I can respect what alataq just said, all I wanted to clear up was that they made their own decisions. The entire time I was active in rose gov I never tried to force anything on them.
Honestly I don't know why this is a debate, Mensa is basically an alliance made up of everyone who mattered from another game like this. It would be like taking all the best players from this community, going to another game, and creating a group with that crowd.