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24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Keep wearing that circle jerk lipstick with pride. I'm sure it will wear off over the next few months.

Man, my mouth is getting dry from all this salt. Good thing it's raining so much today; I'm gonna need some water.

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4 hours ago, chanel said:

Hey N$O, so I'm going to try and put an intelligible post together to try and explain in the most clear way possible why everyone is upset with you because it obviously isn't registering in your brains. 

It's because your leadership are liars, and they've lied continuously since the start of the war. 

Let's rewind back to the Rainbow leaks. Sphinx said...

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"Additionally, we're in talks with t$/NPO for a 2nd war"

Now, a lot of people were like "Yo dude wtf I thought IQ broke up" but N$O leadership was like naw that never happened and if it did it was surface level and never got any farther than that

And since we're leaking Dio logs

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And then t$ and NPO entered the war against Grumpy and Guardian in a limited fashion, saying, and I quote

"2.) The Syndicate and its affiliates have no intent to expand their war on the coalition currently fighting the Black Knights and their allies beyond Guardian and Grumpy Old Bastards." 

 And they made clear that affiliates also includes NPO. 

And then a few days later NPO enters the war against TKR

"When word reached us that The  - RKnights Radiant were using the predicament we were in of not being able to declare past the front as a way to lock down the current fronts and then attack us it was a pressing enough threat." - Roq

right...you mean how everyone in the Chaos milcom channels (and i mean EVERYONE) said not to attack NPO...but im sure you dont have logs of that Roq, because it doesnt fit your narrative and lies

"There is no intention of domination or anything. The imbalance this war has introduced made it clear that we could not just sit back and wait for the inevitable. The numbers cited as why the other sphere was so big have not materialized, allowing for manuveurability.  We did everything we could to avoid this outcome but here we are"

You want to dominate the game like you've dominated every other game you've played. The only imbalance has been caused by yourself (if you're referring to tiering). You did not do everything you could to avoid this outcome, as you obviously didn't do enough research, as that'd have revealed that nobody in Chaos wanted to attack you.

NPO, you are liars. Your behavior is immoral and gross. You've lied to us on multiple occasions, and I hope your membership sees your government for what they are. Disgusting

If you actually believed that log though, why did KETOG go after BK instead of tS/NPO? According to the log, tS/NPO was KETOG's threat, not BK... So KETOG basically doesn't belong in this war then and has zero validity in it and you people are complaining about NPO being in it....lol

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12 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

If you actually believed that log though, why did KETOG go after BK instead of tS/NPO? According to the log, tS/NPO was KETOG's threat, not BK... So KETOG basically doesn't belong in this war then and has zero validity in it and you people are complaining about NPO being in it....lol

Because the plan was BK/TCWs to start with?  N$O claimed they heard of no such thing, so we took their word for it (lol at that though).

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14 hours ago, Sketchy said:

 

Anyone still tied to NPO or BK will sink with the ship.

  

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

5 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

Because the plan was BK/TCWs to start with?  N$O claimed they heard of no such thing, so we took their word for it (lol at that though).

So then you guys were going to turn to NPO after... So NPO had every right to join for their own good. Also they "claimed they heard of no such thing" after war broke out, but what about before war broke out? Your first sentence admits there the plan was to start with BK/TCW , which seems you planned to go after NPO next.

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Might want to reread that sentence.

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8 hours ago, Sphinx said:

but yeah aren't those guys still pretty profitable? Obviously not with telegrams like they once were but with money orders and transfers etc. 

That's usually the #1 way immigrants send money to family overseas. A few dollars from each customer every payday adds up, especially with a huge customer base.

https://ycharts.com/companies/WU/profit_margin

https://ycharts.com/companies/WU/net_income

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7 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

If we decided to turn on NPO, it would be due to their hit on Guardian/Grumpy.  Not because of that log.

Had N$O remained out, there was nothing we could put on them, and they’d have shown the community that they weren’t connected with BK and Friends.

Instead, they opted to show that they are indeed still tied up with BK and Friends.

Had KETOG remained out, they'd have shown the community that they weren't connected with Chaos and Friends.

Instead they opted to show that they are indeed still tied up with Chaos and Friends and the whole minispheres idea was an illusion to allow them to reassert their Hegemony.

 

Am I doing it right? 

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14 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

So then you guys were going to turn to NPO after... So NPO had every right to join for their own good. Also they "claimed they heard of no such thing" after war broke out, but what about before war broke out? Your first sentence admits there the plan was to start with BK/TCW , which seems you planned to go after NPO next.

You are misunderstanding what he meant. By "the plan was BK/TCWs to start with" he meant that they originally thought of the plan, not that Keto was going to hit BK first. 

