The immortals are an Embarrassment.

[Ayayay]

It is 2019, TI sucks at war
It is 2020, TI sucks at war
It is 2021, TI sucks at war
It is 2022, TI sucks at war
It is 2023, TI sucks at war
It is 2024, TI sucks at war

why is everyone acting surprised again?

Edited June 12 by Ayayay

[Tartarus]

5 hours ago, Ayayay said:

It is 2019, TI sucks at war
It is 2020, TI sucks at war
It is 2021, TI sucks at war
It is 2022, TI sucks at war
It is 2023, TI sucks at war
It is 2024, TI sucks at war

why is everyone acting surprised again?

[Kevanovia]

10 hours ago, Leftbehind said:

TI's performance isn't due to being a failure of an alliance but a difference in the idea of what kind of alliance they want to be. In my honest opinion TI was built to be a community first and an alliance second. That is completely acceptable but it does come with drawbacks and that's what we are witnessing.

TI believes I'm a hater and has even complained to my government about how "Lefty is just a hater" but in all honesty, I don't hate TI. The alliance is full of great individuals who made my limited time very enjoyable while I was there. I just wanted to see certain people take the alliance more seriously because the potential of the alliance is so high that members enjoyment would go up and they could take their rightful place as a game shaker by doing so. 

LT is a fantastic leader that will never get the credit he deserves but he is just one man. He can't manhandle an alliance that size and still touch grass so cut him some slack. As much as you all want to throw this "failure" at his feet it would be foolishness as you have no idea of the work he has put in. 

Well said regarding LT, Lefty.

It has long been the case that TI is a terrible alliance with a solid leader. LT is underrated and one of my favs.

With that said, they can still be a good community while being a terrible PnW AA. 

They are a large group in the game and have been very vocal with their critiques in the past. (As all AA’s should be, makes the game more spicy)

I think it’s fair game to point out their shortcomings as they have attempted to do to other AA’s in the past.

Edited June 12 by Kevanovia

[Vein]

Growth and FA wise TI has done great, hate them if you want, but avoiding a rolling for a straight year+ is impressive. They'll only really have to improve their MA front and if they manage do that they'll rise back up fairly quick. Also give them a break, their first war in a long time was against Welp which arguably has one of the most competent MA's in the game currently.

[BettaChecka]

56 minutes ago, Vein said:

Growth and FA wise TI has done great, hate them if you want, but avoiding a rolling for a straight year+ is impressive. They'll only really have to improve their MA front and if they manage do that they'll rise back up fairly quick. Also give them a break, their first war in a long time was against Welp which arguably has one of the most competent MA's in the game currently.

[Pubstomper]

Third parties demanding resignations of a warring party is pretty cringe. 
 

TI can do better, and hopefully they can shift gears for the remainder of the conflict. I don’t believe that publicly berating them is going to do much other than illustrate yourself as a bully. Let’s also celebrate the success of WELP/Eclipse in this capacity if we are going to focus on the downfalls of the losing side. 
 

That being said, being gov in an alliance who’s having their first war - it has been disheartening to find ourselves among the most motivated in the sphere. Perhaps it is the desire to prove ourselves that keeps us moving. I haven’t been active gov during a global since proxy war when I faceplanted as a leader and it feels really awful, I felt like I let myself and my friends down by leading them into such a loss. Shortly after, I was inactive until I was invited to TGH just before NPOLT, and had I been publicly shamed like this I might’ve just never come back. We all have our ups and downs, and I believe I speak for many in the community when I say we all want to see TI on an up. The method others are taking to say that message just varies.  
 

Tyrion this isn’t the defining moment of your legacy unless you choose for it to be. 

[Kastor]

1 hour ago, Pubstomper said:

Third parties demanding resignations of a warring party is pretty cringe. 
 

TI can do better, and hopefully they can shift gears for the remainder of the conflict. I don’t believe that publicly berating them is going to do much other than illustrate yourself as a bully. Let’s also celebrate the success of WELP/Eclipse in this capacity if we are going to focus on the downfalls of the losing side. 
 

That being said, being gov in an alliance who’s having their first war - it has been disheartening to find ourselves among the most motivated in the sphere. Perhaps it is the desire to prove ourselves that keeps us moving. I haven’t been active gov during a global since proxy war when I faceplanted as a leader and it feels really awful, I felt like I let myself and my friends down by leading them into such a loss. Shortly after, I was inactive until I was invited to TGH just before NPOLT, and had I been publicly shamed like this I might’ve just never come back. We all have our ups and downs, and I believe I speak for many in the community when I say we all want to see TI on an up. The method others are taking to say that message just varies.  
 

