The immortals are an Embarrassment.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Sorry Kev, I would feel bad steam rolling you guys in a voice chat while talking about the Mets/Knicks/Jets for an hour or so.

There is also nothing said in that post you shared that was stated to be mean.  The difference is I said OUR blitz was garbage, OUR entire war effort was bad.  WE were plagued by inactives.  The difference is I include myself with VE's failures in that war which happened 800-900 days before I made that post.   Also you missed the rest of that post, which had some great Grumpy history in it, ill post the rest below so you guys can all read it again.

 

ENJOY!

It was around this time actually it was a little before this war that I had decided to start my own alliance, but I procrastinated and got sucked into the war, but that is neither here nor there.  So post war I created Grumpy Old Bastards and with me came a few of our upper tier nations that were like me dissatisfied with the status quo, (which includes goldie who told me he was just going to quit the game if I hadn't created a new alliance.)

So this is the first alliance I had ever created on my own, and when making it, I wanted to make an alliance that does exactly what I would want if I joined it, which was a small active group of 12-15 people all around my size so that we could work together and kick ass in a war, that was my number one goal.

On top of that there are some other things in there I also wanted to see.  One, No taxes. Ever.  At grumpy we have a saying. That saying is the best person to spend your money is you.  I was sick of paying taxes and seeing them go to people that would quit in a week or go inactive after a few months, that is all wasted money in my opinion, but it was the cost of doing business in a mass recruitment alliance, and Grumpy wasn't going to be one of those.  2nd Step, I was sick of dealing with people that are never online which makes fighting a war much more difficult than it needs to be, so that means, to join, you gotta be daily active.  If you can't log in once a day, I don't want you. Step 3, due to the no tax thing, anyone that joins needs to understand the importance of warchests so they need to be big enough to be self sufficient (hence the self sufficient thing that used to be on our main page that you guys liked to twist to your own uses).  Step 4, which goes along with Step 3 is I am sick of teaching new/small players how to play, and dealing with new/small player crap, and basically any of the work that goes with dealing with new/small players, I had been doing it for years and I was done.  So I added a 10 million dollar membership fee, with the hope that it would discourage new players, and the type of players I wanted to attract wouldn't give a crap because 10 million should have been about a day's worth of income, and it would help build a cash bank that could be used for 0 interest loans.   I have no interest in taking over the world or being number one, I just want to have a small lean alliance that could do some damage in a war, so with that in mind I wanted to go paperless with secret treaties because I figured it would be more interesting, and we may get involved with some things that if we were in a paper block would never come about.  The last thing I wanted with my alliance is to have an extremely loose opsec policy, which basically consists of, if you ever want to know something just ask and unless I have been sworn to secrecy by another alliance leader, I will tell my members anything and everything that is going on.  Which I know has led to some consternation with my allies because I make no secret about the fact that I will tell my guys just about everything as long as there are no leaks. (it's also why Shifty will never be a member of Grumpy, who also has applied to grumpy, and was turned down fyi. Leak that fool!)  I do this because I only really wanted experienced active players and it would be to my advantage to leverage their experience when it came to dealing with OPSEC type stuff.

With those tenants in place Grumpy was created.  In terms of our FA when we first formed being a small upper tier alliance we needed someone to protect us from test who at the time was around 45 members strong, and had their sights on wanting to raid us, because they are and still are today opportunistic and will hit anyone they think they can get away with hitting without taking any real damage.  So really the only alliance with enough political clout to tell Test to go screw was TKR, and while at the time I wanted nothing to do with TKR, I didn't see I had much of a choice.  So with that we became a protectorate of TKR, and to their credit, they did a fantastic job,  New alliances that want a protector you guys should go to TKR.  But you know Test was still a threat so in secret we started talking to other small upper tier alliances, and we actually formed a secret upper tier bloc to fight Test in-case they get a little too testy.   Eventually we took a survey of the alliances in orbis, and asked ourselves who is out there that we know can throw down, and is also big enough so that we can fight with?  Honestly I don't want to ally someone that I cannot fight with, why would I want to ally a lower tier IQ alliance, who had existed for quite some time now, who I would realistically never be able to fight with due to the differences in our nations?  So we reached out to Guardian, because as former members of VE who had clashed with them numerous times, we knew that size wise we were a good fit, and they were dependable war partners.  We got up to around 10-12 members and Test had quit like the opportunistic scumbags they were and still are today, so we didn't see the need to stay a TKR protectorate (which honestly we were for longer than we should have been) and we upgraded to the standard Grumpy, we got your back, if you got ours treaty, they exceeded our expectations as a protectorate and they deserved it.   So to those that complain that we are allied to people that are our size, you are correct we are, because I want allies I can fight with in the trenches because that is much more fun than fighting by myself.

