Why "Islam" is a bad religion

[Lannan13]

I'm sure Muslim countries are also killing innocent Shia's. 

Saying Shia's are not Muslim is like saying Catholicism is the only christian religion. 

I think you mean that saying Shia's aren't Muslims is like saying Roman Catholics aren't Christian. Though Christians can still prefer catholicism.

[Abu Haddad]

In my opinion Shia aren't muslim because they refer other than Allah and Muhaamad.

It like Mormonism. They say they are Christians but other christians dispute this

[Lannan13]

In my opinion Shia aren't muslim because they refer other than Allah and Muhaamad.

It like Mormonism. They say they are Christians but other christians dispute this

Well they believe that the decendent of Muhaamad (Peace be upon him) should be Caliaphate. I really don't see anything wrong with this. It's like saying the Christians want the decendents of Jesus and Mary Magadaline should be Pope and leader of the Church.

[durmij]

It's funny the double standards as well about suicide attacks. If an all American hero stays behind and with his last breath pulls the pin on his last grenade to take a dozen guys with him, he's a hero and they make a film about him. If some afghan peasant does the same thing, they're a suicide bomber If an American B-52 Stratofortress drops over nine tonnes of high ordinance on a civilian target in Vietnam, it's the war effort and necessary to force them to capitulate. If a suicide bomber blows up a dozen people on a bus it's a tragedy and the Muslims are cowards.

 

I'm not supporting islamist terror attacks, since I think their ideology is fundamentally flawed. But you should be careful about using emotive language, it makes you sound either like a patriot (read silly billy) or a propagandist.

 

[Fox Fire]

In Saudi minoritiies arent purged even if they have less power.

But Saudi government is bad

Saudi Arabia is bad.... You're sooooo consistent.....

[Fox Fire]

In my opinion Shia aren't muslim because they refer other than Allah and Muhaamad.

It like Mormonism. They say they are Christians but other christians dispute this

Just like Mormos don't worship Joseph Smith, Shia do not worship Ali. The reason that Mormons are not considered Christian by other sects has basically nothing to do with the way they regard Joseph Smith (I live in Mormonville, homie).

Please tell us more about your outstanding religious knowledge. 

[Fox Fire]

It's funny the double standards as well about suicide attacks. If an all American hero stays behind and with his last breath pulls the pin on his last grenade to take a dozen guys with him, he's a hero and they make a film about him. If some afghan peasant does the same thing, they're a suicide bomber If an American B-52 Stratofortress drops over nine tonnes of high ordinance on a civilian target in Vietnam, it's the war effort and necessary to force them to capitulate. If a suicide bomber blows up a dozen people on a bus it's a tragedy and the Muslims are cowards.

 

I'm not supporting islamist terror attacks, since I think their ideology is fundamentally flawed. But you should be careful about using emotive language, it makes you sound either like a patriot (read silly billy) or a propagandist.

What we did in Vietnam was absolutely despicable and any educated person would agree. Suicide bombing civilians directly defies Islam.  

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The word used instead, "fitna",  can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).  According to the verse, Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill others in his cause.

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."  

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam"superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

 

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

 

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

 

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam). 

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"  

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

 

Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

Time to debunk all of this, hope youre ready

Everything will be in order of how you posted it, so if you put Quran (2:191-193)  etc then i will post the exact same surah and ill explain it properly

1. Quran (2:191-193) or Surah Al-Barqarah. 

2:192 "And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful"

Meaning if they stop fighting, you stop fighting. THIS IS THE NEXT LINE

 

"But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors." The third line of the surah meaning if they stop, you stop. 

 

"And spend in the way of Allah and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, Allah loves the doers of good."   Still the same goddamn surah.

 

So dont use that stupid line "Kill them whever you find them" Youre just picking out the bad line

 

2. 

Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, "Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of Allah "? He said, "Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?" They said, "And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?" But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.

