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Deeply saddening... We must put a stop to Communism before Communism puts a stop to us(sane, caring individuals)!

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Congrats Stratagem, looking forward to another strong leftist alliance

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I don't like the image having a Stalin face on top of it. That is all.

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9 hours ago, ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ said:

Will Queen Stalin ever stop? 

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Doubtful 😊

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Young male attempts to escape...

Stop assuming his gender!

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>Ancom colours

>Stalin

>SJWs

what is this, a crossover episode??

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Well, at least the irrelevant The Communist International is no more. When’s the last time they actually did anything news-worthy?

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Me normally:

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Me after the TCI merge and SGM goes full commie:

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Wonder if the communists will kill half of the alliance and then destroy their infra in the name of the revolution

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So Queen M is okay with Communism but against Nazism? 

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Fake news through and through.

Where did Shitty, I mean Shifty get this info?

I founded the Communist International. I would know.

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2 hours ago, Kastor said:

So Queen M is okay with Communism but against Nazism? 

"The victims include 200,000 killed during the Red Terror (1918-22); 11 million dead from famine and dekulakization; 700,000 executed during the Great Terror (1937-38); 400,000 more executed between 1929 and 1953; 1.6 million dead during forced population transfers; and a minimum 2.7 million dead in the Gulag, labor colonies and special settlements.

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners released during World War II into Red Army penal battalions, where they faced almost certain death; the partisans and civilians killed in the postwar revolts against Soviet rule in Ukraine and the Baltics; and dying Gulag inmates freed so that their deaths would not count in official statistics.

If we add to this list the deaths caused by communist regimes that the Soviet Union created and supported—including those in Eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia—the total number of victims is closer to 100 million. That makes communism the greatest catastrophe in human history."

Quoted from https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810

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15 hours ago, Kastor said:

So Queen M is okay with Communism but against Nazism? 

I mean, everyone should be. They're basically opposites.

13 hours ago, Arkiri Arch said:

"The victims include 200,000 killed during the Red Terror (1918-22); 11 million dead from famine and dekulakization; 700,000 executed during the Great Terror (1937-38); 400,000 more executed between 1929 and 1953; 1.6 million dead during forced population transfers; and a minimum 2.7 million dead in the Gulag, labor colonies and special settlements.

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners released during World War II into Red Army penal battalions, where they faced almost certain death; the partisans and civilians killed in the postwar revolts against Soviet rule in Ukraine and the Baltics; and dying Gulag inmates freed so that their deaths would not count in official statistics.

If we add to this list the deaths caused by communist regimes that the Soviet Union created and supported—including those in Eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia—the total number of victims is closer to 100 million. That makes communism the greatest catastrophe in human history."

Quoted from https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810

I consider myself to be a communist and I find the Red Terror, the purges and the gulags to be wholly reprehensible acts of state terror against its populace. The Soviet Union was authoritarian, state capitalist and imperialist. It should never have existed, at least not in the shape and form it took and it deserves condemnation. The fact of the matter is that there are many different types of communism and a big problem on the left is that people constantly disagree with each other over what the correct path to follow is. The only type of communists who are firm in their support of Stalin and the Soviet Union are Marxist-Leninists (aka tankies). So while your criticism is valid of communists that support the USSR and its leaders, like tankies, it's inaccurate and invalid if used against literally every other type of communist (and against communists as a single group).

Then there's the fact that just because a country's state is run by a communist party doesn't mean the country said state governs is a stateless, moneyless and classless society (which are the key aspects of communism). I'm pretty sure that should be obvious but I guess a lot of people don't care for simple rationality. Countries with states run by communist parties are supposed to work towards eventually achieving a society that fulfills the criteria of a communist society but a lot of the time they're full of shit and they don't do what they're supposed to (which is why states shouldn't be trusted). So, while I agree that the deaths you are referring to was the result of corrupted communist parties' actions, they were not a result of a communist society. I know it's way easier to just say "commies killed over 9000 people!11!" but unfortunately for some, the world isn't that simple.

Finally, the death count of communist parties is insignificant in comparison to the death count of capitalism. Based on UNICEF statistics, somewhere between 21 000 and 29 000 children die every day. If we go by 21 000, that's 14 children dead every minute or just below 7.6 million dead every year, starting from 1990 (and living standards weren't better before 1990). 1990 is 28 years ago so if we do 7.6 million times 28, we get just above 212 million dead children. Capitalism became the dominant economic system at the end of the 18th century, so about 200 years ago. There's too many things to factor in for me to bother doing the work to come up with an accurate figure, but I think we can safely assume that if 7.6 million children died in 1990, many more have died during the last 200 years of capitalism. And you know, I'm not even counting adult deaths. The worst part is that a lot of these deaths could be prevented by something as simple as having access to clean water. So, while you may feel like 100 million dead is a substantial amount (and it is, relatively speaking), that's basically the equivalent of 13 years of capitalism. I don't know about you, but that speaks volumes to me about what the greater evil is.

