WISD0MTREE Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Boy this thread went downhill while I was asleep. Pretty sure it wasn't just this thread, either. Pouring kerosene on the fire is fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 hours ago, WISD0MTREE said: I doubt it. Amount spawned was ~200bn and the war has destroyed 150bn in wealth so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katashimon13 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) past nr econ 18 cities 100 days?? 18 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Amount spawned was ~200bn and the war has destroyed 150bn in wealth so far. obviously the whole world should war then since admin is wanting us to correct this our selves ?economics with explosions rawr Edited June 1, 2019 by katashimon13 rawr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beans98 Posted June 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Well I’m making this one post here. As you’ll know I was one of the leaders of Nova. Due to the scandal I’ve had the dodgy cities deleted by Alex but this won’t be enough for you guys and I understand that. For that reason I’ll be rerolling. But I’d like to ask you guys that you stop witch hunting the members they didn’t know and I didn’t know. I think it’s quite disappointing what’s happened and how the community has completely flipped on us even when Alex had listed who he thinks was involved. I’d like to clarify I didn’t know what was going on the trolls won’t believe me but the friends and even IRL friends I’ve made through this game will know me and know I’m telling the truth. I feel guilty for not spotting the cheating guilyu Edited June 1, 2019 by Beans98 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sketchy said: Amount spawned was ~200bn and the war has destroyed 150bn in wealth so far. Yeah, but the damage done in this war is almost entirely taken out of honest alliances' warchests and builds, both from KETOG and the honest alliances of Chaos Bloc. We can't add the damage done to honest players into the accounting of how much cheated resources has been removed from the game; that's crazy. Edited June 1, 2019 by Sir Scarfalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Yeah, but the damage done in this war is almost entirely taken out of honest alliances' warchests and builds, both from KETOG and the honest alliances of Chaos Bloc. We can't add the damage done to honest players into the accounting of how much cheated resources has been removed from the game; that's crazy. I was making the case against a rollback which would be considerably worse. Given a rollback isn't happening its a moot point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adrienne Posted June 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2019 I just wanted to stop in and give another update here. Some of you may have already noticed but we did make the decision to cut ties with Nova Riata. As I stated earlier, we weren't aware of the situation and we don't support or condone cheating or using exploits. To that end, we have been upfront with Alex in regards to anything we had learned about the situation. Following Alex's earlier post and a conversation with Nova, we decided this would be the best course of action. We understand the desire for justice from the community and we will not stand in the way. We also won't be taking any further action against Nova either though and we'd caution against turning this into a mob justice scenario. The extent of this issue and who exactly was involved isn't known and punishing the entirety of Nova to the extent that has been tossed around for the actions of a few individuals - whether directly involved or "simply" complicit - is detrimental and destructive to the health of this game's community. I'd like to ask @Alex to reconsider his stance regarding his handling of this situation. 1 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Utter Nutter Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, CapnFahQ said: Greetings friends! I just want everyone to know I did my part. While I was not aware of any wrong doing in my time at Nova, I felt the community would rest easier knowing that some of their wealth has been seized by operatives of Not A Scam LLC. and will be put towards building a successful, community oriented trading group. Stay tuned for details! (don't worry, I changed it from Nation to Alliance before I sent it) To my friends at Nova - I am sorry, but you got Fraggled. I also want Orbis to know that I'm quite sure 99% of Nova had no idea this was going on, including the high gov. Our offshores and such were not discussed. Please go easy on them. those resources and money should be confiscated by Alex and deleted. @Alex It would only be fair. Otherwise, some players will still profit from the scam and compromise fair play. Edited June 1, 2019 by Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnFahQ Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Seb said: those resources and money should be confiscated by Alex and deleted. @Alex It would only be fair. Otherwise, some players will still profit from the scam and compromise fair play. I figured it all being spent on nukes was the next best thing to deleting them lol (also these RSS were mostly from the TF merger, I'm not sure how much if any would be from the exploit. Fact is there is probably tons of RSS floating around out there as a result of this. Edited June 1, 2019 by CapnFahQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorical Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, CapnFahQ said: I figured it all being spent on nukes was the next best thing to deleting them lol (also these RSS were mostly from the TF merger, I'm not sure how much if any would be from the exploit. Fact is there is probably tons of RSS floating around out there as a result of this. You said that those resources will be pooled towards a trading group. Now you say that it will be used for nukes. Make up your mind. Not all those resources (if you know what resources are required to make nukes) can be used to make nukes anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnFahQ Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Euphorical said: You said that those resources will be pooled towards a trading group. Now you say that it will be used for nukes. Make up your mind. Not all those resources (if you know what resources are required to make nukes) can be used to make nukes anyways. You think I'm ever going to get access to any of that stuff? Trust me, no matter what my plans were for those RSS they are all fuel for Fraggle nukes now. If you are concerned about RSS on the market we should probably ask Alex to just remove about 1/3 of