I think that covers basically what grumpy is and what I was trying to build and why I do what I do.  Now to address some of the shenanigans above.  I think it was Roq that was saying that the Grumpy model is unsustainable, because people quit and lose interest after time.  This is true, but that is also why I am extremely selective about who I accept, and why I do my best to keep my players involved and I basically let them do whatever they want.  Do we make suggestions to improve? we do, do we have warchest standards and military mins? we do, but I am fairly lax on most of that as long as they are active, and they all are. (if you look at grumpy's roster, you will see everyone is either yellow, green or blue, at most you may see 1 orange, but that is about it.  How many of you guys out there can say that? I am going to say... just about none of you, including CoS and Test)  I find when you keep your members involved and feeling like they are contributing to our success its much easier to retain them.  Unlike the crazy tax rate alliances, that have cookie cutter nation builds and control every aspect of their growth, I don't understand how that is even remotely fun for the average member.  It may have something to do with the fact that I have been told that Grumpy is the best alliance people have even been in, and why we have had a total of 3 members leave in the last 2 years. (damn you tywin quitting the game raising the number to 3)

I also laugh at those that say we don't want to fight in wars, have you ever met me?  I love me some war, peace time is only good for preparing to fight in the next war.  If we didn't like war we wouldn't have fought in this war, I knew going in we were going to lose, I mentioned it multiple times in this forum, if I operated like super dynamic Test, god knows I would have never joined in, like when they skipped the war where TKR rolled what ever Ros Wei is called now.  We would have also avoided the nuke block war, I went into that war knowing that we were not going to offer peace until we ate every single one of their nukes.  And when they ran out, we peaced out.   I believe only maybe Partisan and whoever was running TKR at the time know this, but when our friends in Hogwarts and TKR where in a bit of a tiff, I straight up told TKR that if anyone I was not allied to hit Hogwarts, Grumpy would attack them, and I 100 percent would have even if that meant getting losing which it probably would have. (which I am glad we didn't have to, because if I rolled into a war only to have Hogwarts disband, I would have been PISSED!)  If we are being honest, I am actually pretty happy we are getting rolled this war, some of my members aren't as battle tested as I would like, and I have been told by others outside of Grumpy that some of them are infra huggers.  You guys are doing me a favor, its easy to be grumpy when we win, but the ones that want to stay grumpy when we lose are the ones I truly want.

As for the accusation that I dislike newer players, I do. I wont deny it, they are a pain in the ass, and I don't have the patience to deal with them anymore, one of the best parts about grumpy is that because we have good experienced players, it basically runs itself, i dont need to babysit, or deal with stupid drama because everyone knows whats up, and what they are doing.

As for thinking we are elite and better than everyone else, guilty as charged, because hell ya I do.  And if you don't think the same about your alliance, maybe you should think about what you are doing.  I think we proved it this war, our eliteness (if that is a word) allows us to roll all of Test and CoS in 2 days (granted their opening attack strategy was terrible, so that was super helpful)  it's why we can embarrass Fark and instantly counter and cover their upper tier when they tried to do... well who knows what they tried to do.  So you are correct, I think we are better than you.  The other advantage of having an upper tier alliance, is I don't have to really give a crap about about 80 percent of the alliances out there, because mechanically you are not any real threat to grumpy, which includes pretty much all of IQ, which always makes me laugh when they view us as some sort of threat to them, i couldn't really care less about what IQ does, because I cant hit them even if I wanted to, even with them militarized we still cant get low enough to hit them.

As for Grumpy being bad for the game, that is some fine politicking you guys are doing.  Its not my job as an alliance leader to lose, my job is to put my alliance in a position to succeed, it's your job to take us down if you think we deserve to be hit.  So to say we are hiding behind our allies is super hypocritical, because if we are guilty of that every single alliance that has at least one treaty is doing the exact same thing.  If you want to compare treaties, I can tell you right now, that we have less treaties than every single one of top 20 alliances, not including those that say they are actually paperless, if that is to be believed or not.

