Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Since when do the standards of allowing people soveirgnty over their nations, the liberty to organize their own alliances, and wishing them well have anything to do with attrition? Leaving an alliance during a war under any circumstances is utterly unacceptable and treasonous. If they wanted to create their own alliance they should have either done it before they found out about the war or after it ended. 2 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Red Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Leaving an alliance during a war under any circumstances is utterly unacceptable and treasonous. If they wanted to create their own alliance they should have either done it before they found out about the war or after it ended. If t$ members can, or can't, leave us in the middle of the war, that's for our government to decide. And given that they planned to start their own thing long ago and that this conflict is already decided, we find no need to force them delay their plans any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) If t$ members can, or can't, leave us in the middle of the war, that's for our government to decide. And given that they planned to start their own thing long ago and that this conflict is already decided, we find no need to force them delay their plans any longer. Just because TS is incapable of maintaining their membership during a war doesn't make this new alliance not full of traitors. Besides, this isn't a VietFan, it's only been a month today, how !@#$ impatient are these traitors? Edited May 22, 2016 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Red Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) They asked for permission and permission was granted. They are not traitors. We mantained our membership during the war. This is not a war any more. Just an occupation conflict until Steve decides to sign peace. Edited May 22, 2016 by Ivan the Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Just because TS is incapable of maintaining their membership during a war doesn't make this new alliance not full of traitors. Besides, this isn't a VietFan, it's only been a month today, how !@#$ impatient are these traitors? Who are you to mandate tS' internal policies? This war to tS has transitioned to an occupational conflict, meaning that to a certain degree, peace time policies have gone into effect. Nothing good or bad about that. It just is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Who are you to mandate tS' internal policies? This war to tS has transitioned to an occupational conflict, meaning that to a certain degree, peace time policies have gone into effect. Nothing good or bad about that. It just is. I'm not mandating your internal polices, just that you are clearly incompetent at it and that this new alliance can never be trusted to be faithful. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I'm not mandating your internal polices, just that you are clearly incompetent at it and that this new alliance can never be trusted to be faithful.You're priceless. Unfortunately, you're also completely and utterly wrong. Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Leaving an alliance during a war under any circumstances is utterly unacceptable and treasonous. If they wanted to create their own alliance they should have either done it before they found out about the war or after it ended. Did not know underlord here is part of Syndicate. At least we have an idea of how you think an alliance should be. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I'm not mandating your internal polices, just that you are clearly incompetent at it and that this new alliance can never be trusted to be faithful. Wait, Syndicate is incompetent? Under what gauge is this? War history? Membership history? Score history? Alliance(s) history? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Wait, Syndicate is incompetent? Under what gauge is this? War history? Membership history? Score history? Alliance(s) history? The fact that they'll gladly let traitors leave during a war while they're expending even a slivers worth of resources for it. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Red Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 During peacetime, we let people leave even if we happen to be dealing with raiders at the moment. And this "war" is resembling more and more just an antiraid operation. We are slowly returning to normal peacetime procedures, including rebuiling infra, purchasing cities, and even partial demilitarization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) During peacetime, we let people leave even if we happen to be dealing with raiders at the moment. And this "war" is resembling more and more just an antiraid operation. We are slowly returning to normal peacetime procedures, including rebuiling infra, purchasing cities, and even partial demilitarization. Doesn't matter, no peace treaty Also, wtf do you do to piss off people so much that you have dozens of people raiding you at once? Edited May 22, 2016 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The fact that they'll gladly let traitors leave during a war while they're expending even a slivers worth of resources for it. Who said that they were traitors? You? What is your relation or status with Syndicate affairs? