Popular Post Prefonteen Posted February 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 Greetings, friends. Some of you might not know me. Thankfully that means this thread won't impact you, you inactive husk. The rest of you are probably about done mourning my retirement. I thank you for your loyal devotion. Not every icon has the pleasure of interacting on the daily with a fanbase as dedicated as you have been. Where was I? A friend from a less politically active alliance remarked to me the other day that he would tune in to a radio show built around Partisas political hot takes. It got me thinking. About the political ambivalence of 3/4th of the orbis player base which forms the foundation for the inertia of the leadership they fail to oust for their inability or unwillingness to do anything meaningful or fun with the power they accumulate. Underneath that personified stagnation lies a complicated web of personal motivators of the human psyche; the little tids and bits that drive us to do what we do, and feel what we feel. And among those tidbits must be a tiny, rough little diamond that radiates ambition and a genuine interest for the machinations of this world. That diamond can not be pushed to the surface for one reason or another. And so it seems, friends, that it rests on me, your ero, to mine your diamond. If my inactive compatriot can ignite himself by merely focusing on my voice and thoughts; if he can drop the crutches of blind obedience and walk again, an independent minded man, by gravitating toward my humble charisma- a beacon as it were, then surely, so can others. Yet a radio show may not be the answers. For I am lazy and refuse bind myself to times or dates. Instead, I will prepare my musings for this forum- my living room. These musings will dig into political occurrences of the distant and more recent past. To the days of Impero and the fall of Saru. To Prefontaine and baby-roq. To mensan menace, to when the meta was undiscovered and cave-government fiddled with nukes and navies, and many more an occurrence. And as I open up my mind to you, you will receive insights into backrooms that you might not know existed. To conversations that were had, but were promptly buried. To strategic considerations you may never have known existed. Throughout all that, you will learn that I loathe most alliances. My opinions will hurt you. I will not care, and you will forgive me. For that is what this is for. Raw. Unbridled. Partisan. We may take it to radio if the masses demand it. Or we may not. For now, ta! 1 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itachi Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Very good, very good. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Back already? I look forward to these discussions, should be interesting. Quote Peace in our time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Lord Vader said: Back already? I look forward to these discussions, should be interesting. No, im retired friend. Free to speak my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Kate Bush Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Where are the hot takes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear ArcticExplorer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Not sure what this is, but nice lol ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Prefonteen said: No, im retired friend. Free to speak my mind. Gone, retired, what's the difference? Quote Peace in our time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, DJ Kate Bush said: Where are the hot takes? I clickbaited you. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinum Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Hi Partisan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenStar10 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I look forward to your "hot takes" lol. Quote Hammer Councillor of The Lost Mines Diety Emeritus of The Immortals, Patres Conscripti (President Emeritus) of the Independent Republic of Orange Nations, Lieutenant Emeritus of Black Skies, Imperator Emeritus of the Valyrian Freehold, Imperator Emeritus of the Divine Phoenix, Prefect Emeritus of Carthago, Regent Emeritus of the New Polar Order, Coal Duke (Imperator Emeritus) of The Coal Mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent W Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 We must listen to the Viprophet. Quote Former Imperial Officer of Internal Affairs and Emperor of the New Pacific Order, Founder of the Syndicate, Current Chief Global Strategist of the Syndicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigbigadorlou Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: Yet a radio show may not be the answers. For I am lazy and refuse bind myself to times or dates. Give me a couple hours heads up on a weekend, and I'll probably be able to organize it "Alexio of the Ampersandii...what did you do anyways?" Quote Hey Krampus, the signature edit is under account settings. Actually, here's the link. https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/settings/signature/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Sorry I only get my hot takes from Phoenyx 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roq Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Who kidnapped Partisan and forced him to write this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Joe Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I'm a sucker for scorching hot political takes myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Shorten Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 If the takes aren't hot do we get a refund? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I may try my damnest to make it to this. If only to reminiscence over the good times. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raphael Posted February 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Prefonteen said: the leadership they fail to oust for their inability or unwillingness to do anything meaningful or fun with the power they accumulate. To have fallen so far and learned nothing. The leadership is not to blame. As much as you and your elitist ilk like to pretend that online nationsim politics is so hard and advanced beyond the means of the everyman, it isn't. Anyone can aspire, politic, and plot. It's your archaic methods in the major alliances and the entanglements of treaties that bind you thusly. Do you want PnW to be interesting? DEMOCRATIZE YOURSELVES - No nation should be slave to their alliance. The alliance should answer to the people. Your typical defense is OPSEC, which is laughable. What opsec have we seen in PnW? Every member, gov or otherwise, rushes to gossip about any unfolding event as quickly as they can. Democracy or no. Plans leak, wars spark, and that is thankfully the only thing that drags politics forward through the mire in which we find ourselves. You want more interesting things happening? Tired of the same old leadership? Then democratize and start seeing turnover and new blood. Your members aren't inactive, they're merely disinterested in investing three years of their lives to maybe get promoted into a position that you'll simply steal back when you unretire every three weeks. gov should be elected via some method, especially the top leader. Arrgh, for example, elects the Grand Admiral and then he/she appoints the rest. treaties, wars, and major decisions should not only be a vote but a discussion. Are you tired of nothing ever happening? SHED YOUR PAPER - I'm really not sure how treaties got carried over from other nationsim games like we learned nothing. I expect because in CN and other games we were too strict, too opsec, too self-contained within our own element of government that we didn't inform the masses who came here and took up the mantle. Treaties fricking suck. They kill intrigue, they kill plotting, they kill politics. Treaties reduce this game of would-be thrones into a mundane exercise in contractual obligation. Congratulations, you're simulating a relationship with a bank. So fun right? FA heads tell me honestly - who do you spend the majority of your time talking to and what do you talk about? It's not your allies unless you truly have a special relationship. You spend your time trying to make new treaties. Upper gov the same. You spend all your political time and energy trying to do something new. Something new is fun, exciting, as it should be. Yet you simple-minded apes can't connect the cause to the effect. You sign a treaty, you now may get an occasional check-in from that ally. More than likely, you'll get radio silence for awhile because the fun has been had and the honeymoon is over. The thing people fail to understand is that a paperless alliance can also obligate itself to defend another alliance. It's an agreement like any other but it's not announced or celebrated and it comes with risk and opportunity. If you agree to defend someone and don't hear from them again until next year - that agreement may be revisited. Similarly, it opens opportunity for politicking on another level. Backstabs, betrayals, disloyalty, plots... Things we pretend to decry in public but crave in private. Just some early morning thoughts from your friendly neighborhood Pirate. 6 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Roberts said: To have fallen so far and learned nothing. The leadership is not to blame. As much as you and your elitist ilk like to pretend that online nationsim politics is so hard and advanced beyond the means of the everyman, it isn't. Anyone can aspire, politic, and plot. It's your archaic methods in the major alliances and the entanglements of treaties that bind you thusly. Do you want PnW to be interesting? DEMOCRATIZE YOURSELVES - No nation should be slave to their alliance. The alliance should answer to the people. Your typical defense is OPSEC, which is laughable. What opsec have we seen in PnW? Every member, gov or otherwise, rushes to gossip about any unfolding event as quickly as they can. Democracy or no. Plans leak, wars spark, and that is thankfully the only thing that drags politics forward through the mire in which we find ourselves. You want more interesting things happening? Tired of the same old leadership? Then democratize and start seeing turnover and new blood. Your members aren't inactive, they're merely disinterested in investing three years of their lives to maybe get promoted into a position that you'll simply steal back when you unretire every three weeks. gov should be elected via some method, especially the top leader. Arrgh, for example, elects the Grand Admiral and then he/she appoints the rest. treaties, wars, and major decisions should not only be a vote but a discussion. Are you tired of nothing ever happening? SHED YOUR PAPER - I'm really not sure how treaties