everyones RSS from all banks. I'm good with that. It's the only way to ensure all those dirty dirty tainted goods are gone seeing as all of Orbis has traded them. Edited June 1, 2019 by CapnFahQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorical Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, CapnFahQ said: You think I'm ever going to get access to any of that stuff? Trust me, no matter what my plans were for those RSS they are all fuel for Fraggle nukes now. In any case, I agree with Seb that these resources should be deleted by Alex. You should have made them disappear from the face of Orbis if you really wanted to proclaim that you did something for the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnFahQ Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Euphorical said: In any case, I agree with Seb that these resources should be deleted by Alex. You should have made them disappear from the face of Orbis if you really wanted to proclaim that you did something for the community. Why these resources in particular may I ask? Because I stole them, or because they were in Nova bank? (This isn't from the offshore, that may be where the confusion lies) 1/3 of the whole market is illegitimate from what I'm hearing, and 95% of the stuff I took was from the TF merge so had nothing to do with it. If Alex felt Nova's AA bank had stuff in it directlyfrom the exploit he would have removed them. He's been pretty thorough with removing cities and projects and RSS so far from what I can gather. Everything went to a better place. Stop ruining my scam. If you are serious about removing tainted goods, than you better recommend a rollback. Because witch hunting individuals for their RSS won't work - this is already being used as a political tool to take out competitors. If you want this stuff removed, ask for the rollback (cause the AA bank was way more stocked a month ago if I was fast I could get at least 1b lol!) Edited June 1, 2019 by CapnFahQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorical Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 hours ago, CapnFahQ said: Why these resources in particular may I ask? Because I stole them, or because they were in Nova bank? (This isn't from the offshore, that may be where the confusion lies) 1/3 of the whole market is illegitimate from what I'm hearing, and 95% of the stuff I took was from the TF merge so had nothing to do with it. If Alex felt Nova's AA bank had stuff in it directlyfrom the exploit he would have removed them. He's been pretty thorough with removing cities and projects and RSS so far from what I can gather. Everything went to a better place. Stop ruining my scam. If you are serious about removing tainted goods, than you better recommend a rollback. Because witch hunting individuals for their RSS won't work - this is already being used as a political tool to take out competitors. If you want this stuff removed, ask for the rollback (cause the AA bank was way more stocked a month ago if I was fast I could get at least 1b lol!) No, my main concern is actually that you are trying to use potentially illegitimate resources for 'legitimate reasons', which does not make them legitimate. Besides, since you said these belong to TF, you are no different from those who stole their alliance bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnFahQ Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Euphorical said: No, my main concern is actually that you are trying to use potentially illegitimate resources for 'legitimate reasons', which does not make them legitimate. Besides, since you said these belong to TF, you are no different from those who stole their alliance bank. So you support the rollback then? Yeah no question here I stole it. Should we go trough trades of everyone in the game who got RSS from a Nova member/aa bank and remove them? Is that what you are suggesting? Your RSS are "potentially" illegitimate as well you know that right? Not possible - you need to push for a rollback if you want the tainted RSS off the market. Edited June 2, 2019 by CapnFahQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorical Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) I only support a rollback to where the benefitting nations where at before 28 April or way before that if Alex finds incriminating evidence that NR had been generating resources way before 28 April albeit small amounts. You can't expect all the resources to be deleted - we can only make do with what is available. But you made it less available to Alex for deletion now. It should have been contained in NR's bank first. Ultimately Alex should also have froze NR's bank. Whatever, it only matters that sending the resources away to Fraggle doesn't help the community in any way I guess. Edited June 2, 2019 by Euphorical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adrienne Posted June 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2019 Last night, I received a message from pooball with a request for me to post something on his behalf on the forums. I was on the fence about posting it but I know a lot of you have questions about how and why this happened so I thought it would be worthwhile to share with you all here. He's not expecting forgiveness but wanted the opportunity to apologize and explain why he did what he did. "Hello everyone its Pooball I know you all dislike me right now and im now banned in game and on the forums but I wanted to explain a few things to you all. Please take your time to read this. Firstly I would like to apologise to everyone and come clean with this this cheat. I did know it was going on and even asked others to help me with it. Everyone who was taking part in this cheat has rightly been banned now. I first noticed that this could happen back during knightfall and at the time I did report this bug to Alex so that it could be fixed at the time Alex doubted me so I done it again and sent him the details but then never had a reply. Not trying to start a big argument now but I had seen others doing the same thing during knightfall. Now anyway a few months before knightfall I started doing a lot of trading I had a lot of people sending me money so that I could trade with more money meaning I could make more money buying bigger bulks. All my trading at the time was 100% not cheating and things was working out very well I had billions invested from many different people over Orbis. Anyway I started to hear a lot of people talking about this big nap ending so I thought great ill buy loads of rss and then sell them during the war. At the time rss was a lot higher in price so for example I bought roughly 500k alum at 2700 ppu. I had many trades like this and then the war hit Nova and I had to send