I think that is a long enough wall of text, it actually saved someone from getting hit tonight because I was going to drop down and pick up a target or two, so you guys are welcome.  And if anything doesn't make sense that i wrote above, my bad, but this thing is so long now, even I don't want to go back and reread it.  I look forward to people taking statements I made above and turning them for their own political purposes.

Since this is a Warstats thread, and it seems that i am the only one that posts warstats, here is another one for you.  I have 33 cities, every single one of those cities has been nuked so far this war, and currently 3 of those 33 have been nuked twice!

[Leftbehind]

Look at @Sweeeeet Ronny D with a post longer than the pop up books that most of us players in this game can read. Next time add pictures or at least leave a box of crayons for us. The green ones taste the best FYI. 

 

[Kastor]

50 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Sorry Kev, I would feel bad steam rolling you guys in a voice chat while talking about the Mets/Knicks/Jets for an hour or so.

There is also nothing said in that post you shared that was stated to be mean.  The difference is I said OUR blitz was garbage, OUR entire war effort was bad.  WE were plagued by inactives.  The difference is I include myself with VE's failures in that war which happened 800-900 days before I made that post.   Also you missed the rest of that post, which had some great Grumpy history in it, ill post the rest below so you guys can all read it again.

The Knicks suck -Celtics fan. 
 

So your argument is that if you say it, it’s perfectly fine, but if I say it, it’s mean and bullying. 🤣🤣 Whatever man, you really are just a grumpy old bastard. 

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

42 minutes ago, Leftbehind said:

Look at @Sweeeeet Ronny D with a post longer than the pop up books that most of us players in this game can read. Next time add pictures or at least leave a box of crayons for us. The green ones taste the best FYI. 

 

Hey that thing took forever tor write the first time, if you are going to give me an excuse to use it again, I am taking it, even if it is 6 years later.

 

As for Kastor:

[Kevanovia]

2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

-Snip-

Lol tbf the redirect on MLB talk is a favorite pastime

Edited June 13 by Kevanovia

[darkblade]

4 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Sorry Kev, I would feel bad steam rolling you guys in a voice chat while talking about the Mets/Knicks/Jets for an hour or so.

There is also nothing said in that post you shared that was stated to be mean.  The difference is I said OUR blitz was garbage, OUR entire war effort was bad.  WE were plagued by inactives.  The difference is I include myself with VE's failures in that war which happened 800-900 days before I made that post.   Also you missed the rest of that post, which had some great Grumpy history in it, ill post the rest below so you guys can all read it again.

 

ENJOY!

It was around this time actually it was a little before this war that I had decided to start my own alliance, but I procrastinated and got sucked into the war, but that is neither here nor there.  So post war I created Grumpy Old Bastards and with me came a few of our upper tier nations that were like me dissatisfied with the status quo, (which includes goldie who told me he was just going to quit the game if I hadn't created a new alliance.)

So this is the first alliance I had ever created on my own, and when making it, I wanted to make an alliance that does exactly what I would want if I joined it, which was a small active group of 12-15 people all around my size so that we could work together and kick ass in a war, that was my number one goal.

On top of that there are some other things in there I also wanted to see.  One, No taxes. Ever.  At grumpy we have a saying. That saying is the best person to spend your money is you.  I was sick of paying taxes and seeing them go to people that would quit in a week or go inactive after a few months, that is all wasted money in my opinion, but it was the cost of doing business in a mass recruitment alliance, and Grumpy wasn't going to be one of those.  2nd Step, I was sick of dealing with people that are never online which makes fighting a war much more difficult than it needs to be, so that means, to join, you gotta be daily active.  If you can't log in once a day, I don't want you. Step 3, due to the no tax thing, anyone that joins needs to understand the importance of warchests so they need to be big enough to be self sufficient (hence the self sufficient thing that used to be on our main page that you guys liked to twist to your own uses).  Step 4, which goes along with Step 3 is I am sick of teaching new/small players how to play, and dealing with new/small player crap, and basically any of the work that goes with dealing with new/small players, I had been doing it for years and I was done.  So I added a 10 million dollar membership fee, with the hope that it would discourage new players, and the type of players I wanted to attract wouldn't give a crap because 10 million should have been about a day's worth of income, and it would help build a cash bank that could be used for 0 interest loans.   I have no interest in taking over the world or being number one, I just want to have a small lean alliance that could do some damage in a war, so with that in mind I wanted to go paperless with secret treaties because I figured it would be more interesting, and we may get involved with some things that if we were in a paper block would never come about.  The last thing I wanted with my alliance is to have an extremely loose opsec policy, which basically consists of, if you ever want to know something just ask and unless I have been sworn to secrecy by another alliance leader, I will tell my members anything and everything that is going on.  Which I know has led to some consternation with my allies because I make no secret about the fact that I will tell my guys just about everything as long as there are no leaks. (it's also why Shifty will never be a member of Grumpy, who also has applied to grumpy, and was turned down fyi. Leak that fool!)  I do this because I only really wanted experienced active players and it would be to my advantage to leverage their experience when it came to dealing with OPSEC type stuff.

