Charles Bolivar Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Sardonic said: And what has their tantrum earned them? They should just do what what was asked and be done with it, or don't, I guess. I'm not seeing how time is going to change any of the incentives involved here. Attempts of claiming forced disbandment are meaningless so long as there is a pathway to peace, no matter how thorny they see it. It's not the gotcha line so many of them seem to think it is. In my view they're doing this to themselves. I would have taken the deal months ago. If I were you, I probably would have taken the deal months ago too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr James Wilson Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, Sardonic said: It beats being starved for entertainment! Do i seem unentertained/non-entertained? Personally, I think I get to enjoy everything the most. Quote The Volleyball Avanti Immortali ..one, two, Jimmy's coming for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 hours ago, ArcKnox said: The shocking thing is that this mealy mouthed bullshit is the best damage control IQ could come up with. Oh hey it's the -literal reason- GOONS entered the war to begin with! How's it going, dude? Still spying people who aren't involved in the war in the slightest and then acting shocked when they don't care for you in logs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Yeeting your spies out of existence was a proportional response to you spying our coalition 4 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Q Listener Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I hear it went really well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, John Q Listener said: I hear it went really well for you. Great actually. We got a bunch of people that we could easily bait into beiges and I got some really nice kamikazes off of that. Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, ArcKnox said: Great actually. We got a bunch of people that we could easily bait into beiges and I got some really nice kamikazes off of that. Yeah it definitely seems to be going wonderful for TGH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancemasterlee Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I got off some attacks while my alliance dies around me!!! farts 2 Quote Specialist in buttes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Astryl Posted December 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ArcKnox said: Great actually. We got a bunch of people that we could easily bait into beiges and I got some really nice kamikazes off of that. I've been successfully goaded into an effort post: It's actually not great, if you care about the political meta at all. GOONS, and specifically DNFJ, didn't want to be involved in the war at all. The whole reason GOONS was founded when it was is because it was believed that peace would be coming relatively soon after. Our plan was to continue to take loans from multiple locations and tier incredibly fast to city fifteen all around. TGH's totally disproportional response to two rogue spy attempts convinced GOONS government to enter the war only after negotiations had broken down. GOONS hit TKR in lieu of TGH because hitting anyone on the Coalition A side meant we were involved full tilt, so we wanted to maximize our usefulness to coalition B. So, yeah, at the start of GOONS entry into the war there were some pretty bad beiges by GOONS members as we were all largely new to the game and still learning the proper war mechanics, since they they have died off dramatically. Instead you've giving a group of players that number close to 200 in total; four months of war experience from the founding of their alliance. GOONS is now a militarily competent alliance, as shown by our blitz on Arrgh, Typhoid, and others; let alone our net damage stats (if you are someone who cares about that). Then it gets better, talks stall, GOONS leadership begins interacting with Coalition B leadership on a higher level instead of talking only to NPO. This creates friendships and war-time allies that eventually lead to the creation of Opus Dei and Drinking Buddies. TKR, Rose, Soup, and a few others were simultaneously trying to court GOONS friendship in the post war world. DNFJ personally wrote Drinking Buddies, Opus Dei, the GOONS TKR declaration (and bait by Roq), as well as created the "In defense of" meme post for hitting Typhoid. So yeah, it's gone very well for you. You've managed to create a group of players in a now hyperactive alliance that are 1. War tested & 2. Playing the game solely for their own bemusement at your "tears" in the form of forum posts and ingame messages. TGH spying on GOONS and not being diplomatic when approached is the reason why Opus Dei, Drinking Buddies, and by extension Apex exist. So congratulations, you've managed to play yourself by ensuring that GOONS actually become a hegemonic power in 2020, a power which you've managed to put yourself on the opposing side of by constantly spewing non-sense like this, instead of speaking to us reasonably. As anyone who has dealt with us, have all seen that we are very reasonable, up to and including @Akuryo, @Princess Adrienne, @Leo the Great, @Kevanovia, and yes, even managed to get along with @Buorhann on a radio show after airing our differences (as members of opposing coalitions usually do). As one of the most reviled players of the game, I can honestly say I don't really give a shit about the opinions regarding the war, the leaks, or anything related to it, as it does not change my position, nor the position of GOONS, or even the peace talks honestly. This whole thread is a side show meant to demoralize Coalition B and help spurn activity and excitement for Coalition A. Edited December 6, 2019 by AppealDenied 3 11 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathy Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 lissen 2 ApplesDeneye he has the gud wurds 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Q Listener Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Wow I'm not reading that essay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathy Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Q Listener said: Wow I'm not reading that essay. yah i didn read eithr. Juss here 2 spport friends 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancemasterlee Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 who is this appealdenied loser 1 2 Quote Specialist in buttes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 @AppealDenied Welcome back DNFJ. To say we ensured a hegemonic control for you is... stretching the blame. Lets remind the audience here a couple of things. First, Roq admitted to trying on persuading GOONS to join the fight. Second, you spied us. Third, you blame BK for the second part (Granted I think it’s a joke considering the later ties obviously). But yeah, keep blaming TGH. Everything so far shown in the logs pretty much show this course would’ve happened one way or another. You’re simply showing that you’re a perfect match for those you “suddenly” befriended. Lets also not forget that you were part of Solar Knights before creating GOONS. So it’s really no surprise how things occurred on your end. