Popular Post Prefontaine Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 I was one of the people who was brought in to look at the body of evidence regarding the GPWC money and resource farm to provide feedback to Alex. There's been a lot of talk on both sides about how the action taken was too much, while the other side has said that there was not enough action. That's an indicator of a solid compromise, a reasonable middle. When dealing with this whole situation I want to make one thing clear, there is no good solution. The impact of GPWCs funding of fighting on the last several months can not be addressed adequately, there is no magic fix for what has happened, there is no ideal solution. Thus knowing all of the remaining options are poor ones, why act? Because action needed to be taken. The impact of adding nearly a billion dollars in cash and resources to one side daily over several months of warfare cannot be understated, especially when looking at the climate of the war. This war, like many wars before it, became toxic. However the level of toxicity reached new heights in this war with people on both sides talking like this war was the last war. There were comments about driving people out of the game, wanting to make people quit, see alliances disband. Emotions were high on both sides because of these sentiments. Now, take that environment and find out one side had been funding their campaign with illicit sources. There is no way to roll back the emotion, even if you could roll back the damage. It makes sense that some leadership, even those not accused of cheating, would quit after this event. They adopted an all-in mentality on this war. If you lose your all-in, you've nothing left. However leaders whom encourage their players to delete their accounts simply because their gambit failed are an embarrassment to themselves and the communities they claim to represent. While it is true they cannot force people to delete or quit, trying to exert your influence over your members to do so is beyond disappointing. Some of you I've known for years, even a decade. You've disappointed me. To those claiming that Alex knew about this and gave it his blessing -- you're very much wrong. You knew what you were doing was wrong, its why you approached him with vague statements. If you had laid out what you were actually doing, you would have received a very different response and we both know it. Had you asked him: "Can we invite around 1000 people to join the game, but they're not going to play in the traditional sense, instead they're going to sit in an alliance that taxes them 100% to gain additional resources. In return for them logging in often enough to allow their nations to be taxed properly we will provide them with a translated comic they want. Should they fail to log in frequently enough we remove their access to the comic", do you really believe you would have his okay to move ahead? Of course not, it's why you didn't ask him directly for permission for what you were doing. You knew it was wrong. I've been encouraging, both publicly and privately, alliances who remain to move towards a white peace. The faster we can move past this incident, the better. We need to put this behind us as a cautionary tail of what happens when we become too toxic, and what happens when cheating is allowed at the high levels of governance. This game is not dead, as much as those who were in the wrong, and those whom feel the actions taken against their friends were unjust want it to be. We have a moment -- a few of them -- to take a breath, and as the dust settles on this event we can move forward as a community. A moment of silence to the real victims, the farm owners of GPWC who will no longer be receiving their comics. 6 2 3 52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 No thanks, enjoy the empty husk that is left when we are finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefontaine Posted February 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Nobody Expects said: No thanks, enjoy the empty husk that is left when we are finished. Child. 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filmore Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 We should have a moment of silence for all those poor Guinea pigs who won't know how the next chapter of their manhwas end 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Prefontaine said: Child. You can beg people to stay on all you want, at the end of the day the die has been cast, Alex has made a huge error in judgement and we will move on somewhere else, and leave you with your football and noone left to play with, Child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filmore Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Nobody Expects said: You can beg people to stay on all you want, at the end of the day the die has been cast, Alex has made a huge error in judgement and we will move on somewhere else, and leave you with your football and noone left to play with, Child. How is enforcing the game rules after doing a thorough investigation an error in judgement? The punishment he gave to NPO is more than fair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Nobody Expects said: You can beg people to stay on all you want, at the end of the day the die has been cast, Alex has made a huge error in judgement and we will move on somewhere else, and leave you with your football and noone left to play with, Child. Child. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Just now, Filmore said: How is enforcing the game rules after doing a thorough investigation an error in judgement? The punishment he gave to NPO is more than fair. No wrong was done. Edited February 6, 2020 by Nobody Expects 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mitsuru Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nobody Expects said: You can beg people to stay on all you want, at the end of the day the die has been cast, Alex has made a huge error in judgement and we will move on somewhere else, and leave you with your football and noone left to play with, Child. We can war each other without your presence. You seem to overestimate your personal value. We were in a war with TGH/KT/etc. which is nobody of your side before all of this started and it worked out perfectly fine. Players leaving can be replaced and so can you. Edited February 6, 2020 by Mitsuru 6 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nobody Expects said: No wrong was done. Your responses are so silly, seems like trolling. At this point nothing can save you, why keep posting here if you're done. Edited February 6, 2020 by Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artifex Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Prefontaine said: A moment of silence to the real victims, the farm owners of GPWC who will no longer be receiving their comics. 