Rose, are you going to let DEIC hit Alpha by ghosting on UPN or will you do something about it?

[Sargun]

 

 

This includes the #1 and #6 nations in the game, DEIC's biggest nations.

 

Also noted is the #6 nation in the game having such a nation bio as: "I dont like roses.. Roses are shit..." and "WE ARE LOYAL DESTRUCTIVE NATIONS.. " -- I didn't know loyalty extended to leaving your alliance to ghost on another one in order to hit someone without triggering a treaty, a treaty held by an alliance called 'Rose'.

 

Hmm.  Interesting.

 

My question is, Rose - are you going to hold DEIC accountable for blatantly trying to get around the Rose-Alpha treaty by sending their members to ghost on UPN?

 

Remember, this is a DEIC that betrayed their existing treaty partners to enter into a war that they were completely underprepared for.  This is a DEIC that, knowing you have a treaty with Alpha, are willingly circumventing it via ghosting.  Are you going to let this slide so you can break ties and partner with DEIC in the future, despite them showing time and time again that they refuse to treat their allies with respect?  Hell, they're already trying to take advantage of you.

 

So, I repeat - are you going to hold them accountable, or are you going to give up honor for the prestige of an 'alliance' with DEIC?

Edited October 20, 2015 by Sargun

[Saturninus]

[Ekejen Luish]

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[Ivan]

Rose are you going to let Sargun lecture to you about what your alliance should do? Are you? Are you?

 

Sargun, did you calling out Rose to do something require an OWF post?

[Lordship]

So they were unprepared by having low manufactured resources, lack of war experience, lack of understanding the war mechanics, AND they circumvent treaties by ghosting UPN?

 

DEIC has literally a list of things we'd classify under the word "Incompetent"

 

 

Rose are you going to let Sargun lecture to you about what your alliance should do? Are you? Are you?

 

Sargun, did you calling out Rose to do something require an OWF post?

 

Who are you to decide what requires an OWF post? Also, lecture? We're simply pointing out something that should not go unseen.

[Sargun]

Rose are you going to let Sargun lecture to you about what your alliance should do? Are you? Are you?

 

Sargun, did you calling out Rose to do something require an OWF post?

 

Ah, the old, "if it doesn't benefit me or my alliance it shouldn't be talked about" routine.

 

Be quiet, adults are talking.

[TheNG]

 

 

 

 

 

[Caillou]

Pathetic attempts to force my hand by posting these on OWF do nothing but make me want less to do with you and your allies. If you have an interest in working with me then I'm always on IRC and there is always space in my inbox. 

 

Do keep in mind that alpha declared on UPN first and the counter is a result of their aggressive action. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I would advise you quit this facade that you are on an entirely altruistic side; everyone has their faults. I have respect for several people on both sides of the war, actions like this do nothing but tarnish the name and reputability of those individuals. I recognize that this event has happened, if you have an actual message that you want me to take seriously then contact me in private. 

[Phiney]

Pathetic attempts to force my hand by posting these on OWF do nothing but make me want less to do with you and your allies. If you have an interest in working with me then I'm always on IRC and there is always space in my inbox. 

 

Do keep in mind that alpha declared on UPN first and the counter is a result of their aggressive action. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I would advise you quit this facade that you are on an entirely altruistic side; everyone has their faults. I have respect for several people on both sides of the war, actions like this do nothing but tarnish the name and reputability of those individuals. I recognize that this event has happened, if you have an actual message that you want me to take seriously then contact me in private. 

 

who are you and what did you do with pubstomper

[Sargun]

Pathetic attempts to force my hand by posting these on OWF do nothing but make me want less to do with you and your allies. If you have an interest in working with me then I'm always on IRC and there is always space in my inbox. 

 

Do keep in mind that alpha declared on UPN first and the counter is a result of their aggressive action. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I would advise you quit this facade that you are on an entirely altruistic side; everyone has their faults. I have respect for several people on both sides of the war, actions like this do nothing but tarnish the name and reputability of those individuals. I recognize that this event has happened, if you have an actual message that you want me to take seriously then contact me in private. 

 

I don't contact people in private for important things, because then anyone can edit or fake logs and nobody's truth will ever come out.  Too many conflicts have been started from false logs, lies, and log denials.  It has nothing to do with you - I simply choose to do my business out in the open.

 

I'm not trying to force your hand into anything - and you're mistaken if you think this has to do with me or my allies.  This is not posted on behalf of my alliance or anyone else; this was entirely my action alone.  I simply think that there's something to be said about public statements, and something to be said about an alliance who will only talk in private.