got carried over from other nationsim games like we learned nothing. I expect because in CN and other games we were too strict, too opsec, too self-contained within our own element of government that we didn't inform the masses who came here and took up the mantle. Treaties fricking suck. They kill intrigue, they kill plotting, they kill politics. Treaties reduce this game of would-be thrones into a mundane exercise in contractual obligation. Congratulations, you're simulating a relationship with a bank. So fun right? FA heads tell me honestly - who do you spend the majority of your time talking to and what do you talk about? It's not your allies unless you truly have a special relationship. You spend your time trying to make new treaties. Upper gov the same. You spend all your political time and energy trying to do something new. Something new is fun, exciting, as it should be. Yet you simple-minded apes can't connect the cause to the effect. You sign a treaty, you now may get an occasional check-in from that ally. More than likely, you'll get radio silence for awhile because the fun has been had and the honeymoon is over. The thing people fail to understand is that a paperless alliance can also obligate itself to defend another alliance. It's an agreement like any other but it's not announced or celebrated and it comes with risk and opportunity. If you agree to defend someone and don't hear from them again until next year - that agreement may be revisited. Similarly, it opens opportunity for politicking on another level. Backstabs, betrayals, disloyalty, plots... Things we pretend to decry in public but crave in private. Just some early morning thoughts from your friendly neighborhood Pirate. Tried a bunch of this, still have an open opsec policy in my alliance. Democracies are the worst. We were paperless, until the entire world ganged up on us and told us we were not allowed to be paperless anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Roberts said: To have fallen so far and learned nothing. The leadership is not to blame. As much as you and your elitist ilk like to pretend that online nationsim politics is so hard and advanced beyond the means of the everyman, it isn't. Anyone can aspire, politic, and plot. It's your archaic methods in the major alliances and the entanglements of treaties that bind you thusly. Do you want PnW to be interesting? DEMOCRATIZE YOURSELVES - No nation should be slave to their alliance. The alliance should answer to the people. Your typical defense is OPSEC, which is laughable. What opsec have we seen in PnW? Every member, gov or otherwise, rushes to gossip about any unfolding event as quickly as they can. Democracy or no. Plans leak, wars spark, and that is thankfully the only thing that drags politics forward through the mire in which we find ourselves. You want more interesting things happening? Tired of the same old leadership? Then democratize and start seeing turnover and new blood. Your members aren't inactive, they're merely disinterested in investing three years of their lives to maybe get promoted into a position that you'll simply steal back when you unretire every three weeks. gov should be elected via some method, especially the top leader. Arrgh, for example, elects the Grand Admiral and then he/she appoints the rest. treaties, wars, and major decisions should not only be a vote but a discussion. Are you tired of nothing ever happening? SHED YOUR PAPER - I'm really not sure how treaties got carried over from other nationsim games like we learned nothing. I expect because in CN and other games we were too strict, too opsec, too self-contained within our own element of government that we didn't inform the masses who came here and took up the mantle. Treaties fricking suck. They kill intrigue, they kill plotting, they kill politics. Treaties reduce this game of would-be thrones into a mundane exercise in contractual obligation. Congratulations, you're simulating a relationship with a bank. So fun right? FA heads tell me honestly - who do you spend the majority of your time talking to and what do you talk about? It's not your allies unless you truly have a special relationship. You spend your time trying to make new treaties. Upper gov the same. You spend all your political time and energy trying to do something new. Something new is fun, exciting, as it should be. Yet you simple-minded apes can't connect the cause to the effect. You sign a treaty, you now may get an occasional check-in from that ally. More than likely, you'll get radio silence for awhile because the fun has been had and the honeymoon is over. The thing people fail to understand is that a paperless alliance can also obligate itself to defend another alliance. It's an agreement like any other but it's not announced or celebrated and it comes with risk and opportunity. If you agree to defend someone and don't hear from them again until next year - that agreement may be revisited. Similarly, it opens opportunity for politicking on another level. Backstabs, betrayals, disloyalty, plots... Things we pretend to decry in public but crave in private. Just some early morning thoughts from your friendly neighborhood Pirate. You say a lot of stuff that can make sense. But you lose me with your railing against elitism and paper, respectively. Paper works constricting in the manner you describe only when it is viewed as more than a political tool utilised in