Tyrion this isn’t the defining moment of your legacy unless you choose for it to be. 

Pub, you know I love you, but **demand** ?

I’m a political commentator with a radio show. I said this was my personal opinion as well. I didn’t **demand** anything.

 

As I said on the show, this is far from hate. There are alliances I massively dislike, and Ti isn’t one of them. All the criticisms of them in this thread about Ti have been valid criticisms of their stats. 

 

No, we aren’t, and no one is bullying The immortals here. If you don’t want to be criticized, don’t lead, you can easily play and enjoy this game as a member, as I’ve done for years. 

 

Also, The immortals are not TSC, The Foundation, or The Oldest House. This is an established macro alliance. 
 

So please, stop with this whole bullying narrative. Stop with the excuses for them. Posting their stats and saying they have a terrible performance and record isn’t bullying. 

[Pubstomper]

39 minutes ago, Kastor said:

Pub, you know I love you, but **demand** ?

I’m a political commentator with a radio show. I said this was my personal opinion as well. I didn’t **demand** anything.

 

As I said on the show, this is far from hate. There are alliances I massively dislike, and Ti isn’t one of them. All the criticisms of them in this thread about Ti have been valid criticisms of their stats. 

 

No, we aren’t, and no one is bullying The immortals here. If you don’t want to be criticized, don’t lead, you can easily play and enjoy this game as a member, as I’ve done for years. 

 

Also, The immortals are not TSC, The Foundation, or The Oldest House. This is an established macro alliance. 
 

So please, stop with this whole bullying narrative. Stop with the excuses for them. Posting their stats and saying they have a terrible performance and record isn’t bullying. 

If “demand” is a bit strong given the context. I’ll read it as your chosen method to express you want to see them improve.  

What excuses am I making? I said things fell short and hopefully can be executed better going forward - followed up by saying insults and roasts aren’t going to magically make them improve. 
 

I didn’t call anyone a bully or start a greater “narrative” about it. It was mentioned once as an adjective for some of the behavior I’ve seen by posters in the thread, outside of stats.  
 

much love tho ❤️ 

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

2 hours ago, Kastor said:

So please, stop with this whole bullying narrative. Stop with the excuses for them. Posting their stats and saying they have a terrible performance and record isn’t bullying. 

So, calling them an embarrassment multiple times, targeting multiple members telling them to quit or just shitting on them, then having you and your cronies join the down vote crusade for anyone that calls you out on it. That sure looks like bullying to me.

If you and your members are going to act like dicks, atleast have the balls to own up to it. 

[Kastor]

1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

So, calling them an embarrassment multiple times, targeting multiple members telling them to quit or just shitting on them, then having you and your cronies join the down vote crusade for anyone that calls you out on it. That sure looks like bullying to me.

If you and your members are going to act like dicks, atleast have the balls to own up to it. 

1. This performance was embarrassing, it isn’t bullying to call it out.

2. I never told a single member to quit, ever, I told them if they didn’t have the passion, and this was it-they should resign from government. When I made Lordaeron, I was passionate about Lord. When came back to reform TGH, I was and continue to be passionate about TGH. 

I will say again, if you are not passionate about your alliance and want to see them succeed, then you should not be leading. Sit back and let those who are, lead you forward.

 

Tyrion, Latsu, Maks- where is the passion here? Since the beginning of this thread, Ti has declared a total of 2 more offensives. Now I know, you don’t run to my beck and call but still -embarrassing. Tyrion can post and like on the forums but can’t declare wars in-game. 

SRD this is the pot calling the kettle black. This might work on these young guns here who haven’t been around the block but let’s not forget your VE history. How and what you said when you left them, and how you said these same things about YOUR alliance publicly, then left to form GoB. Honestly I know the whole game went SJW after NPO, but YOU of ALL people, can’t fool me. Cry on your hill about Ti if you want, but we both know your history in the same situation, and it was ALOT more like me and a LOT LESS like you are now.

 

Also- I can’t help it if people downvote you and upvote me, just like you can’t help the inverse. If people disagree with you and agree with me, I suggest you look at your own stance and see why it’s the minority.

 

[Buorhann]

Ease up man.  The point was made.  The stats were posted.  No need to go further.

[J Kell]

31 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

Ease up man.  The point was made.  The stats were posted.  No need to go further.