With those tenants in place Grumpy was created.  In terms of our FA when we first formed being a small upper tier alliance we needed someone to protect us from test who at the time was around 45 members strong, and had their sights on wanting to raid us, because they are and still are today opportunistic and will hit anyone they think they can get away with hitting without taking any real damage.  So really the only alliance with enough political clout to tell Test to go screw was TKR, and while at the time I wanted nothing to do with TKR, I didn't see I had much of a choice.  So with that we became a protectorate of TKR, and to their credit, they did a fantastic job,  New alliances that want a protector you guys should go to TKR.  But you know Test was still a threat so in secret we started talking to other small upper tier alliances, and we actually formed a secret upper tier bloc to fight Test in-case they get a little too testy.   Eventually we took a survey of the alliances in orbis, and asked ourselves who is out there that we know can throw down, and is also big enough so that we can fight with?  Honestly I don't want to ally someone that I cannot fight with, why would I want to ally a lower tier IQ alliance, who had existed for quite some time now, who I would realistically never be able to fight with due to the differences in our nations?  So we reached out to Guardian, because as former members of VE who had clashed with them numerous times, we knew that size wise we were a good fit, and they were dependable war partners.  We got up to around 10-12 members and Test had quit like the opportunistic scumbags they were and still are today, so we didn't see the need to stay a TKR protectorate (which honestly we were for longer than we should have been) and we upgraded to the standard Grumpy, we got your back, if you got ours treaty, they exceeded our expectations as a protectorate and they deserved it.   So to those that complain that we are allied to people that are our size, you are correct we are, because I want allies I can fight with in the trenches because that is much more fun than fighting by myself.

I think that covers basically what grumpy is and what I was trying to build and why I do what I do.  Now to address some of the shenanigans above.  I think it was Roq that was saying that the Grumpy model is unsustainable, because people quit and lose interest after time.  This is true, but that is also why I am extremely selective about who I accept, and why I do my best to keep my players involved and I basically let them do whatever they want.  Do we make suggestions to improve? we do, do we have warchest standards and military mins? we do, but I am fairly lax on most of that as long as they are active, and they all are. (if you look at grumpy's roster, you will see everyone is either yellow, green or blue, at most you may see 1 orange, but that is about it.  How many of you guys out there can say that? I am going to say... just about none of you, including CoS and Test)  I find when you keep your members involved and feeling like they are contributing to our success its much easier to retain them.  Unlike the crazy tax rate alliances, that have cookie cutter nation builds and control every aspect of their growth, I don't understand how that is even remotely fun for the average member.  It may have something to do with the fact that I have been told that Grumpy is the best alliance people have even been in, and why we have had a total of 3 members leave in the last 2 years. (damn you tywin quitting the game raising the number to 3)

I also laugh at those that say we don't want to fight in wars, have you ever met me?  I love me some war, peace time is only good for preparing to fight in the next war.  If we didn't like war we wouldn't have fought in this war, I knew going in we were going to lose, I mentioned it multiple times in this forum, if I operated like super dynamic Test, god knows I would have never joined in, like when they skipped the war where TKR rolled what ever Ros Wei is called now.  We would have also avoided the nuke block war, I went into that war knowing that we were not going to offer peace until we ate every single one of their nukes.  And when they ran out, we peaced out.   I believe only maybe Partisan and whoever was running TKR at the time know this, but when our friends in Hogwarts and TKR where in a bit of a tiff, I straight up told TKR that if anyone I was not allied to hit Hogwarts, Grumpy would attack them, and I 100 percent would have even if that meant getting losing which it probably would have. (which I am glad we didn't have to, because if I rolled into a war only to have Hogwarts disband, I would have been PISSED!)  If we are being honest, I am actually pretty happy we are getting rolled this war, some of my members aren't as battle tested as I would like, and I have been told by others outside of Grumpy that some of them are infra huggers.  You guys are doing me a favor, its easy to be grumpy when we win, but the ones that want to stay grumpy when we lose are the ones I truly want.