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Who said that they were traitors? You? What is your relation or status with Syndicate affairs? He's my chief diplomat. He's aware of all sneaky snake activities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critters Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 He's my chief diplomat. He's aware of all sneaky snake activities. >_> Quote The Redneck Caliphate of Forrest's Critters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) He's my chief diplomat. He's aware of all sneaky snake activities. Yep, gotta admit I'm pretty good at it [x] Blood for Blood God [x] Skulls for Skull Throne [ ] Neutrality Got all the important bits ticked Edited May 22, 2016 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekaterina Kalmyk Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Leaving an alliance during a war under any circumstances is utterly unacceptable and treasonous. If they wanted to create their own alliance they should have either done it before they found out about the war or after it ended. To be fair, it doesn't look like this war is going to end anytime soon. It's already been going for a month. And on top of that, there haven't been any recent peace talks as far as I can tell (to answer Jon Snow's question). Though someone from t$ or Alpha might know more, as of May 17th, the latest peace talks were on May 7th. Quote Original Art Credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 It's already been going for a month. I know that's long in PW terms but most of TS has some experience in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) so you'd think they would be used to actually long wars Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) To be accurate, it means that he's sought to depart the conflict, and has been permitted do so per our announced policy. We wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors. I'm going to have to correct your mistruth here. And I'm more responding to what looks like your false chest puffing. Peace will happen in the form of truce, and no further wars will be declared on said nations. Alpha associates who wish to accept this offer should send a personal message in-game to Valakias, tS Acting Director of Marketing, or post here in this thread. Ifee didn't contact tS to obtain peace, he just left for Valkyrie, and that was completely fine to Alpha as he's ex-TKP/Asgard. I guess if you have issue with not abiding by terms you can take it up with your Valkyrie. And to correct another of Ivan the Great's posts, Chaf left before these terms were posted, and never contacted TS gov either, not that he would. If you look at the in-game time and OP timestamps corrected for forum timezone he left before terms were posted. Alpha gov fully knew about and both Rose/Alpha approved of. If you have a problem with him not abiding by these terms, I guess you can take that up with Rose. I am just responding to, not "bad mouthing" incorrect posts made by tS leadership, but you don't have one person who has taken you up on your offer according to your OP. Sure, you may get someone down the road, if we are still at war, but you don't have anyone yet, to be factual. I'm not holding anyone hostage in Alpha, they are free to do or leave as they wish. tS has had about 8-12 people leave since the start of the war. We've had a few. It happens and it's not a reflection on any alliance as I don't think those leaving tS were trying to escape war nor were any Alphas. Feel free to not actually address the content of this post, but spend 5 pages shitposting it though, lol. Edited May 24, 2016 by Placentica 2 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 *shitposts* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 *shitposts* Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf the Second Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 underlord, what you say would be completely valid if those members formed a splinter alliance and deserted when t$ needed their help. i regard anyone who vacation modes or quits on the outbreak of war to preserve their pixels as trash :/ (i'll try and repeat though, even though you're tired of hearing it, that Alpha members should not have to stay crushed and useless in low-tier because of Steve's ego.) however, the current war isn't really a war anymore but rather 30 loosely organized rogues flailing around in a lower tier. they pose absolutely no military threat, and so that's why the alliance is conducting business as usual. a lot of us aren't even fighting: i didn't find a single slot myself. i'd hate to have the people over at valkyrie, whom i know and like, have to loaf around in the alliance doing nothing solely because Steve decreed it in trying to lengthen this 'war'. that's exactly what we're trying to avoid, Steve affecting us at all. good luck valkyrie! <3 Quote 01:58:39 <BeowulftheSecond> Belisarius of The Byzantine Empire has sent your nation $0.00, 0.00 food, 0.00 coal, 0.00 oil, 0.00 uranium, 0.00 lead, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 gasoline, 0.00 munitions, 1,000.00 steel, and 0.00 aluminum from the alliance bank of Rose.01:58:46 <BeowulftheSecond> someone please explain 01:59:12 <%Belisarius> sleep deprivatin is a !