Why "Islam" is a bad religion

[Ekejen Luish]

Islam isn't a bad religion. Simply the extremist. Like ISIS, or Al Qaeda. !@#$ them, but the rest of Muslims are fine. 

[Nadir Aminu]

Found this article:

http://theantimedia.org/propaganda-and-islam-what-youre-not-being-told/?utm_source=BR&utm_medium=repost&utm_campaign=BRNov

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

Now before anyone starts fighting the other over this there are some key pieces you are missing to Islam

1. The Muslims were instructed by the Prophet (SAW) to be moderate "We are a moderate nation" That means, dont take the Quran or Hadiths lightly nor extremely.

2. The Quran was aimed to the Arabs when they were FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES so its kind of hard to base it for today so, be reasonable.

3. "He who kills one unjustly it will be as if they have killed all of man kind, and whom so ever saves a person, it will be looked upon as if he has saved all of mankind.

4. The 5 pillars are 5 things one must believe to be a muslim, ie: God, the Books, Last day

5. "If you have to chose between two evils, chose none, if you have to chose between two goods, chose both"

6. Finally, to anyone who thinks islam is bad, doesnt that mean all the 1.5 BILLION muslims are evil?

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

Found this article:

http://theantimedia.org/propaganda-and-islam-what-youre-not-being-told/?utm_source=BR&utm_medium=repost&utm_campaign=BRNov

Ah, yes. Beautiful

[The Governor]

All religion is bad.

[Eric]

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The word used instead, "fitna",  can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).  According to the verse, Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill others in his cause.

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."  

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam"superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

 

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

 

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

 

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam). 

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"  

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

 

Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The word used instead, "fitna",  can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).  According to the verse, Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill others in his cause.

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."  

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam"superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

 

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

 

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

 

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam). 

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"  

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

 

Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

Youre just copy and pasting, and youre not getting the whole story

Also like i said this was aimed to the people of the Arabs during the birth of Islam

Also its noted that the thing greater than Jihad as in holy war was the struggle we have in our own true nature

[Rozalia]

Youre just copy and pasting, and youre not getting the whole story

Also like i said this was aimed to the people of the Arabs during the birth of Islam

Also its noted that the thing greater than Jihad as in holy war was the struggle we have in our own true nature

 

To refute that you're going to have expand your answer beyond that. It certainly doesn't sound like you know much on the subject yourself so calling others ignorant like you seem to be doing so is most odd, especially as what was posted mentions that it's well aware of what you're talking about with the "aimed to the people of the Arabs during the birth of Islam" thing.

 

Then that degrades the message that Islam is perfect and final, or worse if it is certainly final (and perfect) then it states that Muslims should continue to act like that even in our modern age. Which is it?

 

You're going to have to be providing sources mate.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Rozalia

[Eric]

So despite the fact that it was written thousands of years ago, Muslims today are following it...?

[Odin]

[Rozalia]

I'll admit, I did laugh.

[Fox Fire]

I ask Inst to make his points in a very short bullet point format so I may actually respond to them. 

ROFL.

 

 

After meeting Ibrahim, I decided to do some research on Islam myself, on the theoretical and practical basis of the religion, as well as its history. I went into it on the assumption that I would find things to admire and to incorporate into my own practice, and I did, but I found much more to condemn.

 

The basis of Islam is not even the Five Pillars, but orthopraxy. Religions like Christianity are considered orthodox, in that they are concerned with doctrine of believers, but religions like Islam, and for that matter, Judaism, are orthopraxic, in that they are concerned with the conduct of believers. Hence, the practical, real Islam can only be loosely considered a faith; to believe that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammad is his prophet is not enough.

 

This is not particularly offensive in itself; we may have complaints about Zionists, but Jews in their small multitudes are innocuous. The problem, rather, is the nature of the Quran and the Hadiths. While Muslims may promote the Quran as the word of Allah, which perhaps it is, despite the Quran itself claiming that it is complete, Muslim orthopraxy requires the Hadiths, which are the sayings of the Prophet. Now, if the Hadiths were holy, or were well-attributed and well-collected, that might not be a problem, but the earliest Hadiths were verified 200 years after the Prophet's death. Not only that, the Muslims themselves believe that the transmission line of the Hadiths are synthetic, and consequently, in Islam, we have the word of Allah, the Quran, and the word of the Prophet, which is often of questionable veracity and there is a recorded history of politicization, i.e, real Hadiths that didn't fit individuals' political agenda were cut from the line of transmission, and fake Hadiths that were convenient to their proponents were argued into plausibility.

 

What's more, the Hadiths in an orthopraxic religion mean that to adhere to the Hadiths require that one live as though they live in an Arab society of 700 A.D; practices that are wholly outdated in modern times are retained, simply because a religious authority, with a convoluted but still questionable chain of verification, said that Mohammad said so in ancient antiquity.

