The immortals are an Embarrassment.

[Duluth]

1 hour ago, Lord Tyrion said:

 

At least we have integrity and don't violate NAPs.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1810NX7Gf_oKnLQjyjjYwzUwa06LFhLMti8_9ZXAB2U8/edit

 

Even if you violate a NAP you are just gonna end up going into net negative anyways.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

You can always get better at war, you cant teach integrity.  Does Rose/Guardian know they just signed an alliance whose word means nothing?

Is this why you jettisoned your old block? Because you figured Rose could protect you more than your old allies from big bad tS?

Edited June 11 by Sweeeeet Ronny D

[Kastor]

12 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

You can always get better at war, you cant teach integrity.  Does Rose/Guardian know they just signed an alliance whose word means nothing?

Is this why you jettisoned your old block? Because you figured Rose could protect you more than your old allies from big bad tS?

tS signed a NAP with us directly after the events occurred. Guess who they didn’t sign one with?

[Sniper]

29 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Does Rose/Guardian know they just signed an alliance whose word means nothing?

Is this why you jettisoned your old block? Because you figured Rose could protect you more than your old allies from big bad tS?

Sounds like someone's coping.

[Yukimiya Kenyu]

In this situation TI is basically the jock who thinks he can bully everyone but instead gets bullied by kids less than half their size 

Edited June 11 by Dark Shinji

[Elesh Norn]

13 hours ago, Kastor said:

What are they gonna do? Fight us? I am not worried.

 

[Buorhann]

4 hours ago, Lord Tyrion said:

 

At least we have integrity and don't violate NAPs.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1810NX7Gf_oKnLQjyjjYwzUwa06LFhLMti8_9ZXAB2U8/edit

 

Integrity doesn’t win wars.

(Also are we referring to the AAs who paid Arrgh to hit Singularity that circumvented the NAP that resulted in billions of damage or the hypothetical that resulted in a scam with no actions/damages done?)

2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

You can always get better at war, you cant teach integrity.  Does Rose/Guardian know they just signed an alliance whose word means nothing?

Is this why you jettisoned your old block? Because you figured Rose could protect you more than your old allies from big bad tS?

Did Grumpy teach TI how to war?  Is that why they disappeared after blitz day?

 

I guess TI is going for Most Honorable AND Worst Performing AA for the end of the year awards.

Edited June 11 by Buorhann

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

1 hour ago, Buorhann said:

Integrity doesn’t win wars.

(Also are we referring to the AAs who paid Arrgh to hit Singularity that circumvented the NAP that resulted in billions of damage or the hypothetical that resulted in a scam with no actions/damages done?)

Did Grumpy teach TI how to war?  Is that why they disappeared after blitz day?

 

I guess TI is going for Most Honorable AND Worst Performing AA for the end of the year awards.

So you being a lying scumbag is ok because others are lying scumbags as well?  I have stated before, I personally would rather lose a war then break my word.   If that makes me bad at the game, I am ok with it.  You are the one whose word means nothing not mine.  (you should see me play poker, I may be the only person you have ever seen never lie about my hand, fun fact I got yelled at by a pit boss in Foxwoods for doing this, you are only allowed to lie about your hand, its against the rules to tell the truth.)

Looking at the stats from Dream it looks like only two real alliances have declared more wars per member than us, so take that as you will.  If that is disappearing, call me John Cena.

You and your cronies want to come on here talking shit, You are the ones that got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, so dont go throwing stones in glass houses.

[MinesomeMC]

9 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

 If that is disappearing, call me John Cena.

You and your cronies want to come on here talking shit, You are the ones that got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, so dont go throwing stones in glass houses.

Bro started writing a poem at the end 

[Adrienne]

A lot of cranky folks here. Did you get waken up in the middle of your NAP?

It's really easy to criticize from the sidelines when you're not in the the thick of it. Appreciate your concern for our ally, but just go back to enjoying building to 4k infra or whatever it is you fine folks are doing.

[Ketya]

Says the alliance that advocates to double nuke/missile costs 😂 what are you guys so scared of?

[MasterChief]

45 minutes ago, Ketya said:

Says the alliance that advocates to double nuke/missile costs 😂 what are you guys so scared of?

Going record number net negative. 

[Adrienne]

19 minutes ago, MasterChief said:

Going record number net negative. 