7 6 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keegoz Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Nobody Expects said: You can beg people to stay on all you want, at the end of the day the die has been cast, Alex has made a huge error in judgement and we will move on somewhere else, and leave you with your football and noone left to play with, Child. I mean, we're perfectly fine playing without you guys. The game will go on as it did before NPO, we're not scared of the game dying without you. We just don't want you to think that you have to delete as we're very willing to forgive those with no involvement or knowledge of what their leadership was doing. We're not afraid of continuing the war and ending it by other means. We'd rather give those that are left the choice to end this now. Edited February 6, 2020 by Keegoz 9 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ArcKnox Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 >There's been a lot of talk on both sides about how the action taken was too much, while the other side has said that there was not enough action. That's an indicator of a solid compromise, a reasonable middle. People on one side are outraged that after being held at war with every dirty trick in the book (culminating in the revelation that it was funded by wholesale cheating) being used to beat them down until they delete/disband/pay exorbitant sums of money, the perpetrators (except one) are now unable to play the game for about as long as they have. People on the other side are indignant that Sheepy dared to touch them. One side refused any peace but total and complete victory. The other has been trying to surrender for months, and granted white peace immediately. Please don't compare the toxicity of "our" side to theirs. 4 7 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 There you have it, someone who has been staunchly against us this war was brought in to act as judge, jury and executioner. These same people will use Admin as a weapon to get what they want as they always have. Enjoy being at the whims of whales. The loud minority own Alex. Forcing people to sign up to be able to enter a raffle was okay in August, in November it wasnt a moderation issue, and all of a sudden it's now not okay. Either GPWC didnt bring in enough revenue for Alex or Alex has been bribed into action. Nevermind Alex's calculated action to inflict long term damage to NPO to try and get us all to quit by removing 65billion more than was gained from tax farms. Reap what you sow. Theres are many decent people here and I hope you will rise up against the loud minority. I'll be bowing out of the game shortly after one more buildup. It was nice meeting the vast majority of you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There you have it, someone who has been staunchly against us this war was brought in to act as judge, jury and executioner. These same people will use Admin as a weapon to get what they want as they always have. Enjoy being at the whims of whales. The loud minority own Alex. Forcing people to sign up to be able to enter a raffle was okay in August, in November it wasnt a moderation issue, and all of a sudden it's now not okay. Either GPWC didnt bring in enough revenue for Alex or Alex has been bribed into action. Nevermind Alex's calculated action to inflict long term damage to NPO to try and get us all to quit by removing 65billion more than was gained from tax farms. Reap what you sow. So, your side of the story is that 100 whales in P&W paid Alex to harm NPO? 1 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDunny Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: There you have it, someone who has been staunchly against us this war was brought in to act as judge, jury and executioner. These same people will use Admin as a weapon to get what they want as they always have. Enjoy being at the whims of whales. The loud minority own Alex. Forcing people to sign up to be able to enter a raffle was okay in August, in November it wasnt a moderation issue, and all of a sudden it's now not okay. Either GPWC didnt bring in enough revenue for Alex or Alex has been bribed into action. Nevermind Alex's calculated action to inflict long term damage to NPO to try and get us all to quit by removing 65billion more than was gained from tax farms. Reap what you sow. Theres are many decent people here and I hope you will rise up against the loud minority. I'll be bowing out of the game shortly after one more buildup. It was nice meeting the vast majority of you. Your alliance cheated. It was clearly cheating. Why bother spinning it? It's not the "loud minority", it's the facts. A hypothetical that did not explain the situation in it's entirety was asked of sheepy and he said ok. Had they explained the entirety of the situation and he said ok and then changed his mind that would be understandable. You didn't do that. Stop trying to blame others and accept that your alliance cheated. If you're going to leave because you got caught than adios. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Turgidson Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Nobody Expects said: No wrong was done. It was blatant cheating, explicitly against the rules, and further against the spirit of the game. I admire the GPWC enterprise in the same way that I admire Al Capone, but at no point would I argue Al Capone did nothing wrong. The GPs were not even real players - they were performing a task n order to get something completely unrelated to P&W. Don't be ridiculous. 