As for the accusation that I dislike newer players, I do. I wont deny it, they are a pain in the ass, and I don't have the patience to deal with them anymore, one of the best parts about grumpy is that because we have good experienced players, it basically runs itself, i dont need to babysit, or deal with stupid drama because everyone knows whats up, and what they are doing.

As for thinking we are elite and better than everyone else, guilty as charged, because hell ya I do.  And if you don't think the same about your alliance, maybe you should think about what you are doing.  I think we proved it this war, our eliteness (if that is a word) allows us to roll all of Test and CoS in 2 days (granted their opening attack strategy was terrible, so that was super helpful)  it's why we can embarrass Fark and instantly counter and cover their upper tier when they tried to do... well who knows what they tried to do.  So you are correct, I think we are better than you.  The other advantage of having an upper tier alliance, is I don't have to really give a crap about about 80 percent of the alliances out there, because mechanically you are not any real threat to grumpy, which includes pretty much all of IQ, which always makes me laugh when they view us as some sort of threat to them, i couldn't really care less about what IQ does, because I cant hit them even if I wanted to, even with them militarized we still cant get low enough to hit them.

As for Grumpy being bad for the game, that is some fine politicking you guys are doing.  Its not my job as an alliance leader to lose, my job is to put my alliance in a position to succeed, it's your job to take us down if you think we deserve to be hit.  So to say we are hiding behind our allies is super hypocritical, because if we are guilty of that every single alliance that has at least one treaty is doing the exact same thing.  If you want to compare treaties, I can tell you right now, that we have less treaties than every single one of top 20 alliances, not including those that say they are actually paperless, if that is to be believed or not.

I think that is a long enough wall of text, it actually saved someone from getting hit tonight because I was going to drop down and pick up a target or two, so you guys are welcome.  And if anything doesn't make sense that i wrote above, my bad, but this thing is so long now, even I don't want to go back and reread it.  I look forward to people taking statements I made above and turning them for their own political purposes.

Since this is a Warstats thread, and it seems that i am the only one that posts warstats, here is another one for you.  I have 33 cities, every single one of those cities has been nuked so far this war, and currently 3 of those 33 have been nuked twice!

The player base: This is too long to read!!!!!!

Darkblade (Via Chat GPT):
SRD begins by apologizing to Kev for potentially dominating a voice chat about the Mets, Knicks, and Jets. They then address accusations from a shared post, clarifying that they criticized their own alliance's failures inclusively, not mean-spiritedly.

SRD recounts the history and principles behind the creation of their alliance, Grumpy Old Bastards. Dissatisfied with the status quo, they formed a new alliance prioritizing active, self-sufficient members, no taxes, and a small, effective war group. They aimed to avoid mass recruitment and manage only experienced players.

Grumpy Old Bastards initially needed protection from a larger alliance, Test, and became a protectorate of TKR, which they later left after forming strong relationships with other alliances like Guardian. SRD emphasizes their desire for alliances that could fight alongside them effectively.

Addressing sustainability concerns, SRD highlights their selective recruitment and member retention strategies. They value involvement and autonomy over strict control. They also express their disdain for dealing with new players, preferring an experienced, self-sufficient member base.

SRD asserts their alliance’s war readiness and commitment, disputing claims that they avoid conflict. They express pride in their alliance's competence and superiority, and reject accusations of hiding behind allies, stating their alliance is designed for success, not defeat.

In conclusion, SRD provides war statistics, noting the extensive nuclear attacks their cities have endured during the ongoing conflict.