@#$ @_@01:59:14 — %Belisarius shrugs01:59:18 <BeowulftheSecond> we're at WAR. WE ARE BURNING EACH OTHER'S PIXELS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) underlord, what you say would be completely valid if those members formed a splinter alliance and deserted when t$ needed their help. i regard anyone who vacation modes or quits on the outbreak of war to preserve their pixels as trash :/ (i'll try and repeat though, even though you're tired of hearing it, that Alpha members should not have to stay crushed and useless in low-tier because of Steve's ego.) however, the current war isn't really a war anymore but rather 30 loosely organized rogues flailing around in a lower tier. they pose absolutely no military threat, and so that's why the alliance is conducting business as usual. a lot of us aren't even fighting: i didn't find a single slot myself. i'd hate to have the people over at valkyrie, whom i know and like, have to loaf around in the alliance doing nothing solely because Steve decreed it in trying to lengthen this 'war'. that's exactly what we're trying to avoid, Steve affecting us at all. It's irrelevant whether or not an alliance at war feels they need a members help. It looks bad on the member for being so !@#$ impatient that they couldn't wait until a truce was signed to leave and it looks bad on an alliance who allows it. This isn't VietFan. This isn't a 500 day war. It's been a month. A !@#$ month. 31 days. How goddamn impatient are these !@#$ that a mere month was emotionally tearing them apart? If this was June 23rd I might go "Eh, yea I guess I can kinda understand." If It was July 23rd I might outright agree with you. But Beo 31 days Not 61 days Not 91 days Not a !@#$ 514 day VietFAN II style copypaste occupation of Alpha A mere 31 days Is not !@#$ long enough to !@#$ about length Screw every single impatient !@#$er who left in the middle of the war Screw TS for enabling them And most importantly screw you and everyone defending them as if it's perfectly !@#$ normal and okay Edited May 23, 2016 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Mustang Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'm going to have to correct your mistruth here. And I'm more responding to what looks like your false chest puffing. Ifree didn't contact tS to obtain peace, he just left for Valkyrie, and that was completely fine to Alpha as he's ex-TKP/Asgard. I guess if you have issue with not abiding by terms you can take it up with your Valkyrie. And to correct another of Ivan the Great's posts, Chaf left before these terms were posted, and never contacted TS gov either, not that he would. If you look at the in-game time and OP timestamps corrected for forum timezone he left before terms were posted. Alpha gov fully knew about and both Rose/Alpha approved of. If you have a problem with him not abiding by these terms, I guess you can take that up with Rose. I am just responding to, not "bad mouthing" incorrect posts made by tS leadership, but you don't have one person who has taken you up on your offer according to your OP. Sure, you may get someone down the road, if we are still at war, but you don't have anyone yet, to be factual. I'm not holding anyone hostage in Alpha, they are free to do or leave as they wish. tS has had about 8-12 people leave since the start of the war. We've had a few. It happens and it's not a reflection on any alliance as I don't think those leaving tS were trying to escape war nor were any Alphas. Feel free to not actually address the content of this post, but spend 5 pages shitposting it though, lol. I'm intrigued how you assume that there was no communication between Ifee and tS regarding his departure from the conflict. Or maybe he told you otherwise (perhaps before he contacted us, or he didn't tell you to avoid hurting your feelings, I dunno). Or maybe you're just saying stuff because you don't want it to look like someone accepted our offer (they're hardly terms in any meaningful sense, and you know that). The more salient point, however, is that tS was indeed contacted, as the three truced wars should indicate clearly. I can assure you, we would have maintained a state of war with Ifee had he not contacted us. I really don't see why this is such a big sticking point for you, you were clearly fine with him departing Alpha, and his moving to a new alliance (which literally has an ODP with tS) satisfies our peace requirements to our satisfaction. This is evidently a win-win situation, so let's not drag it down by you insisting on spinning it into some sort of tS failure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Mustang Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's irrelevant whether or not an alliance at war feels they need a members help. It looks bad on the member for being so !@#$ impatient that they couldn't wait until a truce was signed to leave and it looks bad on an alliance who allows it. This isn't VietFan. This isn't a 500 day war. It's been a month. A !@#$ month. 31 days. How goddamn impatient are these !@#$ that a mere month was emotionally tearing them apart? If this was June 23rd I might go "Eh, yea I guess I can kinda understand." If It was July 23rd I might outright agree with you. But Beo 31 days Not 61 days Not 91 days Not a !@#$ 514 day VietFAN II style copypaste occupation of Alpha A mere 31 days Is not !@#$ long enough to !@#$ about length Screw every single impatient !@#$er who left in the middle of the war Screw TS for enabling them And most importantly screw you and everyone defending them as if it's perfectly !@#$ normal and okay If we had an issue with it we'd be glassing their nations. We aren't, we don't, and that's really all there is to it. You can !@#$ about it all you want but it's not going to make us care 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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