 

Thank you for your non-answer answer.  I think that took less balls than actually addressing the question.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Sargun

[Clarke]

No one asked them to join UPN.

And if we were promoting ghosting it would be in a higher number than just 2 nations.

[Ayayay]

ITT TKR pissing off Rose

[Phiney]

No one asked them to join UPN.

And if we were promoting ghosting it would be in a higher number than just 2 nations.

 

Are you saying you're not confident rose WON'T come in because of this? Because that's what it sounds like, excuses.

[Pfeiffer]

Rose won't do shit, it's Rose. Maybe an Emperor or four from now they'll sack up.

[Sargun]

No one asked them to join UPN.

And if we were promoting ghosting it would be in a higher number than just 2 nations.

 

Of course not.  It's only a coincidence your most powerful nations (and possibly your only competent ones) switch to UPN to hit Alpha while the rest of your alliance gets completely hammered to the ground.  Duh.

[Prefonteen]

Sargun, you know I love you but at best, you're going to end up achieving nothing with this. At worst, you simply piss off Rose. Let's uhh... not. Rose will decide what Rose will decide. There is no need whatsoever to shitpost them on the OWF.

 

Pathetic attempts to force my hand by posting these on OWF do nothing but make me want less to do with you and your allies. If you have an interest in working with me then I'm always on IRC and there is always space in my inbox. 

 

Do keep in mind that alpha declared on UPN first and the counter is a result of their aggressive action. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I would advise you quit this facade that you are on an entirely altruistic side; everyone has their faults. I have respect for several people on both sides of the war, actions like this do nothing but tarnish the name and reputability of those individuals. I recognize that this event has happened, if you have an actual message that you want me to take seriously then contact me in private. 

 

Fair enough. You're cute when you're authoritarian.

[Sargun]

Sargun, you know I love you but at best, you're going to end up achieving nothing with this. At worst, you simply piss off Rose. Let's uhh... not. Rose will decide what Rose will decide. There is no need whatsoever to shitpost them on the OWF.

 

My friend, a shitpost a day keeps the allies away.

[Prefonteen]

My friend, a shitpost a day keeps the allies away.

 

A muzzle a day keeps Sargun away.

[James II]

This is a private matter between Alpha and Rose and will be resolved as such per RAT PACT. We appreciate your concern, however, we do not need any assistance in handling private alliance affairs.

[Sargun]

This is a private matter between Alpha and Rose and will be resolved as such per RAT PACT. We appreciate your concern, however, we do not need any assistance in handling private alliance affairs.

 

See, I've not been around long enough to know what a "rat pact" is; I generally don't know much about what the political sphere is (nor do I care how I look), I just call shit out when I see it.

 

But if it's all good with you, then it's all good with me.  Good luck handling it.  I'm out!

Edited October 20, 2015 by Sargun

[donsberger]

http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7876-rat-pact/

[Placentica]

This isn't helpful. 

 

I live for this guys.  I'm not a pixel hugger.  I love war.  I have 15 nukes for this reason.  I'm in touch with Rose and I'm very comfortable with our relationship and I don't feel the need to explain myself further on that.  The truth is VE and Rose are in difficult situation here, much like Alpha was last war.  I don't wish that on anyone.

 

Did I mention I love war and to drop my nuclear load.  All over the place.  Really I do.

[Dark Specter]

This isn't helpful. 

 

I live for this guys.  I'm not a pixel hugger.  I love war.  I have 15 nukes for this reason.  I'm in touch with Rose and I'm very comfortable with our relationship and I don't feel the need to explain myself further on that.  The truth is VE and Rose are in difficult situation here, much like Alpha was last war.  I don't wish that on anyone.

 

Did I mention I love war and to drop my nuclear load.  All over the place.  Really I do.

Looks like you will be dropping quite a load........ See to it that it is very very very hot!!!!!!!!

[Filthy Fifths]

No one asked them to join UPN.

And if we were promoting ghosting it would be in a higher number than just 2 nations.

Nobody asked you to warslot fill either but shit happens

[Clarke]

Are you saying you're not confident rose WON'T come in because of this? Because that's what it sounds like, excuses.

 

Of course not.  It's only a coincidence your most powerful nations (and possibly your only competent ones) switch to UPN to hit Alpha while the rest of your alliance gets completely hammered to the ground.  Duh.

 

Our ally got attacked which has numerous ex-members in the alliance, some people have loyalty beyond alliance relationships.