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Strange argument, blaming deaths caused by overpopulation and low intelligence populations on Capitalism. 

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1 minute ago, Lightning said:

Strange argument, blaming deaths caused by overpopulation and low intelligence populations on Capitalism. 

If you really believe that children are dying from starvation, dehydration, poverty and preventable disease because they and the people around them have low intelligence or because of overpopulation, you're the one with low intelligence.

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16 minutes ago, Big Brother said:

If you really believe that children are dying from starvation, dehydration, poverty and preventable disease because they and the people around them have low intelligence or because of overpopulation, you're the one with low intelligence.

Overpopulation causes more poverty, you'd be richer if you have 3 children instead of 6 or 7 and your country would be better off too. The country would have an easier time making productive citizens out of them 3 kids. The country would have a lower population density and better farmers to produce crops. Can't really help the low intelligence problem as low intelligence causes such overpopulation and continued out of control population growth. The people are probably lazy too. 

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19 hours ago, Thalmor said:

Me normally:

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Me after the TCI merge and SGM goes full commie:

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Valid CB, @durmij?

 

 

@Kastor Stop coonin’. We already swapped you in the Draft, boy.

Edited by Queen M
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13 minutes ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

Wait, are you trying to admit your new alliance is communist?

LOLOLOLIOLOLOLOLOL....

If any of you took 2 minutes out of your days to actually read (or even knew the slightest bit about me), you’d know that answer to be No.

However, I am pleased as punch to watch you guys work yourselves up over nothing and make asses out of yourselves again. Please continue. Don’t know if my head can get much bigger with your attention on me and what I’m doing. Keep it up. It’s super flattering 😊

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1 hour ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

Are you trying to imply that communism worked out in African nations? Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Congo, Angola, and the others don’t look too good to me. 

Read the middle paragraph of my post above, you'll see that I have addressed this. To summarize, communism hasn't "worked out" anywhere, because there have been no societies that fulfilled the criteria that determines what communist society actually is. A country (and a state) being run by a communist party is not a communist society. In fact, it's a complete oxymoron. You don't create a stateless society by creating a socialist or communist state.

And if anyone is suffering from capitalism, it's places like the ones you mentioned. Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for most of the deaths I detailed earlier, followed by Southeast Asia. So no, communism hasn't worked in African nations, but only because the conditions of such a society have never been reached by any state on this planet. What we can say with some certainty is that they all follow the capitalist mode of production and that they all suffer enormously for doing so.

1 hour ago, Lightning said:

Overpopulation causes more poverty, you'd be richer if you have 3 children instead of 6 or 7 and your country would be better off too. The country would have an easier time making productive citizens out of them 3 kids. The country would have a lower population density and better farmers to produce crops. Can't really help the low intelligence problem as low intelligence causes such overpopulation and continued out of control population growth. The people are probably lazy too. 


First of all, human civilization already possesses more than enough productive forces to end world hunger. But, just giving away food to everyone that needs it isn't profitable and so it doesn't happen. In fact, our societies throw away massive amounts of food every single day, while people are starving to death. These are preventable deaths that could be solved, but unfortunately a lot of people are more interested in filling their own pockets instead of actually helping their fellow human beings.

Also, everyone that is starving to death, dying of disease, malnutrition and lack of basic necessities are lazy and less intelligent? You're a god damn joke man. Get over your elitist arrogance. Do you have any idea what complete shithead of a fool you make yourself look like when say stuff like that? You're not convincing anyone of anything but the fact that you have no empathy for your fellow humans and that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. This is why most people don't engage you, because with you it seemingly always boils down to you saying that if people aren't succeeding, they're either lazy or stupid, which is a gross over-simplification of the systemic issues that prevent people from attaining decent living standards. You suck dude.

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1 hour ago, Queen M said:

Valid CB, @durmij?

 

 

@Kastor Stop coonin’. We already swapped you in the Draft, boy.

Better watch your mouth. We aren’t scared of Guardian and Fark is disbanding. You and your friends have been some slight work so keep talking reckless and I’ll have you handled.

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