Basically referencing Moses not Muhammad (S.A.W)

 

3. Kind of explained above

 

4. "But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers." I didnt see where it says you have to follow islam. You have to BELIEVE IN GOD and do good deeds. Meaning if you believe in god and do good, see you in paradise (heaven)

 

5. Its pretty much saying Allah will punish those who associate partners with God, because nothing is as powerful as god.

 

Now for some reasons why extermists arent muslim because killing and killing in the name of islam (i.e forcing conversion) is bad)

 

 If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.†(-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.

 

The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.†(8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,†2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.â€

 

 The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . †(Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.â€)

 

Thank you i rest my case

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

For those who think islam is bad and ISIS is teaching proper islam and other bullsh*t here is something you should read (If you think those things)

 

1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.†(i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.â€

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.†(-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.

3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.†(8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,†2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.â€

4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.

5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . †(Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.â€)

6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .â€

7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.

8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.†(Al-Tirmidhi)

9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.â€[5:8]

10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.

Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.â€

In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.

When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:

5:82. †. . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.â€

So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love†to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

"Say : O ye that reject Faith!  I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.  To you be your Way, and to me mine.  (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"

 

 Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

 

Allah Almighty orders Muslims in the Noble Quran to allow total freedom of choice to people and to never try to force them into Islam; "Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion:  Truth stands out clear from error:  whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks.  And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.  (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"  The Noble Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam.  Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims.  They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error...(2:256)"

[Abu Haddad]

No to copy and paste.

Islam does not promote or allow in any way killing innocent people.

IS is evil and are murderers May Allah hold them to account for their despicable actions

[Abu Haddad]

The prophet had treaties with Jews and Christians.

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

The prophet had treaties with Jews and Christians.

The Prophet considered True Jews and Christians as allies and among the believers because Moses (Musa) and Jesus (isa) were prophets

So since we believe in Musa and Jesus Jews, Muslims and Christians should all get along

Hell, if someone believes in in one god they are a believer and should be treated as an equal

HELL! Everyone is equal to us because Allah has told us to judge other, thats gods job, not ours

[Abu Haddad]

The Prophet considered True Jews and Christians as allies and among the believers because Moses (Musa) and Jesus (isa) were prophets

So since we believe in Musa and Jesus Jews, Muslims and Christians should all get along

Hell, if someone believes in in one god they are a believer and should be treated as an equal

HELL! Everyone is equal to us because Allah has told us to judge other, thats gods job, not ours

A true Jew or Christian would know to follow islam as the bible has been edited so many times they have had the truth concealed

[Abu Haddad]

TBF this topic should be closed as it is made to incite hatred to muslims

[Clarke]

I think you mean that saying Shia's aren't Muslims is like saying Roman Catholics aren't Christian. Though Christians can still prefer catholicism.

I meant it as in Sunni == Catholicism in being the primary/first religion and Shia's/Protestants being secondary.

However I have no clue how Islam formed and separated so I don't have much insight other than that they're different. 

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

A true Jew or Christian would know to follow islam as the bible has been edited so many times they have had the truth concealed

Woah woah woah

Now youre getting extreme

Allah never instructed us to force conversion or even suggest it

The king of Medina (during the Prophets time) was a Christian, he knew Islam and Christianity were two lights of the same sun

No one forced him to convert, and i am POSITIVE that if he died a Christian Allah will accept him as a believer

Because Allah is all-forgiving and all-wise

If they worship god and dont associate partners with him, who gives a damn what religion he follows, its not up to us to label and decide who should follow what. Its up to god

True Jews and/or Christians should follow what they want to follow, because we were given free-will for a reason, we should use it

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

I meant it as in Sunni == Catholicism in being the primary/first religion and Shia's/Protestants being secondary.

However I have no clue how Islam formed and separated so I don't have much insight other than that they're different. 