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Just now, Buorhann said: @AppealDenied Welcome back DNFJ. To say we ensured a hegemonic control for you is... stretching the blame. Lets remind the audience here a couple of things. First, Roq admitted to trying on persuading GOONS to join the fight. Second, you spied us. Third, you blame BK for the second part (Granted I think it’s a joke considering the later ties obviously). But yeah, keep blaming TGH. Everything so far shown in the logs pretty much show this course would’ve happened one way or another. You’re simply showing that you’re a perfect match for those you “suddenly” befriended. Lets also not forget that you were part of Solar Knights before creating GOONS. So it’s really no surprise how things occurred on your end. I was never a member of Solar Knights. Roq admitted to trying to persuade us, he was not successful. I fully admitted that we spied on you, what the point of contention was was if we were helping Coalition B by doing so, at the time, we were not. I also was not involved in alliance-to-alliance level conversations before the war, so to imply I had some long-standing relationship with anyone besides maybe Roq, which was a passing familiarity at best is deceitful. 4 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshardz Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Buorhann said: @AppealDenied Welcome back DNFJ. To say we ensured a hegemonic control for you is... stretching the blame. Lets remind the audience here a couple of things. First, Roq admitted to trying on persuading GOONS to join the fight. Second, you spied us. Third, you blame BK for the second part (Granted I think it’s a joke considering the later ties obviously). But yeah, keep blaming TGH. Everything so far shown in the logs pretty much show this course would’ve happened one way or another. You’re simply showing that you’re a perfect match for those you “suddenly” befriended. Lets also not forget that you were part of Solar Knights before creating GOONS. So it’s really no surprise how things occurred on your end. Oh my god, someone call the frigging FBI! Someone spied on an unfriendly nation in a game about politics and war, which have never once in the history of man involved espionage! Call the CIA! Call the FSB! Trumpet loud and clear that mans are bad for spying on other mans for the sake of a browser game! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan77 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, dragonshardz said: Oh my god, someone call the frigging FBI! Someone spied on an unfriendly nation in a game about politics and war, which have never once in the history of man involved espionage! Call the CIA! Call the FSB! Trumpet loud and clear that mans are bad for spying on other mans for the sake of a browser game! This may be news to you, as you are new here, but spying actions in this game are commonly considered an act of war, and have been cited in RoHs and DoWs in the past. 2 1 Quote I don't sleep enough Also, I am an Keynesian Utilitarian Lastly, Hello world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 im feeling a little lightheaded from all of this gaslighting 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 8 hours ago, japan77 said: This may be news to you, as you are new here, but spying actions in this game are commonly considered an act of war, and have been cited in RoHs and DoWs in the past. It was an intel op, literally no one in this history of this game has started a war over an intel op before. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 19 hours ago, AppealDenied said: Partisan actually did rescind them. 19 hours ago, Princess Adrienne said: From the announcement where we walked away from talks: If that misunderstanding was part of the concerns from your coalition, hopefully that's cleared up now. 18 hours ago, AppealDenied said: Until the full list of terms are presented and you all immediately dump them publicly as you are want to do; as partisan has shown. We've had a few pretty good private talks. Those weren't dumped because you haven't lied. Again: Action, reaction. When we're approached in good faith, we're going to be much more conciliatory as we've shown time and time again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 14 hours ago, japan77 said: This may be news to you, as you are new here, but spying actions in this game are commonly considered an act of war, and have been cited in RoHs and DoWs in the past. No, that's incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roq Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, AppealDenied said: So congratulations, you've managed to play yourself by ensuring that GOONS actually become a hegemonic power in 2020, a power which you've managed to put yourself on the opposing side of by constantly spewing non-sense like this, instead of speaking to us reasonably. As anyone who has dealt with us, have all seen that we are very reasonable, up to and including @Akuryo, @Princess Adrienne, @Leo the Great, @Kevanovia, and yes, even managed to get along with @Buorhann on a radio show after airing our differences (as members of opposing coalitions usually do). Does our time together meant nothing to you? ;( I'm offended... Edited December 7, 2019 by CitrusK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 23 hours ago, Dr James Wilson said: Lol, yea, cause you got such big balls bandwagoning into the winning coalition. And no need to apologize for posting before thinking. It's a goons tradition. If it was decided, they would have already surrendered when relatively lenient options were available. This situation is the product of the attrition strategy they practiced and now they complain when their tactics haven't gone super well for them. You can't be ultra antagonistic(beyond arguing normally) and refuse to surrender on the basis of being able to outlast the other side for months and not expect that to affect the attitudes of the people you're fighting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 15 hours ago, japan77 said: This may be news to you, as you are new here, but spying actions in this game are commonly considered an act of war, and have been cited in RoHs and DoWs in the past. oh shit we're new here what are we doing oh god why is my air force decimating this person oh god Please don't assume we're dumb, japan77. Attempting to be condescending about how long we've been in this game is hilarious. We joined because we already know what we're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr James Wilson Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Roquentin said: If it was decided, they would have already surrendered when relatively lenient options were available. This situation is the product of the attrition strategy they practiced and now they complain when their tactics haven't gone super well for them. You can't be ultra antagonistic(beyond arguing normally) and refuse to surrender on the basis of being able to outlast the other side for months and not expect that to affect the attitudes of the people you're fighting. You know, I had a good chuckle there, I could have swore you started off your post with "if it was decided" as if the outcome of the war hasn't been known since long before Goons entered. But that can't be, I either misread or you miss typed. And that seems like a lot of words to claim it isn't a bandwagon because it's an "attrition" war. Which, doesn't make any sense, but ok. Quote The Volleyball Avanti Immortali ..one, two, Jimmy's coming for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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