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16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

it doesnt specifically cover semi-automated and lower.  

What about full semi-auto trade bots? Think of the monetary value, you monster!

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29 minutes ago, Vladamir Putin said:

A simple solution that I'd implement is to put a "safe trade" option in the account settings. 

When it's on, making a trade offer that's buys an offer for more than 200% of the average market of the value will result in a box popping up asking ”ARE YOU SURE DUDE????"

Same with selling something, except if it's 50% or less of the average price.

This way, those who keep making trading mistakes have the option of giving themselves a safety net, those who pay attention can spend 5 seconds turning it off like it's confetti, and most trade mistakes should be prevented.

 

Edit: You could also make the ranges at which the safe trade is set at adjustable for the user

If you’re a new nation, something like this is automatically in effect. (Or it just won’t let you post offers to far off from the market value)

Letting older nations who need it choose to activate or reactivate that setting makes sense.

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Could always just embargo the alliances you don't like. Embargo me also

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On 1/12/2019 at 10:21 AM, Tiberius said:

Historically TKR members have refused to repay them back from my personal experience and I know I am not the only one to have experienced that. I would appreciate it if you could do that, thank you.

Historically, TKR members have a generally bad opinion of IQ. Our rule for them is to return trades at their own discretion. Put those 2 together and you'll quickly get to a conclusion. I hope you do not take our policy personally. I am sure if you message them and politely ask, they'll return your mistrade 9 out of 10 times (Unless it's Blackie, in that case god help you).

Good luck on all future trading, make that $$$ ❤️ 

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We've talked about this already. PnW administration is refusing to enforce rules on trading errors.

 

In this regard, you have two options.

 

-1. Run your own trade bot. Given the Roqbot propaganda, I'm sure NPO would be more efficient than TKR in abusing trading errors.

-2. Beat the shit out of TKR until they stop using the Kosonome script.

 

It seems as though you've decided to resort to option 2. You're dealing between 250-500mn to the enemy coalition per day, when the opfor has an estimated warchest of at least 60 bn. You can wait another 30-240 days until the opfor warchest is depleted beyond tolerance and they're relying entirely on the Kosonome script to fund their war efforts.

 

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From a military perspective, I'd actually be surprised if NPO doesn't have a tradebot in reserve by now. You definitely have the coding chops needed to set one up; and considering that Kosonome scripting is one of the reasons the peace talks have jammed up, being able to make option 1 a threat to enforce a ban on trading bots is not a bad idea.

 

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The third option is to create a fully-automated trading bot that's technically against the rules, but is set up to "jam" Kosonome scripting by beating it to the punch, then returning resources to its sender. While technically against the rules, this is in good faith (i.e, it prevents behavior you personally find offensive), and if you ask the administration for permission to operate it, it might be granted. Hell, you could even get it to mirror HFT by setting up "Kosojammer" in the same datacenter where PnW is hosted and running it from there.

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People really shouldn't make suggestions based on stopping something that's just happened to them that they don't like.  They are nearly always bad.  Suggestions should be offered impartially and apolitically for the good of the game.

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53 minutes ago, Azaghul said:

People really shouldn't make suggestions based on stopping something that's just happened to them that they don't like.  They are nearly always bad.  Suggestions should be offered impartially and apolitically for the good of the game.

How much are you guys really making from tradebots? I can't believe how irrational you guys get off it.

 

The logic is clear, everyone makes trading mistakes once in a while. This happens proportionately more often with newer players and newer alliances, so this is a penalty imposed on newbies. I've been told IQ can whip a faster tradebot up in less than a week, so their abstaining from tradebotting is voluntary.

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3 hours ago, Inst said:

How much are you guys really making from tradebots? I can't believe how irrational you guys get off it.

 

The logic is clear, everyone makes trading mistakes once in a while. This happens proportionately more often with newer players and newer alliances, so this is a penalty imposed on newbies. I've been told IQ can whip a faster tradebot up in less than a week, so their abstaining from tradebotting is voluntary.

I haven't paid any attention to it in ages so I really don't know.  In any case a mistrade could also be caught by someone just looking at the market normally, and it would have the same result as if someone caught it because of a bot.  Does IQ abstain from that as well and enforce that abstinence on their membership?

 

It's really no different than many of the bots people, including IQ, are using for wars.  The difference is we don't whine about it.

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The political issue seems to be over a voluntary ban on trade scalping bots IQ is operating.

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The real question is: if you ban the bot how do you know if no one is using it? Because it's very likely that the mistrade can be catched without using a bot

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20 minutes ago, Micchan said:

The real question is: if you ban the bot how do you know if no one is using it? Because it's very likely that the mistrade can be catched without using a bot

According to Scarf's experiment, less likely than you think.

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Probably in the minority here but ehhhh. Like I understand how frustrating it can be to make mistakes like this but like I can't help but come to the conclusion of "its sucks to suck". If you make this mistake and Im sure it was a mistake then oh well. If some others are dedicated to picking up on others frick-ups then so be it. Bots that alert of mis-trades to me are fair game, ones that auto-accept aren't. Like I mean life is full of frick-ups but there's usually no redo button and its human nature for others to take advantage of another persons mistake. Like the only solution is to second check your trades before submitting them, if you don't and this happens then sucks to suck. I've had this done many times and I just accepted the fact that maybe I deserved it for doing an oppsie, sure I'd love to have a redo but life is not like that... 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Inst said:

the opfor has an estimated warchest of at least 60 bn.

Jesus. I remember back when Bloc Party had an estimated warchest of 6 mil and we thought it was a ton. That was back before alliance banks were a thing, so coordinating it was a hassle (especially due to Bloc players being Bloc heads).

23 hours ago, Inst said:

-a long post-

My thoughts:

Is the bot really making enough for it to be a major issue, or is it outrage from a very small amount of people who get pissed off at a loss of resources? If it's the latter, why wouldn't TKR come out and announce they get a very small amount per week from it as damage control? If it's the former, why wouldn't NPO or any of TKR's opponents either run a script to at least compete with them in the resource market, hoping it makes a dent in their WC or use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations (assuming they aren't already)?

From TKR's perspective: How will TKR respond to this, if the issue isn't forgotten in a few weeks? More particularly, how does TKR prevent a trade-bot war? If TKR can't prevent a trade-bot war, how do they "win" it? If they can't win it, how do they ensure their trade advantage survive? If their trade advantage doesn't survive, what other advantage do they aim for?

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20 hours ago, Micchan said:

The real question is: if you ban the bot how do you know if no one is using it? Because it's very likely that the mistrade can be catched without using a bot

You can do it without having a bot by simply having API analytics pick up on tradebot operation by detecting fast scalping. This isn't the same as operating a bot, of course, because it's not doing the same thing your Kosonome script is doing.

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On 1/15/2019 at 12:12 AM, The Mad Titan said:

It sucks but won’t be a problem for much longer @Tiberius

But if the bot is gone, who will IQ blame when they screw their trades up?

Cause we both know its never IQ's fault when something bad happens to one of them.

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