 

I think its mainly sunni and shia

One of them wanted the Prophets relative to serve as leader

The others wanted Abu Bakr a friend of the Prophet to be leader

From there its all twisted thanks to selfish people

[Haylz]

I have some very unfortunate news for you all. I died once for a whole 6 minutes there was nothing! Maybe i was in a test area where they were just checking i was actually dead though ha ha ha 

There's good and bad in every religion I have allot of muslim friends they are nice people. Infact more christian regular church goers have wronged me in my life than any other religion! It's impossible to condemn a whole religion due to a small percentage

[Fox Fire]

A true Jew or Christian would know to follow islam as the bible has been edited so many times they have had the truth concealed

Do you know what these edits are?

 

Indeed there have been many changes throughout the ages, which many people like to ignorantly say makes it null and void. The truth is that the vast majority of these edits are minor, or even insignificant. The real challenge to the legitimacy of the bible is the fact that it's not actually a book, but a seemingly mix matched compilation of various writings from various sources where even today, historians and Christians debate about which books have sufficient authority to be included in the bible.

 

I meant it as in Sunni == Catholicism in being the primary/first religion and Shia's/Protestants being secondary.

However I have no clue how Islam formed and separated so I don't have much insight other than that they're different. 

I don't think that is accurate. Sunni Islam didn't exist until Shia Islam existed and vice versa. Neither of them are original. If there was ever a "true" or "original" Islam, it died with Muhammad. 

[Bilal the Great]

As a person living in Muslim majority country (Indonesia), every muslim I met are nice... when you talking to them face to face. When you're not around I guarantee you will talk shit about you all the time. Sometimes I'm guilty of this too.

 

Also people are pretty racist against jews here, even though there's no jews living in Indonesia. Islam causes people to hate something they never even see in their whole life.

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

As a person living in Muslim majority country (Indonesia), every muslim I met are nice... when you talking to them face to face. When you're not around I guarantee you will talk shit about you all the time. Sometimes I'm guilty of this too.

 

Also people are pretty racist against jews here, even though there's no jews living in Indonesia. Islam causes people to hate something they never even see in their whole life.

You mean people will hate something they have never seen in their whole life?

The USA and the refugees? XD

Religion has almost no change in how you act, unless youre willing to learn from that religion and are willing to change, then it effects their life.

[Crust]

I don't care enough to argue for or against Islam, I just wanted to raise some facts people have been a bit confused about.

 

It's been argued that the prophet was illiterate, meaning from the day he was born to the day he died he never learned how to read or write. The words of the Quran is stated to have been brought to him by the angel Gabriel, who he later had someone else write down. So the reason why none of the hadiths don't come from the source itself is because he couldn't possibly write, if we go by the claims.

 

Now, on to theology. It's important to understand that reading a religious scripture isn't easy. If you take the Torah, the Quran, hindi scripture or any other religion with scriptures that are more than a thousand year old you have to understand that there's a lot of obstacles to understanding the meaning behind the words. Usually you need at least 4-5 years of studying a scripture to even claim to understand what the the passages are about. I mean, why would we even need a pastor or a rabbi if it was that easy to understand the scriptures?

 

Religious leaders, like an imam for example, are in one way similar to legal scholars and have been seen as such throughout history.

[General Peterson]

There's a bible verse saying god will help you crush non-beilvers skulls, and slaves should obey there masters like god. How about how the church acted when they had real power(lied and scammed) do some reasearch on your own relgion before judging others

 

The Bible is pretty messed up if you interpret it literally. Just like the Qur'an.

 

Literal Interpretation of the Bible justifies:

Selling your daughter into slavery

Killing gays

Stoning

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

 

And people wonder why I struggle with religion

[General Peterson]

Also people are pretty racist against jews here, even though there's no jews living in Indonesia. Islam causes people to hate something they never even see in their whole life.

You know who else was racist against Jews? Hitler. He wasn't Muslim and neither were his followers. And I doubt there are 0 Jews there.