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Well this says it all. :)

The reason wars are longer has nothing to do with the changing playerbase. The war system was changed. The old system let you just sit on and cycle people repeatedly with air strikes over and over for 5 days, and then immediately sub someone in to hit once the war expired, there wasn't much of a way to comeback. Which meant once people were down, they were out, and surrendering was rational as no amount of pride would let you do more damage to your foes. Now its almost impossible to be pinned down permanently. So now wars are only really ended when one side gives out or runs out of resources. You can continue to fight and do damage to your opponent indefinitely. This means things like what terms are presented make far more of an impact in how long the war goes. Before if you asked for 1bn in reps, they had to pay it or suffer it and more in damages, with no path for recourse.

In other words, if you don’t want long wars - pay attention to what terms you’re trying to press. Its why we (TGH/KT) kept the war going against TKR group and why TKR group kept the war going against SyndIQ coalition. Once I saw how big that list was (Granted half of it was goofy stuff), I knew it wouldn’t be a short war. Not that it’s bad to have long wars, but if your expectation is to have a short one - well, the terms of the war is generally the best part to be mindful of.

Your peace requirements where the real troll, but its never Titan's fault, just remember that guys. But yes, that quote was from me, because at that point I was under the obviously false impression that the war had been fought with pretty good will, with no real hate on our part. Since we should have been taken down years ago, and I had no issues losing a war, its why you probably the least amount of crying from the losing side on the OWF, probably ever. I am sad how Titan didn't post the part where he took offense over that nothing statement, and I apologized right afterwards. All this talk about being dynamic, I assumed we would just call it a day and let the dynamism kick off. Instead a bunch of you feeling victory for the first time, and knowing you had us, felt the need to try to violate our sovereignty, and caused the war to drag out for another 2.5 months. My goal going into that war was that I knew we were going to lose, but we would do as much damage as possible and take a look at how other alliances performed and see who could be potential future allies. I guess the nice thing about this war was before it kicked off I didn't really view anyone as a true enemy, but I got some now! BTW when are we going to start being dynamic?

If KT was more autistic, it’d be Mensa HQ.

So um.... Ockey is mass spying people as he always does. Aku/Rosey/whoever else is talking shit as they always do. So.... What's new here?

Congrats to all who fought in this war! It was fun breaking every record in the books! Great working with people who are normally across the aisle and to Nerdsphere (lol) for the fight they put up.

Well, now you know. Also You now know to never ask the forums a sincere and uninformed question. All posts must be statements, dripping with sarcasm and hate....bonus points if you quote someone else's sarcastic response and then add your own brand of acid to the mix. It helps if you hate pixels. Be sure to mention this point several times. Shields up all of the time son!

hmmm yes, please click "delete my nation" and go play farmville

This has been my favorite post of the wars end.

Was this written on a napkin?

I'd rather be made fun of for sticking with your friends then branded a pixelhugger for bailing on the first sign of tough waters ahead... nice op.

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Bruh. Do you even Orbis? This is the weakest troll effort of all time. I would however love to see logs of other instances. I'm personally not without experience in the whole "TKR is stubborn as frick" realm, because TKR is stubborn as frick. But if you're gonna spin SRD being SRD-lite as trolling, you're gonna run into issues with that narrative. And, per the universally accepted stat tracker, Grumpy did in fact do very well for themselves. It's obnoxious as frick, but it's not false.

We "no-showed" a meeting right after everyone on both sides had all agreed to running talks, the entire point of which was not to have set meeting times since those were getting hard to stick to as the holidays drew closer and were always difficult for the Europeans to make. Stop trying to act like we intentionally tried to stand you up when it was evidently nothing more than a misunderstanding on both sides. Also, you didn't ask if it was still on, you pinged us and accused us of walking away again. You should listen to Vack a little more, he has a much better understanding on the situation from our perspective than you've ever displayed. We've literally said as much multiple times on the OWF, the peace talks channel, and in private discussions with some of you but you chose to ignore everything we said in favor of the narratives you pushed on us for each of those issues. If dragging on the war was your goal, that's fine, you definitely succeeded in doing so and gave us fuel to keep fighting. I don't believe it was though, given the reaction of several alliance leaders within your coalition, yourself included, when we decided we didn't want to deal with your nonsense and left.

The thought of KT being more autistic than it already is...I think I'm going to cry.

Purely basing this on what I've seen on the forums, and maybe I'm being naive in thinking like this but I think a big reason for the slow peace process was the initial trolling of TKR in the negotiation channel, the "war heroes" thing. Making a toxic negotiation environment is a great way to put up a roadblock in talks, and looking at the difference between the original terms and the revised terms as well as the course of the war after the initial talks (no notable improvement in TKR sphere position and the hit on TFP) I think I'd be correct in saying TKR didn't stall talks purely for strategic reasons, so it must've been something else. Hence why I say it was the approach to talks. Call them stupid, incompetent or whatever, I think not putting up for shit talk is more or less in line with TKR's culture and the will of their memberhsip. If Coalition A was interested in ending the war in December then a better approach would've been to pry further into TKR's objections with an open mind rather than laugh them out.