Edited June 13 by darkblade

[Krampus]

On 6/12/2024 at 2:47 AM, Adrienne said:

I'd settle for having the search feature back, tbh

guess whos back!

back again

[Mayor]

On 6/12/2024 at 12:48 PM, Kastor said:

1. This performance was embarrassing, it isn’t bullying to call it out.

2. I never told a single member to quit, ever, I told them if they didn’t have the passion, and this was it-they should resign from government. When I made Lordaeron, I was passionate about Lord. When came back to reform TGH, I was and continue to be passionate about TGH. 

I will say again, if you are not passionate about your alliance and want to see them succeed, then you should not be leading. Sit back and let those who are, lead you forward.

 

Tyrion, Latsu, Maks- where is the passion here? Since the beginning of this thread, Ti has declared a total of 2 more offensives. Now I know, you don’t run to my beck and call but still -embarrassing. Tyrion can post and like on the forums but can’t declare wars in-game. 

 

I can vouch for Kastor being a great government member in Roz Wei, he was brimming with passion and was super productive. In Rose though for the most part he was a useless inactive who got raided a bunch...

Also I have to laugh at the people complaining about bullying. Like this is tame imho. You gotta troll alliances in their goodbye or birthday threads, getting a page 1 post telling them good-riddance or to disband, and pointing out their pathetic war record to really drive those downvotes.

Also I hate to say it but TI has mostly met my (low) expectations. I don't know why people are so surprised; there are other alliances that probably deserve more criticism for their terrible decisions and lackluster FA that led to this war.

[KindaEpicMoah]

Say what you want about TI, but at least they haven't gotten their bank looted yet

[Buorhann]

16 minutes ago, KindaEpicMoah said:

Say what you want about TI, but at least they haven't gotten their bank looted yet

I'm pretty sure it was looted.

EDIT:

Nevermind, I'm wrong.  I misread the information.  It was some other AA's bank looted.

1 hour ago, Mayor said:

Also I have to laugh at the people complaining about bullying. Like this is tame imho. You gotta troll alliances in their goodbye or birthday threads, getting a page 1 post telling them good-riddance or to disband, and pointing out their pathetic war record to really drive those downvotes.

The forums have been dry for a long time.  All the drama is in RON/DNN nowadays.  So whenever some drama is posted here, people soak it up crazy fast, blow up about it, and ride on it's coattails to get attention off their own opinions.

In the past, a thread like this wouldn't even go past the second page as the forums were saturated with various drama topics.

I'll admit, it's been funny reading some of the stuff said on Discord after this has been posted.

Edited June 14 by Buorhann

[naTia]

14 hours ago, Buorhann said:

In the past, a thread like this wouldn't even go past the second page as the forums were saturated with various drama topics.

At very least this definitely would have been like 1 of 5 different war threads that were all at least 8 pages long. These salt mines aren’t what they used to be.

[SleepingNinja]

3 hours ago, naTia said:

At very least this definitely would have been like 1 of 5 different war threads that were all at least 8 pages long. These salt mines aren’t what they used to be.

Well we got 1 thread up. Just gotta post 4 more talkin shit to some of the other AA's. Someone go make one and dunk on cult of bank got looted twice this war or something. Or Sword Coast. Who names their AA sword coast? Nobodies creative at all in games these days. 

[J Kell]

 

[Krampus]

On 6/12/2024 at 2:44 AM, penpiko said:

I think the natural reaction would be to harass @Krampusuntil he adds a per capita setting to ctowned, has been requested time and again! 

 

On 6/12/2024 at 2:47 AM, Adrienne said:

I'd settle for having the search feature back, tbh

look what we have here! stats per capita tabs!

[Mahatma]

On 6/11/2024 at 6:04 PM, Lord Tyrion said:

 

At least we have integrity and don't violate NAPs.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1810NX7Gf_oKnLQjyjjYwzUwa06LFhLMti8_9ZXAB2U8/edit

 

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[Anarchist Empire]

Winners are determined by who is willing to take the most damage and keep getting up to fight more. So initial damage stats don't ultimately prove it. So I haven't judged yet. (I don't feel like I have a real stake in this global atm, but just my perspective that damage stats doesn't really tell the whole story and we'll see. Last war it being peaced within a day, can't really fault Immortals for that. Since many were involved. So can get a better idea this war.)

When I was fighting Immortals on Yellow, Tyrion did not seem to mind all the damage and loot I got. So he might be willing to absorb it. If their infra cripples them where they are afraid to lose it, then it's more of a hindrance. I think better to let the infra get destroyed and keep the improvements; than selling to try making stats look better.

