the bald faced attempts to paint UPN as the bad guy when we have repeatedly negotiated in good faith to stop conflict after conflict and were met only with a knife to the back. And Hans and Saru are right, it should have been done earlier, but what's done is done at this point. All I can say is that the sole person I've been able to fight in Arrrgh has been gracious and pleasant in our messages. I can only hope that is the way the majority of Arrrgh is rather than the vileness that's being shown here. Another fun revelation, Emmad also claimed he didn't know who was spy attacking us, yet here you are, you DID know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Another fun revelation, Emmad also claimed he didn't know who was spy attacking us, yet here you are, you DID know No idea what Emmad has or has not said to you. But with your track record of lack of comprehension in this thread -- I would not be surprised if you are talking out of your ass as far as that is concerned too. I don't see how you are constantly finding revelations when we are essentially just repeating ourselves. DEIC members spied on you. Yes, we knew that -- like we have said in this thread repeatedly. Did you expect us to come to you and tell you that our ally is spying on you? Several of our members decided to join DEIC in spying after they had success with it -- this wasn't ordered by the government, and carried out by the members who were growing frustrated at you raiding our allies and protectorate. I struggle to see what you have an issue with... Edited April 6, 2016 by Saru 1 Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Another fun revelation, Emmad also claimed he didn't know who was spy attacking us, yet here you are, you DID know Confirmed, Bambino is Emmad. In all seriousness, I don't know exactly what Emmad did or did not know. He's had some real life stuff recently and hasn't always been on, so he may not have been around for those discussions. I don't remember nor do I care to go back through 10,000+ lines of chat. They weren't exactly long or numerous. If Emmad said he didn't know, he didn't know. I've not known him to lie. Though I'm sure you'll find a way to spin that too. Edited April 6, 2016 by Bambino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyte Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 No idea what Emmad has or has not said to you. But with your track record of lack of comprehension in this thread -- I would not be surprised if you are talking out of your ass as far as that is concerned too. I don't see how you are constantly finding revelations when we are essentially just repeating ourselves. DEIC members spied on you. Yes, we knew that -- like we have said in this thread repeatedly. Did you expect us to come to you and tell you that our ally is spying on you? Several of our members decided to join DEIC in spying after they had success with it -- this wasn't ordered by the government, and carried out by the members who were growing frustrated at you raiding our allies and protectorate. I struggle to see what you have an issue with... To help out any Arrgh pirates with comprehension issues... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) I'm still curious on who has attacked Arrrgh aggressively. Sheepy. (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ Edited April 6, 2016 by Kurdanak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sheepy. (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH. I get it, that's why UPN got attacked! Thanks Kurd! We are Sheepy's henchmen after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatrix Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Ogaden, let me explain it to you one last time, and see if you're able to comprehend what I'm saying. A few DEIC members have temporarely joined UPN & independently spied on Arrgh. I, for one, know this because I was lurking in some threads that derailed from their main objective towards one-two members posting that they've spied against Arrgh. There wasn't some big discussion going on, so I'm not even sure government, or most of UPN even knew that this was a thing. With that in mind, nothing that Emmad has or hasn't said to you would be a lie, and none of this justifies your aggression towards UPN and its allies for awhile now. Perhaps you ought to listen instead of yelling out cries of lies and deceit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Moral high ground being claimed by UPN? I laughed. I still am.......!@#$ dropped my banana. I blame arrgh. EUGENE get me another pink banana. 10, this thread could go on for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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