Radoje Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Listen to the Belkare-bek. Whatever that means lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I'm curious if Sheepy looks at each alliance's stockpile of resources to determine things. After 9+ months of just sitting there (Some alliances way longer than that), I'm curious as to how many alliances have millions of resources stockpiled away. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Me Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Them said: I think the real question is as to how a student in one of the best econ programs in the US didn't see this coming. That's easy: 1) Thinks answering messages is playing the game. 2) Thinks the server is down when it is still running. 3) Makes war mechanic changes in the middle of a major war. 4) Freezes war declarations right before a major war but doesn't freeze spy ops and thinks it's OK. And so on... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Akuryo Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buorhann said: I'm curious if Sheepy looks at each alliance's stockpile of resources to determine things. After 9+ months of just sitting there (Some alliances way longer than that), I'm curious as to how many alliances have millions of resources stockpiled away. millions across all resources or millions of each individual resource? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Angel Akuryo said: millions across all resources or millions of each individual resource? Each individual resource. Don't get me wrong, I agree 100% with Sketchy. I'm just curious if he looks at the current amount in the world and how it's dispersed, then decides to make changes to balance it out that way. Edited March 3, 2018 by Buorhann Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Akuryo Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, Buorhann said: Each individual resource. Uh.... I unno, maybe NPO with it's 100/100 taxes? I could kinda believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Angel Akuryo said: Uh.... I unno, maybe NPO with it's 100/100 taxes? I could kinda believe that. Well, raiders get a dialog of how much loot they got and how much that is proportionately to the alliance bank they looted it from. This paints us a picture of hundreds of thousands of each individual resource accessible in direct banks for most large alliances. Considering banks can be and are hidden in individual nations or much more difficult to raid alliances, the sum total of resources accessible to alliances and especially blocs should be an awful lot higher. Sometimes it is millions, sometimes it's only thousands in the case of micros. If you look at a raiders' bank history, then you'll actually see how much they looted from the enemy alliance's bank along with a note saying how much of their bank it is, and when that beige happened. Scrape the Arrgh admiralty's bank history and you'll see decent bank stats for an awful lot of alliances. Ironically, if one checks NPO, they've got very little in their bank according to raid stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Akuryo Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Well, raiders get a dialog of how much loot they got and how much that is proportionately to the alliance bank they looted it from. This paints us a picture of hundreds of thousands of each individual resource accessible in direct banks for most large alliances. Considering banks can be and are hidden in individual nations or much more difficult to raid alliances, the sum total of resources accessible to alliances and especially blocs should be an awful lot higher. Sometimes it is millions, sometimes it's only thousands in the case of micros. If you look at a raiders' bank history, then you'll actually see how much they looted from the enemy alliance's bank along with a note saying how much of their bank it is, and when that beige happened. Scrape the Arrgh admiralty's bank history and you'll see decent bank stats for an awful lot of alliances. Ironically, if one checks NPO, they've got very little in their bank according to raid stats. Huh. Well, i know exactly how much Pantheon has, so thats really the only yardstick i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Angel Akuryo said: Huh. Well, i know exactly how much Pantheon has, so thats really the only yardstick i have. Well, what I'm saying is that you can do the following: 1. Look at an alliance's war page, then look to see which wars they've lost 2. Look at the winning nation's bank stats page 3. Look for a withdrawal from the bank of the alliance that they raided and there you'll find the information about how much they looted and how much that is compared to that alliances' total bank. This is all public information, so theoretically you can find information about any alliance's bank if they've had a member beiged in the last 30 days. Actually, looking into it a bit closer, the bank statistics in raider nations are held for a lot longer than that. For example, according to my records, on 12/29/2017 03:26 am game time, Pantheon had: $869,580,000 242500 food 5000 oil 2500 uranium 10000 gas 7500 munitions 10000 steel 5000 aluminum in your direct alliance bank, with a margin of error of at least 1250 per resource and possibly over $144 million money. So, uh, not THAT accurate and certainly not recent (this raid happened 3 months ago), but it's a ballpark. I couldn't find any records from within the last 30 days, so good job there. Edited March 3, 2018 by Sir Scarfalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Akuryo Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Well, what I'm saying is that you can do the following: 1. Look at an alliance's war page, then look to see which wars they've lost 2. Look at the winning nation's bank stats page 3. Look for a withdrawal from the bank of the alliance that they raided and there you'll find the information about how much they looted and how much that is compared to that alliances' total bank. This is all public information, so theoretically you can find information about any alliance's bank if they've had a member beiged in the last 30 days. Actually, looking into it a bit closer, the bank statistics in raider nations are held for a lot longer than that. For example, according to my records, on 12/29/2017 03:26 am game time, Pantheon had: $869,580,000 242500 food 5000 oil 2500 uranium 10000 gas 7500 munitions 10000 steel 5000 aluminum in your direct alliance bank, with a margin of error of at least 1250 per resource and possibly over $144 million money. So, uh, not THAT accurate and certainly not recent (this raid happened 3 months ago), but it's a ballpark. I couldn't find any records from within the last 30 days, so good job there. Yeah, we've been staying up on that, and i can tell you that most of those currently arent even remotely in the same galaxy, actually im surprised to see them so low given what it is now XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Queen M II Posted March 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2018 I would love to see what this game would be like if @Sketchywas the admin for 6 months...anyone else? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dio Brando Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Queen M said: I would love to see what this game would be like if @Sketchywas the admin for 6 months...anyone else? It's called paradise. I think some dusty old books written centuries ago mentioned it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Pirates do not buy resources. Neither do we build commerce. We have no problem with anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rache Olderen Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I have to agree to this entirely. Not much else to say besides that to be honest, you laid out about anything one could say about this update rather well. 3 Quote 2nd, 4th, and 6th Adelphotes Princeps of Cornerstone, Ambassador to Black Knights, 4th Grand Pilus of Cornerstone, 2nd Chaplain of Cornerstone, 5th Questor Princeps of Cornerstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 43 minutes ago, TheShadow said: Pirates do not buy resources. Neither do we build commerce. We have no problem with anything. True, but where would pirates be without the marks to loot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rache Olderen Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Well this has managed to get Rose's leader, an IQ leader and various IQ gov members, Micchan (who is clearly the voice of TKR ), TCW's head of defense, Keegoz, Durmij, Acadia's leader, House Stark's Hand, and Polaris' Minister of Love to support it among quite a few others. I dare say that and combined with all the likes must make this one of the most broadly supported proposals I have seen in PnW. Edited March 3, 2018 by Rache Olderen 1 Quote 2nd, 4th, and 6th Adelphotes Princeps of Cornerstone, Ambassador to Black Knights, 4th Grand Pilus of Cornerstone, 2nd Chaplain of Cornerstone, 5th Questor Princeps of Cornerstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codonian Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I fully agree with Sketchy's post, Imo the commerce update has been one of the worse since you replaced colour bonuses with shitty treasures 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamea Arano Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Queen M said: I would love to see what this game would be like if @Sketchywas the admin for 6 months...anyone else? @Sketchy for Admin 2018. Quote Terms of Service | Wiki | Contact Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Rache Olderen said: Well this has managed to get Rose's leader, an IQ leader and various IQ gov members, Micchan (who is clearly the voice of TKR ), TCW's head of defense, Keegoz, Durmij, Acadia's leader, House Stark's Hand, and Polaris' Minister of Love to support it among quite a few others. I dare say that and combined with all the likes must make this one of the most broadly supported proposals I have seen in PnW. Well if you read back I happened to say the game was fine so.......instead of complaining about the game how about you adjust play style to fit the game parameters? Enough Intelligent people here in enough gov positions to make the adjustment. I mean if you admit to not being smart enough to play the game as the game is than that is a different thread. I recommend playing cops and robbers with force fields 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shiho Nishizumi Posted March 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, Apeman said: Well if you read back I happened to say the game was fine so.......instead of complaining about the game how about you adjust play style to fit the game parameters? Enough Intelligent people here in enough gov positions to make the adjustment. I mean if you admit to not being smart enough to play the game as the game is than that is a different thread. I recommend playing cops and robbers with force fields You barely play the game other than for filling embargoes and building nukes, so what do you know about the effect the changes have had for actual active players? 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted March 3, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said: You barely play the game other than for filling embargoes and building nukes, so what do you know about the effect the changes have had for actual active players? 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post durmij Posted March 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Apeman said: Well if you read back I happened to say the game was fine so.......instead of complaining about the game how about you adjust play style to fit the game parameters? Enough Intelligent people here in enough gov positions to make the adjustment. I mean if you admit to not being smart enough to play the game as the game is than that is a different thread. I recommend playing cops and robbers with force fields Sketchy's argument was based on a broadview of the economy of the entire game. It's a system analysis. You simply can't argue against it from a standpoint of "individual responsibility". A technically playable game and a healthy game state are two entirely different things. 9 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codonian Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said: You barely play the game other than for filling embargoes and building nukes, so what do you know about the effect the changes have had for actual active players? Apparently quite a lot considering he has close to 90 likes on his post from players the 2 major sides of the game. Edited March 3, 2018 by Codonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeman Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Your down votes and hate just ring my point home. Thanks 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiho Nishizumi Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, Codonian said: Apparently quite a lot considering he has close to 90 likes on his post from the 2 major sides of the game. I agreed with Sketchy's statement though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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