I am on good terms with a few within Rose, My issue is not with Rose its a good alliance with some great people in it, MY issue is with Dynamic and the shit he tried to pull. I would have helped Rose if they asked (I Still will help) however I will not be held at gun point to pay them money for protection that 1) I knew nothing about 2) would never had paid for to start with. The only reason I agreed at first was due to Vexz, I could not get a straight answer from Dynamic as to if it was me or Vexz alliance he was demanding cash from, Once i found out it was simply down to me then it was easy to say no, I would not have said no and put Vexz at risk of being attacked or losing protection, they are good people and i simply wouldn't do that. Now I know in the past I have been a troll, did somethings within this world that I am ashamed I was apart of however I have done my best to make peace with my past and move on, some will not let me but that is I guess my punishment for past crimes.

Speaking for the great nation of New Bloxhelm, we are excited to ride The Express into Knights Templar!

Welcome to the game!

No. Before the advent of longer wars, wars had to end because alliances either couldn''t afford to continue them anymore or didn't have the internal political will to sustain them. You're looking at the exact wrong side of the war - wars end when the disadvantaged side decides they should, all things being equal. Until recently, losing sides really couldn't keep it up.

What are those poles? What should we do if those poles you name just fought a war on the same side and appear to be pretty buddy buddy. I would argue the opposite. Limited wars are more professional. If you enter with a limited goal (eg, cutting someone down to size) then 3 rounds is plenty to accomplish a reasonable goal. It's sufficient enough to get a point across, and avoids the mess of terms. If it is not settled with white peace after 3 rounds, your opponent is either delusional, whales who need more time to burn, or nuke bloc. Historically, IRL, limited wars are also a sign of political acumen and I think it is the same here.

"Oh no, the wars are so long now" I think the real take away in this war is that there are no innocents and anything can be used as a CB. Wait didn't we know this already? Actually, the real take away is that it's really amusing to drag everyone into hell. For micros, stagnant alliances, and dead in the water guys, everyone is going to be dragged in now for globals. If you thought not militarizing or claiming neutrality would save you, it won't. In fact it makes you more appetizing.

Good, strong, professional alliances fight long wars. Weak alliances can't. We've reached a stage of the game where a lot of the fat has been boiled off and a few bad rounds aren't that intimidating.

Longer wars has been the trend since ToT. AC was artificially short, both sides recognize that. It could have easily stretched another month or two, however as the dominant force in the game at the time was sitting out IQ and Rosesphere understood it was just making us mutually weaker to TKR's gain. Now that the world is shifting back into bipolarity longer wars will be common as major parties won't be sitting out of globals.

Thanks for all the loot and wars. Twas fun!

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Oh and folks. The charge here is sexism if you will remember. Where is "men are superior to women" said? Like all the last times over the excellent 4 Wives thread, it can never be pointed out where I stated that women were inferior or whatever the hell they are charging me with.

Admin has deemed that RP is fine, as long as you do not do it to any actual good degree. Once you start talking about having many wives and such his impotent rage starts boiling up. How dare a time period be like that. History is sexist oh noes. Oh and for those who think I'm being too harsh or whatever. This admin has called me, not the player, the person behind the nation, a racist, a sexist, and even went so far as to call me "sick". He stepped way out of line first himself and I am merely giving him a little bit back. I unlike many when it comes to themes put a lot of effort in my content. People like flavour. Not everybody can be <Ingame Colour> X. People want to be Templars, they want to be Mongols, they want to be Pirates. However if they dare mention women in their deeds... oh boy, the big tough man that is admin will protect them from seeing such things, what a hero. Note something also. There has been no rape or any such thing in the Legend of Rozalia. There is no need for it after all as the Roz is the perfect man and all women want to be with him. Closest was Lordship here, but if you can put 2 and 2 together you'd see why that situation was thought by the woman as possibly happening, so we can once again talk about there being so something not all that straight going on with Lordship.

Oh man...

He's saying he would be disappointed with some of their members unable to fight us. He'd miss out on the fun. Which to us, is good, tactically speaking. For him, it's a selfish reason but a valid one for him since people enjoy going to war when it happens.

I think Vanguard has done more Infra damage. Nukes and missiles.

I would love to see us 1v1 Rose. I think it's safe to say we would end up like a nuclear wasteland, but I'd like to see how do against a bigger alliance.

I don't think any Mensa raided any of VEs protectorates.

MrHat, I appreciated the joke. <3

Lately? Yes, but had we raided any of VE's protectorates - I'm sure they would've responded faster.

Damn James. A bit of a hard on there. You made your point.

I'm sadden that you stopped posting Korean .gifs

The one thing that bothers me, is that members of Rose previously denied that members of their leadership had nothing to do with the ad in question. Yet through Oblige's apology and offering to 1v1 Mensa ( Which I honestly wish had happened. Would've been fun to be a nuclear waste land! ), then this declaration... Oblige, are you a member of their leadership?

In the end, that won't matter. They'll grow right back up to their previous position within a month or two after the war ends, and if they learned anything from this war ( Given they stick around ) - they may do even better. It's good to get rolled every once in awhile, as long as you learn something from it.

Eventually you'll take them down to a score that you can no longer touch them, while they can sit down and prey on your lower score nations while still having all those Improvement slots.

Make Mensaco pay for it.

Pretty sure leadership in the alliances tied to Mensa saw this as a potential moment, especially after Prefontaine briefly talked about it in the Orbis Central area.

I have a high school hippo crush on you, Molly. Just gotta make sure we're away from a certain cat... cat might get jealous.

We still have to work on our DoWs. Maybe I'll volunteer to do one in a future war.

Haha, you should've seen Mensa before Rose picked up a particular player.