Eh, don't worry. You'd have to have a lot more members for that to happen 😜

[LachlanPnW]

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Edited June 12 by LachlanPnW

[MasterChief]

40 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

Eh, don't worry. You'd have to have a lot more members for that to happen 😜

Well, could always do a ratio to member stats to technically set a record for %. But idk about overall net lol

Edited June 12 by MasterChief

[Adrienne]

16 minutes ago, MasterChief said:

Well, could always do a ratio to member stats to technically set a record for %. But idk about overall net lol

I would be exceedingly impressed if you broke overall negative net with your membership size. (But yeah, you'd have to measure per capita really and break it that way, but no one much analyzes things that way publicly, except perhaps hidude. Shame. I enjoy those sorts of comparison stats.)

[penpiko]

15 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

I would be exceedingly impressed if you broke overall negative net with your membership size. (But yeah, you'd have to measure per capita really and break it that way, but no one much analyzes things that way publicly, except perhaps hidude. Shame. I enjoy those sorts of comparison stats.)

I think the natural reaction would be to harass @Krampusuntil he adds a per capita setting to ctowned, has been requested time and again! 

[Adrienne]

9 minutes ago, penpiko said:

I think the natural reaction would be to harass @Krampusuntil he adds a per capita setting to ctowned, has been requested time and again! 

I'd settle for having the search feature back, tbh

[Eumirbago]

10 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

You can always get better at war, you cant teach integrity.  Does Rose/Guardian know they just signed an alliance whose word means nothing?

Is this why you jettisoned your old block? Because you figured Rose could protect you more than your old allies from big bad tS?

We're rolling the ever loving !@#$ out of both spheres anyways so same difference.

[Buorhann]

33 minutes ago, Wingawoo said:

I rather want alliances to violate NAPs if they are ACTUALLY GOOD at war unlike you, because you sit on your fat-ass all fricking day while you sip from your members blood, sweat and tears. 

your counters are also stupid, no cohesion or coordination just "oooo i mash buttons"

you are a pathetic excuse for an alliance leader, big shocker that the previous leader left. now go make me a sandwich since you hopefully wont !@#$ that up

That’s a bit much.

Don’t compliment us, you’ll end on the wrong side here.  We’ll be fine.

Tyrion is actually a nice guy, even though TI is sucking right now.

7 minutes ago, Eumirbago said:

We're rolling the ever loving !@#$ out of both spheres anyways so same difference.

So why did we need the extended NAP?  Could’ve been rolling us right now.

[Eumirbago]

10 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

That’s a bit much.

Don’t compliment us, you’ll end on the wrong side here.  We’ll be fine.

Tyrion is actually a nice guy, even though TI is sucking right now.

So why did we need the extended NAP?  Could’ve been rolling us right now.

To get more cities

Pardon me, due to the gag order, I meant to play with our food

Edited June 12 by Eumirbago

[Buorhann]

14 minutes ago, Eumirbago said:

To get more cities

Pardon me, due to the gag order, I meant to play with our food

Damn.  We’re failing at that.  As long as you stay within 250% range, I’ll come say Hi.

[Rebelle]

19 hours ago, Dream said:

Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions about this war and do not reflect the views of my alliance or bloc. But congratulations to TI for setting so many records this war!

As someone fighting from ODOO, I've observed TI since the war began. It's become clear that they never intended to fight back. The low number of war declarations and the failure to deposit excess resources have made this obvious.

Here are the stats from Locutus and CTOWNED to back my claims. 

1. Out of 202 members in TI and TM, 149 have less than 3 wars. Only 13 members in TI have double-digit war declarations in this 24-day global conflict. Here's averages of other alliances: 

1. Dark Brotherhood: 14.19
2. The Sword Coast: 12.91
3. Man I Love Frogs: 12
4. Grumpy Old Bastards: 10.98
5. Knights Templar: 10.48
6. Weaponized Assault Penguins: 10.17
7. Order Of Dawn: 7.94 (Training AA for LoD)
8. House Stark: 7.92
9. The Republic of Libertas: 7.13
10. Empire of the Romans: 7.02
11. The Fremen: 6.71
12. Legion Of Dawn: 6.51
13. The Knights Radiant: 6.25
14. Eclipse: 5.33
15. Weebunism: 4.08
16. The Immortals: 3.79
17. Heung Shing Corporation: 3.38
18. The Lost Mines: 3.15
19. Cult of Cthulhu: 2.82
20. SFR Yugoslavia: 2.48
21. Magister Mortalis: 2.33
22. Antarctic Pirates: 2.25
23. The Mortals: .96 (Training AA for TI)
25. The Commonwealth: .89

2. TI has a total of 632 wars, including Mortals. Here are the war totals for other alliances. Note that only Eclipse has more members than TI here:
   - Eclipse: 1,273
   - The Knights Radiant (TKR): 1,186
   - Dark Brotherhood: 750
   - Knights Templar: 680
   - Weaponized Assault Penguins: 649
   - The Sword Coast (TSC): 607
   - The Immortals (TI): 587
   - Grumpy Old Bastards (GoB): 450
   - Legion Of Dawn: 410
   - House Stark: 388

3. 18 Immortals nations have lost more than half a billion in loot each. Eight of the ten most looted nations in the war are from TI. TI and TM combined have lost 44,085,871,578 in loot, with their training alliance alone losing an average of 68,850,806.06 per member.

