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16 minutes ago, Lossi said:

Edit with one additional note: OOC is Out of Character, not Out of Context, as in referring to the person behind the keyboard, not the character they play in the game.

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If any of this were to be implemented, more than 1/3 of the PnW would have to be striken or banned for one reason or another, there is so much shit talking in PnW, everyone is guilty of it, trying to move the moderation of the game to Discord as well, just makes the community less likely to interact with each other, for fear of being reported for making an edgy joke, or having an opinion that is against the norm. If someone has an issue with what is said in a discord server, just leave the server and block the person, doesn't need to be taken any further than that. 

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So I think rule 1 is interesting but, it's hard and needs to be done with care. 

There are things in this game that don't allign with community guidelines that do happen in discord servers. 

What happens if a sever has an NSFW channel. It would go straight agaisnt all pnw guidelines. 

What if a member says [leader of generic alliance] is retarded. Because he thinks this person is a bad leader. 

What if someone makes a suicide joke and thinks it should be reported. 

In short I think this is a tool that allows a lot of power, and it will be used by potty people for generic strikes that Noo-ne wants and there will be so many gray areas it's not even funny. 

 

Point three is interesting and generally not bad. Once again I would be carefull though. Would for example an alliance of only 18+ people be allowed or do you not want this? 

I personally do not know a single alliance in this game that officially has this rule, but I have seen alliances in other games that do. Is this bad or not, would 5his constitute an ooc attack. 

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I have very mixed feelings on this matter.

On the one hand I think there are issues of toxicity in the gaming community that do need resolving. I can't say that I've always been blameless in this regard, Cobalt and Duat did some things/said some things that undoubtedly caused hurt and offence to others. We made comments that were unhelpful to a mutual flourishing of the community as a whole, this I regret. We became Toxic and we hated what we became.

I think the culture of shit-posting/trolling that has been prevalent in the past encourages a race to the bottom, in terms of civility.

What can also be an issue is the demand of acceptance of my views and opinions, without accepting the views and opinions of other people - I wonder if part of the problem here is the mix of age groups, cultural norms and viewpoints. A healthy community is one that can discuss contentious issues, without resorting to insults and petty behaviour. Due to the mix of age groups there is also a range of maturity in the community and that also causes issues, how you deal with that I am not sure - I would suggest maybe a mentoring program, but how you decide who is suitable and who is not would cause a major headache.
 

That said, I am opposed to "policing" of Discord servers. I think it would impinge too much on freedom of expression and such - I am not a fan of censorship. That said, if bad behaviour is occurring, I think there should be a method for anonymous reporting of abuse and such.

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Yeah, no. This just adds room for more controversial moderation decisions.

I don't have an issue with the third rule, but policing discords makes no sense.

For one, it's practically impossible to achieve without a massive moderation team considering the number of discord servers there are for this game, and for two quite frankly neither PnW moderators or Alex have a right (nor do I trust their impartiality) to police other discords simply because their main purpose is related to PnW.

Alex shouldn't have any sort of jurisdiction over private servers made by other people, not to mention that since the man struggles with ingame moderation already, it'd have to be handed over to some form of discord moderators, and unless Alex's willing to shell out more dosh to pay them, they'll probably be from the community, and thus carry the biases that entails and I'm sure everyone can guess just how well that might go.

Toxicity is a community problem, if someone's being a shithead then it's up to the community to call them out on their frickery or if it's an individual issue, to block them. It's not up to Alex or moderators to go 'no toxicity pls' and hand out warnings based on that. There's already far too many tongue-in-cheek reports of people reporting someone based on sarcastic remarks or comments.

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I for 1 understand the game goes to the extreme in terms of toxic and in many many ways tries to destroy people's willpower to continue to play 

Ive been at the end of countless OOC attacks and drama personally I try to avoid such by limiting what servers im on and refraining from reaching out a lot like i used to enjoy to

Their is somethings that im certain will be considered false moderation and is strictly harmful towards communities privacy 

 

I've seen how easy it is to edit someones words and I've seen how easy it is to give half the story instead of the full context of a screenshot 

This will end in bad moderation towards places that people are meant to feel safe in and it invades the entire point behind private discords however I feel less salty about this being a thing in news servers or actual none alliance affiliated servers however not everyone will agree with such 

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So i have tought a bit more.
I think proposal one should only be used in very explicit circumstances.

Let's say I doxx someone, i think that should deserve a moderation strike. 
But if we do rule nr.1, we need to make absolutly sure that it is very limited in scope to a few very specific issues.

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52 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

Hard disagree. Doxxing is such an egregious move that the community should band together across political lines to drive that person from the game. A moderation strike is nowhere near enough.

I agree with you, a ban would be more in place.
But I indeed hope that the community would also band togheter yes. That wouldhowever be against the game rules 😛

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21 minutes ago, emi said:

nаzis spend way too much money on pnw for alex to even consider moderating them properly lmao

And this is where the issue lies smh.

This topic did not mention politics at all. You just had to bring it up.

@Young Guilo This sounds amazing in theory, but in practice mods are going to be weaponized against people. A similar thing happened in NationStates.

I think a moderation of a discord server lies with the moderators present in said discord server.

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2 hours ago, BelgiumFury said:

So i have tought a bit more.
I think proposal one should only be used in very explicit circumstances.

Let's say I doxx someone, i think that should deserve a moderation strike. 
But if we do rule nr.1, we need to make absolutly sure that it is very limited in scope to a few very specific issues.

If you doxx someone you should be outright banned, in terms of OOC that's an immediate and direct risk to their safety. That's not a slap on the wrist kinda thing, that's a smite with hellfire kinda thing 

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Thats gonna be a no from me dawg. I get slapped with a point here for pointing out someones logic in relevance to their opinion on the uses of modern medicine meanwhile there are multiple threads spewing way more toxicity that go hundreds of comments with no closing of the thread. Discord is discord, pnmw forum is the forum. While I understand moderation being stronger on those who are dog piling a certain individual who IMO reaps what they sow, it should be individual discord server moderators to do their job. If a server isnt run right that isnt Alex's fault. There is an in game communication system if you dont like discord.

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I feel like its moreso that the current rules have to be enforced a lot more, though the idea of a more active moderation hand isn't the worst.

Hate speech is already against the rules, but we have nations able to drop homophobic and transphobic insults and only walk away with a warn.  Stuff like that is only going to drive away minority groups from the game, and likely make this even more a 4chan cesspit without community and moderative intervention

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5 hours ago, Thalmor said:

I guess it could be better but this suggestion of letting Alex judge if my 'are traps gay?' question violates game rules is silly. 

Well said. Well said.

The answer is, btw: Not if you are both wearing socks 😛 

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11 minutes ago, Zephyr said:

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This just in, Alex accepts bribes!

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There should be a crossover between the game, the official Discord, and the official forum in some capacity. If someone is banned from any platform for OOC, hate speech, basically any extreme violation of that sort, so should they be banned from the other platforms to root it from the game as much as reasonably possible, since moderating other unofficial servers is too delicate. The punishments for these violations, would also need to be revisited, because a 1/9 warn on the forums for hate speech is frankly not enough.

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