 

Beyond that, the Quran itself is confused. The Quran actively contradicts itself at many points; Allah is allowed to change his mind and revise his message, but the text states that the later chronological statements in the Quran supersede the earlier chronological statements; i.e, "murdering infidels is holy!" may precede or succeed a more pacifistic line about honoring contracts with those outside your religious community. The worst part? The Quran is ordered by length, not by chronological order. Now, the German orientalist Noeldeke used linguistic analysis to establish a chronological order for the Quran, which is accepted in Western circles, and there is also an Egyptian standard more commonly accepted among Muslims for chronological order. In both these orders, the Quran is relatively sane and civilized. The problem is, why accept these chronological orders? It takes significant research and erudition to determine the practical chronological order of the Quran, and any two-bit conspiracy theorist can justify their Quran order and thus their Islam through shoddy scholarship.

 

When you combine the unverifiability of the Hadiths with the contradictory and chronological nature of the Quran, the end result is that you get a religion that can be interpreted almost any way you want, depending on your present political needs, and once you combine that with its orthopraxic nature, your interpretation du jour can now be used to control the masses of believers. It is a recipe for political disaster, which is what happened in real history.

 

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Mohammad, despite various propaganda, is one of the few elements of Islam that still seem admirable upon critical analysis. Despite being a warlord and taking a child bride, he was a genuine social reformer concerned with the plight of the disenfranchised and weak, and elements of Islam (i.e, limits to polygamy, the Zakat alms requirement) reflect that. While Islam spread in part through the force of arms, Islam also spread through the force of ideas, as the downtrodden in pagan cities would naturally gravitate towards enfranchisement through Islam, and even today, many Muslims in India are the results of conversions of low-caste Hindus to escape the rigorous cruelty of the caste system.

 

Mohammad's problem, however, is that he built a broad-based coalition, and he died unpredictably. The Companions who took over almost immediately begun fighting among each other to establish spiritual authority, and beyond that, the Companions who triumphed tended to be the most conservative and regressive. The story of Ali and Shi'a Islam is a major example of the politicization and the political violence that occurred between Muslims, where the Prophet's own family was disenfranchised from the Muslim mainstream and denied the Caliphate.

 

With taking this as a political-religious tradition, the violent political tradition of Islam becomes more understandable. If you compare it to the Catholic Church, where there was a virtual continuity in religious leadership and the division of military and spiritual power, Islam has seen a series of violent overthrows of the Caliph and violent assumptions of power. The high-stakes of Islamic politics mean that often the worst (i.e, the ones most suited to raising a fanatical and brutal army) political-religious movements come to the fore.

 

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Hence, why "Islam" is a bad religion. The religion is internally contradictory, orthopraxy allows religious authorities, claiming to resolve the internal contradictions of the religion, an inordinate level of control over their believers as well as the ability to chain the Ummah to a society of 700 A.D., and the violent internal politics of Islam drive Islam towards radicalization, violence, and brutality. There are of course positive aspects of the religion; Mohammad, as I mention, is worthy of admiration, and the Quran, despite its contradictory nature, has managed to take Islamophobes into its sympathy; Michel Houellebecq, who was previously on record as saying Islam is the dumbest religion of them all, recently remarked that the Quran is not bad once you actually get to reading it, and recently wrote an ambivalent satire about the Islamic conversion of France. However, the Quranist movement is a strict minority in Islam, and is considered apostate, i.e, viable for the chopping block under Sharia, by mainstream Islam.

Wow, Inst. This is actually a pretty well done post....

[jschidmt]

boy what is it

[Kemal Ergenekon]

Thanks Eric. Bookmarked for later use. I like having violent quotes from Quran under my hand to use against Muslims in religious arguments.

[Moreau]

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

Aslong as Usa,and its allies (israel uk etc) and russia can bomb civillians without anyone acting then these so called "terrorists" are allowed aswell? And why can The Shia goverment of Iran kill innocent Sunni's in Iran going away with it?

America,france and uk in these countries majority of the people are christains

They daily bomb civillians in Syria and Iraq but somehow they're "bombing Isis" does this mean that that christianity is Bad?

Shia's are not Muslim

Islam is Perfect but the Muslims are not

[Emmad]

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

Aslong as Usa,and its allies (israel uk etc) and russia can bomb civillians without anyone acting then these so called "terrorists" are allowed aswell? And why can The Shia goverment of Iran kill innocent Sunni's in Iran going away with it?

America,france and uk in these countries majority of the people are christains

They daily bomb civillians in Syria and Iraq but somehow they're "bombing Isis" does this mean that that christianity is Bad?

Shia's are not Muslim

Islam is Perfect but the Muslims are not

Suicide bombs are a defense? So why do they do it in countries where the national religion is Islam? Or why do they bomb Hindu and Buddhist temples? It's not about "defense", it's about spreading fear...convert or else.

 

I just can't understand any of the thinking put into your post. Terrorists attack all those countries you listed because they don't govern using strict Islamic laws. They murder people simply because they have differing beliefs or do things that are "offensive". 

 

I don't believe Islam is bad, but there are people that do bad things in it's name. And yes, Shia Muslims are Muslims. 