everything away to be safe. Prices started to drop like crazy and I was making a huge loss when it was time to sell everything. Some safekeeping was never returned along with some money but it was my problem so I had to fix it. What money I did get back I ended up buying more rss with to lower the avg price that I had paid but this still didn’t work as nothing was selling on the market. I started to get a lot of angry people demanding for their investments back and managed to avoid paying anyone for along time. This really stressed me out as I was by that time doing so well with Nova and I didn’t want members to lose out due to my mistakes with non alliance issues. I was getting 50+ dms in discord from angry people asking for their money back I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t want to just delete and reroll leaving people losing so much so I wondered what the glitch would do with trades. At this point I didn’t care if I was cheating I didn’t want to let anyone down North 14 knew I owed so much and was stressed about it all so he helped me. No other gov or member or any other players knew this until now so please do not punish them any more please accept them into your alliances and treat them like you would anyone else. I made a lot of good friends and again im sorry to you all. I would also Like to thank everyone who helped me and I wish you all well. I would also like to add that Blink did not know about this even if we are brothers, He 100% would have made me not do it or even reported me. I dont expect any favours from anyone but he really should not be banned. I will stick around on Discord for a few days if anyone wants to talk to me." 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Burke Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Pooball, PnW's Nick Leeson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 2, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2019 Jesus why didn't the guy just ask for help... If he really did tax at 100% he could have so easily taken a loan, paid them out and handled the interest. Or even asked TKR, they're rich, and at least for Ad Mech they gave no-interest no-period loans. I was kinda hoping for an evil mastermind confession, because this is just kinda depressing. It could so easily have been handled without all this. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Hi, Poo. I do not agree with your actions. I don't think I ever will. I don't know how much of what you have attempted to tell us is true, what is false and what is not, but if even half of that which Nizam has relayed is true, I think I can understand why you did it. It does not make it any better, but it helps rationalize it more than just, "You were a greedy bastard". There were inconsistencies in how you spawned those resources, as well as how you used them, and I am not sure whether you apparently using them to keep your members happy is a good thing, or something that makes this situation worse. You could have stopped when you recovered the losses (I sincerely doubt your members invested amounts exceeding $200bn, to pretend otherwise is complete and utter bullshit), but you didn't. That was greed. I am sad that an alliance, which by all other means was doing well for itself, has to be erased from Orbis' map because of the poor decisions made by leadership, and to some extent I can relate (lol). I have seen many people on offsite properties as well as the forum clamoring for 'justice'; I don't think anyone will readily forgive you. Some will never forgive you. Most will never forget. But your membership doesn't deserve to take the brunt of your actions. Collective responsibility was completed when their cities were deleted, their alliance effectively disbanded, and their remaining membership was rolled to dust, left without protector or ally. Justice is more than just the introduction of negative consequences that seek to punish - justice implies a greater sense for good. Our goal must be to prevent, and to restore. I won't fault people for not taking your members in, I know I would be suspicious - perhaps even to the point where I refuse to admit them in my alliance. I have been approached by people throughout yesterday (it is 2:42 AM for me at the moment) inquiring about certain players' activities, in which I've done my best to allow cases of admission to be made for each of them. I hope Nova's community, which comprises first of its people, not of its leaders, neither its bank, nor its alliance proper is able to recover and find new homes to continue playing this game, and that this serves as a lesson for others to not indulge cheating and cheaters, no matter how bad the situation looks. As for Blink, that is an unfortunate situation that rests beyond our control, both as a product of negligence on behalf of you both and ill-thought decisions made on both sides, ours and yours. I hope one day the prospect of him coming back will be entertained. Close the chapter. Restore. Move on. Farewell Pooball, take care in the realm beyond the Great Server. Edited June 2, 2019 by Dio Brando 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynder Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Nizam Adrienne said: I would also like to add that Blink did not know about this even if we are brothers, He 100% would have made me not do it or even reported me. I dont expect any favours from anyone but he really should not be banned. I will stick around on Discord for a few days if anyone wants to talk to me." If there is no proof showing Blink's involvement, then I believe this, Blink has always been a good boi and I too think he'd call Pooball out. I prefer if he was unbanned as well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viselli Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Is there proof Pooball reported this to Alex back during knightfall and nothing was done? I'd like to see screenshots of that EDIT: There is a screenshot of Poo reporting it to Alex regarding nuking someone twice by clicking on two laptops at the same time in the RON discord, Poo claims it was the same exploit he used to spawn the money Edited June 2, 2019 by Viselli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Meh. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viselli Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Meh. I'm not saying this justifies what pooball did at all, he should stay banned. But if it was reported back then it might be possible to track down others. For example I know that TKR had a member beiged twice by the same person, meaning they looted the bank twice for one war, back during Knightfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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