Hell no, keep going. I'm getting Grade A material here!

[Ketya]

SRD, give TGH a break! They are probably already crying to Alex to get the “build a new city button being removed from your account

[Kevanovia]

38 minutes ago, J Kell said:

Hell no, keep going. I'm getting Grade A material here!

Amen. TI can use this as fuel, grudges can be made, plots unfold. Beautiful.

[Buorhann]

1 hour ago, Ketya said:

SRD, give TGH a break! They are probably already crying to Alex to get the “build a new city button being removed from your account

Nah.  I was about to request Grumpy to be permanently NAP cycled by the Admin to save Eclipse/TEst the trouble.

[George]

21 hours ago, Leftbehind said:

TI's performance isn't due to being a failure of an alliance but a difference in the idea of what kind of alliance they want to be. In my honest opinion TI was built to be a community first and an alliance second. That is completely acceptable but it does come with drawbacks and that's what we are witnessing.

TI believes I'm a hater and has even complained to my government about how "Lefty is just a hater" but in all honesty, I don't hate TI. The alliance is full of great individuals who made my limited time very enjoyable while I was there. I just wanted to see certain people take the alliance more seriously because the potential of the alliance is so high that members enjoyment would go up and they could take their rightful place as a game shaker by doing so. 

LT is a fantastic leader that will never get the credit he deserves but he is just one man. He can't manhandle an alliance that size and still touch grass so cut him some slack. As much as you all want to throw this "failure" at his feet it would be foolishness as you have no idea of the work he has put in. 

I actually came here to make essentially the same points. LT has always been awesome to work with, an i have zero issues with him. 

[MasterChief]

3 hours ago, Kevanovia said:

Amen. TI can use this as fuel, grudges can be made, plots unfold. Beautiful.

And the circle of war and politics continues 😎

[Eumirbago]

Alliances like The Immortals and Singularity are made to pad my stats and the stats of The $yndicate and her allies.

On 6/11/2024 at 6:47 PM, Buorhann said:

Damn.  We’re failing at that.  As long as you stay within 250% range, I’ll come say Hi.

Don't hurt yourself, we have a training alliance you can play with.

[SleepingNinja]

19 hours ago, Tartarus said:

That moment when Tartarus was AFK before the start of the match.

 

 

[Buorhann]

59 minutes ago, Eumirbago said:

Don't hurt yourself, we have a training alliance you can play with.

That's illegal.

[Tartarus]

1 hour ago, Eumirbago said:

Alliances like The Immortals and Singularity are made to pad my stats and the stats of The $yndicate and her allies.

Don't hurt yourself, we have a training alliance you can play with.

 

[Krampus]

On 6/12/2024 at 2:44 AM, penpiko said:

I think the natural reaction would be to harass @Krampusuntil he adds a per capita setting to ctowned, has been requested time and again! 

I can make a page, similar to the analysis page, dedicated to per member averaged out stats. hit me up on discord to give me more feedback though

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

17 hours ago, Kastor said:

SRD this is the pot calling the kettle black. This might work on these young guns here who haven’t been around the block but let’s not forget your VE history. How and what you said when you left them, and how you said these same things about YOUR alliance publicly, then left to form GoB. Honestly I know the whole game went SJW after NPO, but YOU of ALL people, can’t fool me. Cry on your hill about Ti if you want, but we both know your history in the same situation, and it was ALOT more like me and a LOT LESS like you are now.

 

3 hours ago, Kastor said:

 

 

Wait, what did I do 8 years ago?  I would love to hear this story, because as far as I know beyond Seeker blaming me for all his problems, I didn't do or say anything particularly malicious about VE after I left, I was pretty busy building a new alliance.  I would love to see you dig that up, because I am generally pretty hilarious, and always enjoy reading my old stuff.

But I am glad to know what you think I did 8 years ago, gives you the right to continue to be a !@#$ thru out your entire history in this game, which includes yesterday.

[Eumirbago]

10 hours ago, Tartarus said:

 

Fully paid when our name was used for Blue

[Kevanovia]

3 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

 

-Snip-

You wanna come on a VC show with Kastor and hash it out?

 

I’m guessing he’s referring to comments like:

2018, back when @Tugger was getting his first whiskers.

2 hours ago, Eumirbago said:

Fully paid when our name was used for Blue

Damn. Eumir, you should lead t$ - it would make Orbis so much more enjoyable

Edited June 13 by Kevanovia