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There you have it, someone who has been staunchly against us this war was brought in to act as judge, jury and executioner. These same people will use Admin as a weapon to get what they want as they always have. Enjoy being at the whims of whales. The loud minority own Alex. Forcing people to sign up to be able to enter a raffle was okay in August, in November it wasnt a moderation issue, and all of a sudden it's now not okay. Either GPWC didnt bring in enough revenue for Alex or Alex has been bribed into action. Nevermind Alex's calculated action to inflict long term damage to NPO to try and get us all to quit by removing 65billion more than was gained from tax farms. Reap what you sow. Theres are many decent people here and I hope you will rise up against the loud minority. I'll be bowing out of the game shortly after one more buildup. It was nice meeting the vast majority of you. If that is how you see things, don't let the door hit you on the way out. What they did was indefensible, and if anything, Alex should have given what was seized to their enemies. 2 Quote Are you originally from Earth, too? Proud owner of Harry's goat. It's mine now. I now own MinesomeMC's goat, too. It's starting to look like a herd. Yep, it is a herd. Aldwulf has added his goat, too, and it ain't Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adrienne Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 Can we please not let yet another thread end up like the countless others I can't even keep track of that have popped up since last night? Let's be done with the toxicity and the yelling and the name calling, even if only for a day. Regardless of what happened and which side of the fence you fall on, it happened, it's over. Yelling at NPO or BK or GotG or anyone on that side won't fix anything that's happened this war or last night. Neither will mass-deleting or perma-warring out of spite. To Coalition B alliances, if you guys want to go elsewhere, that is your decision as alliances. I'm sorry to see you guys go but I respect your decision. It's always been my belief that the community comes before anything else so, above all, I appreciate that you're working to keep your communities together, wherever that takes you. If any members of alliances that are leaving the game want to stay in PnW, you should know that most of the leadership in this game are ready to move forward and are not interested in lasting grudges so there are plenty of places you can go that would be willing to take you in. You have some choices to make. If you do choose to stay, I'd advise you to give some thought to which alliances would best suit you individually. To all alliances still at war, know that there is an open offer for white peace and a 6 month NAP on the table. I would ask you to sincerely consider that offer and reach out to one of the leaders on our side if you're interested. Whatever you all decide going forward, I sincerely wish you all the best. 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkAk Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 The level of delusion from the other side (Unless we are all being trolled) is legit scary. They even ignore their side trying to cover up evidence after Alex made them aware of the investigation: "it’s also worth noting that after bringing this up with NPO directly to hear their side of the story, access to the GPWC server was removed and several public Google Drive documents (which screenshots or downloads have been supplied) were modified to edit out the relevant information to this investigation." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 NPO's slogan since the war began months ago has been "moderator action against us will result in us leaving this game". War changes or updates, baseball exploitation fixes, botting/automation... They've been bending the rules to the breaking limit for quite awhile now along with many of their allies. They've been looking for an excuse to say "F-it" and ragequit the game. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, Nobody Expects said: No thanks, enjoy the empty husk that is left when we are finished. Please, I can't wait for the game-killing cancer that is NPO to leave. You're the one party in this who should never get peace. Your toxic community is the one and only one that needs to be forcibly removed from this game. Your scheme failed, and the game is not an empty husk, but it is so very much ALIVE because you failed. We should not forget NPO's objectives of forced disbandment and running unfavored individuals out of the game, nor their progress towards those objectives over the past 6 months on the back of a wide scale cheating operation. Now, you will reap what you have sown. 1 Quote Worst Poster Ever (2011) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said: Please, I can't wait for the game-killing cancer that is NPO to leave. You're the one party in this who should never get peace. Your toxic community is the one and only one that needs to be forcibly removed from this game. Your scheme failed, and the game is not an empty husk, but it is so very much ALIVE because you failed. We should not forget NPO's objectives of forced disbandment and running unfavored individuals out of the game, nor their progress towards those objectives over the past 6 months on the back of a wide scale cheating operation. Now, you will reap what you have sown. You've needed serious help since your CN days, people just regard you as mildly amusing at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Nobody Expects said: You've needed serious help since your CN days, people just regard you as mildly amusing at best. On the contrary to your name, I fully expected character attacks. It's the only thing you have left, after discovering that the admin of this game is not going to simply rubber stamp your cheating as the CN admin did. Quote Worst Poster Ever (2011) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Wellington Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Prefontaine said: Child. Just because a middle exist doesnt mean a good decision was made. More fair would have been: this is as of this moment not okay, stop this. The result of this is that not only gwcp is affected but also allies of NPO, hundreds of players. @Alex didnt respond to my earlier question but thanks OP for providing it, Coal A member(s) were brought in to decide the fate of their ingame enemies. Thats a bad call right there. Its malice to throw a word at it. Coal B has been forced out by admin. The results of coming back on an earlier agreement by Alex or atleast willfully allowing something to excist for months then suddenly stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Nobody Expects said: No thanks, enjoy the empty husk that is left when we are finished. Virgin NPO member seeths as based and Chad game admin dishes out justice to his cheating leadership. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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