4. Total damage dealt is a better performance metric than net damage. Comparing TI and TKR:
   - TKR: 163,253,203,208.72
   - TI: 101,717,547,887.33
   - GoB: 93,092,727,741.40
   - TSC: 64,648,509,902.07
   - The Lost Mines: 31,113,796,761.25

   TI is 60 billion behind TKR in total damage. GoB may soon surpass TI based on recent trends.
Note: TI and TKR have lost the same amount of infra, but TKR still has much better net damage stats than TI. 

5. In the last week:
   - TKR: 20,595,649,830.28
   - TSC: 7,107,994,628.33
   - GoB: 6,972,906,732.87
   - TI: 1,860,232,545.32
   - Banana Stand: 1,647,933,169.29
   - The Lost Mines: 546,430,014.93
   - SFR Yugoslavia: 424,054,641.41
   - Purple Flower Garden: 201,422,425.07
   - The Mortals: -389,864,680.28

   TKR deals over 10 times the damage of TI, with even TSC and GoB dealing over 3.5 times more. TKR's offshores alone deal more damage than all of TI, and Mortals get robbed more than they deal in damage.

6. In the last 48 hours, TI and TM have been robbed more than the damage they've dealt. Here are the total damage values:
   - TKR: 5,789,972,887.00
   - TSC: 1,799,311,402.23
   - GoB: 1,392,559,777.22
   - Banana Stand: 295,829,497.77
   - Purple Flower Garden: 172,579,657.68
   - Cult of Cthulhu: 88,849,682.65
   - The Lost Mines: 81,207,357.40
   - R&R: 43,369,575.85
   - Heung Shing Corporation: 32,896,680.94
   - NeoVenus Construction: 26,297,701.22
   - New Polar Order: 14,151,201.16
   - Nerdys Dungeon: 10,146,392.30
   - The Foundation: 4,482,959.41
   - SFR Yugoslavia: -14,510,643.52
   - TI: -135,499,399.33
   - The Mortals: -163,769,736.21

7. Average damage per member shows how little damage TI members are dealing:
   - GoB: 2,270,554,335.16
   - TSC: 1,375,500,210.68
   - TKR: 877,215,161.5
   - HSC: 596,916,891.05
   - TI: 510,754,526.78
   - SFR: 454,434,743.77
   - TLM: 438,222,489.42

   Even an 8-member micro alliance averages more damage than TI.

8. During the conventional war period, WEL ignored TI members for spying because they knew TI wouldn't spy back. WEL won the spy war.

The stats show that TI never intended to win this war. They gave up from the start and have continued to let their allies down with empty promises. Despite claims of improvement, I've never seen a top 5 alliance perform this poorly. Since they don't care about the war effort, there's no need to reserve the criticism till peace arrives. Its not like they are trying to be good. 

So here's a lesson for ODOO and perhaps everyone in the future; don't ally TI thinking they've gotten any better. 
 
PS: If any TI gov member would like to present a different metric showing that you tried to fight, I'm all ears.  And again, my views donot reflect the views of TSC, these are all my personal opinions.

I hope this isn't misleading 😛

Bro cooked

Edited June 12 by Rebelle

[Leftbehind]

TI's performance isn't due to being a failure of an alliance but a difference in the idea of what kind of alliance they want to be. In my honest opinion TI was built to be a community first and an alliance second. That is completely acceptable but it does come with drawbacks and that's what we are witnessing.

TI believes I'm a hater and has even complained to my government about how "Lefty is just a hater" but in all honesty, I don't hate TI. The alliance is full of great individuals who made my limited time very enjoyable while I was there. I just wanted to see certain people take the alliance more seriously because the potential of the alliance is so high that members enjoyment would go up and they could take their rightful place as a game shaker by doing so. 

LT is a fantastic leader that will never get the credit he deserves but he is just one man. He can't manhandle an alliance that size and still touch grass so cut him some slack. As much as you all want to throw this "failure" at his feet it would be foolishness as you have no idea of the work he has put in. 

[LachlanPnW]

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Edited June 12 by LachlanPnW