Edited November 22, 2015 by Emmad

[Rozalia]

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

Aslong as Usa,and its allies (israel uk etc) and russia can bomb civillians without anyone acting then these so called "terrorists" are allowed aswell? And why can The Shia goverment of Iran kill innocent Sunni's in Iran going away with it?

America,france and uk in these countries majority of the people are christains

They daily bomb civillians in Syria and Iraq but somehow they're "bombing Isis" does this mean that that christianity is Bad?

Shia's are not Muslim

Islam is Perfect but the Muslims are not

 

Suicide bombs are not defensive. Nonsense. You do not need violence to defeat an enemy either but that path seems to be one they reject completely.

 

The Israel thing is not even worth addressing so I won't. Iran does some bad things yes, however so do the Sunni states to the Shia and yet you didn't attack them in the same breath did you? No, you're perfectly fine with what Iran does, you just disagree with the targets. If they were Sunni doing it to Shia you'd be singing their praises. 

 

They kill civilians as collateral damage (which will happen when cowardly terrorists hide in civilian areas), ISIS just kills civilians. Big difference between the two.

 

If Islam were perfect the Shia (who are Muslim however much it may hurt you) and all the sects wouldn't exist. If Islam were perfect the fear spread that anyone who leaves Islam will be killed, if not by the state, then by "vigilante" citizens that sickening often includes the family of the person would not be necessary, in fact such a thing are the realm of cults, not a religion that professes itself to not be one... and that is just a few points as there is a lot wrong that can be spoken about.

[Dimitri Valko]

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

 

Defense: "resistance against danger, attack, or harm;"

You realise that killing yourself is literally the opposite of defending yourself, right?

[Clarke]

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

Aslong as Usa,and its allies (israel uk etc) and russia can bomb civillians without anyone acting then these so called "terrorists" are allowed aswell? And why can The Shia goverment of Iran kill innocent Sunni's in Iran going away with it?

America,france and uk in these countries majority of the people are christains

They daily bomb civillians in Syria and Iraq but somehow they're "bombing Isis" does this mean that that christianity is Bad?

Shia's are not Muslim

Islam is Perfect but the Muslims are not

I'm sure Muslim countries are also killing innocent Shia's. 

Saying Shia's are not Muslim is like saying Catholicism is the only christian religion. 

[Spite]

It's funny the double standards as well about suicide attacks. If an all American hero stays behind and with his last breath pulls the pin on his last grenade to take a dozen guys with him, he's a hero and they make a film about him. If some afghan peasant does the same thing, they're a suicide bomber If an American B-52 Stratofortress drops over nine tonnes of high ordinance on a civilian target in Vietnam, it's the war effort and necessary to force them to capitulate. If a suicide bomber blows up a dozen people on a bus it's a tragedy and the Muslims are cowards.

 

I'm not supporting islamist terror attacks, since I think their ideology is fundamentally flawed. But you should be careful about using emotive language, it makes you sound either like a patriot (read silly billy) or a propagandist.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Spite

[Thalmor]

If Islam was a religion of peace, then Islamic extremists would be extremely peaceful.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
 

The list just goes on and on and on and on.

[Fox Fire]

Thanks Eric. Bookmarked for later use. I like having violent quotes from Quran under my hand to use against Muslims in religious arguments.

Random violent verses don't really do much good when arguing against Islam, but they are great for attacking Abrahamic religion as a whole. 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

http://www.evilbible.com/

 

 

Once again about suicide bombs,it's only defense

Like in Israel,the Palestinians hardly have weapons and suicide bombing is their only defense

Aslong as Usa,and its allies (israel uk etc) and russia can bomb civillians without anyone acting then these so called "terrorists" are allowed aswell? And why can The Shia goverment of Iran kill innocent Sunni's in Iran going away with it?

America,france and uk in these countries majority of the people are christains

They daily bomb civillians in Syria and Iraq but somehow they're "bombing Isis" does this mean that that christianity is Bad?

Shia's are not Muslim

Islam is Perfect but the Muslims are not

Iran is the equivalent of a utopia in comparison to Saudi Arabia. At least people other than Sunni Arab males actually have rights there. Yeah, let's not mention the Sunni regimes killing innocent people. That totally never happens. Now where exactly is your male escort and burqa, woman?

[Abu Haddad]

In Iran a genocide of Sunnis is taking place.

Iran is no better than stalin

[Abu Haddad]

And Kurds.

In Saudi minoritiies arent purged even if they have less power.

But Saudi government is bad

Edited December 4, 2015 by Abu Haddad

[Lannan13]

"O you who have believed, obey Allah (Quran) and obey the Messenger (Hadith)." (Quran 4:59)

 

Since you wanted to know why Muslims don't simply stick to the Quran. 

I have found the Koran to be a beautiful peace of text. I have heard portions of it sung, or chanted I guess. Mainly it's the Surah Al Baqarah, I think that's what it's called. Though I'm Roman Catholic I still find the Koran to be a beautiful peace of litterature. 

In Iran a genocide of Sunnis is taking place.

Iran is no better than stalin

And Sadaam's genocide of Kurds wasn't any worse?