Even if usually not focused on damage, are times I don't care & willing to take on costs. Not always loot minded, so don't care if overall I'm negative according to Locutus. Since costs are worth it in war often times.

Anarchist Empire losses: (1 nations)
Units:
{SHIP=>7902, AIRCRAFT=>43988, TANK=>596646, SOLDIER=>18480664, NUKE=>114, MONEY=>2274763, MISSILE=>239}
Infra: $2,536,633,508.58
Consumption:
{GASOLINE=299,659.42, MUNITIONS=450,852.35}
Loot:
{MONEY=-2,910,532,089.36, FOOD=-2,500,664, COAL=-79,510, OIL=-77,032, URANIUM=-92,237, LEAD=-44,347, IRON=-84,097, BAUXITE=-40,631, GASOLINE=-185,291, MUNITIONS=-200,995, STEEL=-200,742, ALUMINUM=-161,522}
Buildings:
{impBank=>14, impHangars=>68, impMall=>17, impUramine=>42, impMunitionsfactory=>7, impPolicestation=>16, impNuclearpower=>9, impBarracks=>48, impFactory=>52, impSteelmill=>6, impOilwell=>16, impStadium=>23, impGasrefinery=>29, impDrydock=>54, impRecyclingcenter=>22, impSubway=>26, impAluminumrefinery=>23, impFarm=>4, impBauxitemine=>5, impHospital=>18}
Total:
{MONEY=562,980,262.22, FOOD=-2,500,664, COAL=-79,510, OIL=-77,032, URANIUM=-63,737, LEAD=-44,347, IRON=-84,097, BAUXITE=-40,631, GASOLINE=189,293.42, MUNITIONS=267,782.35, STEEL=334,641, ALUMINUM=167,818}
Converted Total: $1,819,325,135.12

losses:
 (586 nations)
Units:
{SHIP=>5613, AIRCRAFT=>29608, TANK=>522319, SOLDIER=>10305681, NUKE=>49, MISSILE=>102}
Infra: $6,213,561,225.76
Consumption:
{GASOLINE=392,508.09, MUNITIONS=494,133.86}
Loot:
{MONEY=2,910,532,089.36, FOOD=2,500,664, COAL=79,510, OIL=77,032, URANIUM=92,237, LEAD=44,347, IRON=84,097, BAUXITE=40,631, GASOLINE=185,291, MUNITIONS=200,995, STEEL=200,742, ALUMINUM=161,522}
Buildings:
{impPolicestation=>53, impNuclearpower=>16, impIronmine=>21, impBarracks=>134, impSteelmill=>20, impOilwell=>16, impStadium=>75, impGasrefinery=>16, impLeadmine=>4, impDrydock=>126, impSubway=>56, impRecyclingcenter=>53, impBank=>51, impUramine=>14, impHangars=>121, impMall=>68, impMunitionsfactory=>7, impSupermarket=>15, impCoalpower=>1, impFactory=>122, impCoalmine=>15, impWindpower=>2, impFarm=>14, impAluminumrefinery=>13, impBauxitemine=>12, impHospital=>53}
Total:
[4:46 AM]
{MONEY=9,707,092,860.12, FOOD=2,500,664, COAL=79,510, OIL=77,032, URANIUM=104,487, LEAD=44,347, IRON=84,097, BAUXITE=40,631, GASOLINE=609,949.09, MUNITIONS=702,778.86, STEEL=630,291.50, ALUMINUM=356,512}
Converted Total: $19,061,762,107.42

How much damage they've done would be a better stat to show how much fighting they're doing. Much better to have income and be able to afford taking damage as you damage; then have like negative income & need to have loot be higher than your damages & expenses. So stats on how much damage people are doing would be more interesting to see. Damage stats between TGH and Politics & Wei would probably be embarrassing looking for TGH when just going by damage.

Edited June 21 by Anarchist Empire

[Axley]

 

On 6/13/2024 at 2:08 PM, Leftbehind said:

Look at @Sweeeeet Ronny D with a post longer than the pop up books that most of us players in this game can read. Next time add pictures or at least leave a box of crayons for us. The green ones taste the best FYI. 

 

I was Army so not a crayon eater, but I have a few Marine buddies who are. They like the green ones too because the blue ones are too tart.