pursuit of some mutual agenda. Ideally, when the agendas ceases to overlap, you either part ways or adjust the agendas to alignment again. There must always be an objective. I'd say about 90% fail to do this, and so fall into the trap where they either become stagnant husks dragged around by more politically active players, or they find themselves caught in the crossfire of other people's designs. Or both. With regards to leadership: nations vote with their feet. But moreover, leaders hold only as much power as they are given in these games. Lastly... Democratisation tends to stagnate a Shitton because it comes at the expense of political ambition in these games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua-Corpsman Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 When I had an observational position in the FA of multiple large alliances, I firsthand saw the backroom deals that came out of the blue. That's not news though. I'm just curious about the personal squabbles in PnW that may effect those actions. Personally, if/when I found an alliance, I have a list of people and alliances I will either be hostile towards or friendly towards. Am I the only one who thinks like that, or are my suspicions correct that they are fairly common? 1 hour ago, Roberts said: Do you want PnW to be interesting? DEMOCRATIZE YOURSELVES - No nation should be slave to their alliance. The alliance should answer to the people. Your typical defense is OPSEC, which is laughable. What opsec have we seen in PnW? Every member, gov or otherwise, rushes to gossip about any unfolding event as quickly as they can. Democracy or no. Plans leak, wars spark, and that is thankfully the only thing that drags politics forward through the mire in which we find ourselves. You want more interesting things happening? Tired of the same old leadership? Then democratize and start seeing turnover and new blood. Your members aren't inactive, they're merely disinterested in investing three years of their lives to maybe get promoted into a position that you'll simply steal back when you unretire every three weeks. gov should be elected via some method, especially the top leader. Arrgh, for example, elects the Grand Admiral and then he/she appoints the rest. treaties, wars, and major decisions should not only be a vote but a discussion. On another note, this is a noble but short sighted point of view. Arrgh might be different, in fact I am certain it is, but many alliances are run by veteran players who know the ins and outs of economics and warfare in PnW. Imagine if Joe Schmo 4 days into the game who thinks he is hot shit decides that cities should have bolstered police forces or something like that. I remember I had a mindset like that. No. Democracy in this game should and does work in its purest form. Don't like something? 1 Quote To whom it may concern, I do not represent The Immortals unless explicitly stated (ergo, never.)<--- I hardly use the forums anymore, add me on discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Aqua-Corpsman said: When I had an observational position in the FA of multiple large alliances, I firsthand saw the backroom deals that came out of the blue. That's not news though. I'm just curious about the personal squabbles in PnW that may effect those actions. Personally, if/when I found an alliance, I have a list of people and alliances I will either be hostile towards or friendly towards. Am I the only one who thinks like that, or are my suspicions correct that they are fairly common? I personally like to find an alliance to hate, it makes the game more interesting having that goal to take someone down. Sometimes people give you a reason to, sometimes you gotta make up a reason to do it. Its like you read about great competitors, sometimes they have to make up an imaginary slight in their head to get fired up and destroy the competition. When Grumpy first started it was Test, then it was nuke block, after Nightfall it was CoS and BK, after IQ, it was tough because IQ all rage quit, but TCW stepped up. I am actually a little annoyed right now, because I need to figure out who the new alliance to hate is, i have some options, but I haven't decided yet. On that list, Test, CoS, BK, and TCW gave us a reason, Nuke Bloc, I had to make one up for that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua-Corpsman Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: I am actually a little annoyed right now, because I need to figure out who the new alliance to hate is, i have some options, but I haven't decided yet. *cough* CotL *cough cough* Sorry. Anyways, that makes sense. It would be more enjoyable to actually have emotions against your enemies as opposed to a hollow rivalry. 1 Quote To whom it may concern, I do not represent The Immortals unless explicitly stated (ergo, never.)<--- I hardly use the forums anymore, add me on discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) The world has gone soft, full of ennui and fearful of bold action. Edited February 12, 2021 by Ogaden 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Eh... I read all of it...Every Word! I don't play this game to replicate the Earth. I'm just here to steal some loot, kill imaginary women and children and have a good time. Arrgh! 1 Quote Registered slot thief Buy the ticket, take the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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