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12 hours ago, alyster said:

As we both can see nothing has changed. Except that NPOs hegemony ended 10 years ago in CN and it will never return. Guess now you guys have to burn. 

NPO controls CN and will until CN's last breath. CN is a dead game. People think NPO makes games dead, but it's more the other way around; NPO has incredible staying power and they'll always win at the end. If it's not this war, it'll be the next, or the war after, and so on. NPO has essentially lost every war it's ever fought in except Knightfall, and every 2 years or so they end up rank 1 in the game. As certain acquaintances have discussed, NPO are like cockroaches.

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15 minutes ago, Smith said:

You are misunderstanding what he meant. By "the plan was BK/TCWs to start with" he meant that they originally thought of the plan, not that Keto was going to hit BK first. 

You are misunderstanding what my initial argument was. BK was of zero threat to KETOG, as clearly shown in that log you're all going by. It clearly shows planning to hit Chaos bloc. However, that log shows it was a possibility that tS/NPO would be a threat to KETOG. KETOG should have either 1) stayed fighting Chaos,  2) declared on NPO, or 3) backed out completely. But KETOG joined in and declared on BK on day 1 to a sphere that wasn't even a threat to them, thus proving the claims about your whole mini sphere being fake were correct. KETOG was not even aware of NPO's response that they heard nothing about this until after all was said and done, so KETOG's only valid CB there was NPO from the beginning, not BK. The fact is, KETOG DID hit BK first. So YOU and YOU alone broke your own mini sphere agenda first.

 

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Had KETOG remained out, they'd have shown the community that they weren't connected with Chaos and Friends.

Instead they opted to show that they are indeed still tied up with Chaos and Friends and the whole minispheres idea was an illusion to allow them to reassert their Hegemony.

 

Am I doing it right? 

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15 hours ago, Roquentin said:

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Declaration of War

When word reached us that The Knights Radiant were using the predicament we were in of not being able to declare past the front as a way to lock down the current fronts and then attack us it was a pressing enough threat.  This was coupled with reports the lack of expansion was simply due to not having enough coverage. As fronts fell, it was a matter of time in our eyes. Whether it was now or after the war, it was a serious liability.  We have been reluctant to sit on the sidelines to wait for it to happen. We have stood idly by with constant antagonism. In every previous war with this scenario of a limited front, the alliances initiating it are usually targeted next and the reactions this time indicated the same. Note this is our decision unilaterally as we could no longer allow our sovereign right to declare a war against people who seek to act against us to be withheld. It is regrettable that we must act outside of the scope with this new conflict.

There is no intention of domination or anything. The imbalance this war has introduced made it clear that we could not just sit back and wait for the inevitable. The numbers cited as why the other sphere was so big have not materialized, allowing for manuveurability.  We did everything we could to avoid this outcome but here we are. By the day they grew emboldened while our strategic situation deteriorated. We expect to take severe losses here and there is no avoiding that but allowing this status quo to continue has been determined to be  untenable, which is why we declare war on TKR.

 

 

 

Nomination for worst DoW of the year. 

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20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Had KETOG remained out, they'd have shown the community that they weren't connected with Chaos and Friends.

Instead they opted to show that they are indeed still tied up with Chaos and Friends and the whole minispheres idea was an illusion to allow them to reassert their Hegemony.

 

Am I doing it right? 

No, you are not. KETOG and Chaos are connected by the fact that the leak showed TCW and co planing a war against both of them. They are temporarily united by a clear, immediate common threat

9 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

You are misunderstanding what my initial argument was. BK was of zero threat to KETOG, as clearly shown in that log you're all going by. It clearly shows planning to hit Chaos bloc. However, that log shows it was a possibility that tS/NPO would be a threat to KETOG. KETOG should have either 1) stayed fighting Chaos,  2) declared on NPO, or 3) backed out completely. But KETOG joined in and declared on BK on day 1 to a sphere that wasn't even a threat to them, thus proving the claims about your whole mini sphere being fake were correct. KETOG was not even aware of NPO's response that they heard nothing about this until after all was said and done, so KETOG's only valid CB there was NPO from the beginning, not BK. The fact is, KETOG DID hit BK first. So YOU and YOU alone broke your own mini sphere agenda first.

 

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No, because while the leak mentioned trying to ask t$/NPO to hit KETOG, it was still TCW and by extension you guys, planing to have both KETOG and Chaos attacked. The threat was not in how you intended to split the targets in your planned attack, the threat was in that you planned to have them attacked in the first place.

Attacking NPO because you planned to have KETOG attacked makes no sense. The planning, the plotting, the threat, was yours and thus you were attacked.

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14 minutes ago, Zoot said:

No, because while the leak mentioned trying to ask t$/NPO to hit KETOG, it was still TCW and by extension you guys, planing to have both KETOG and Chaos attacked. The threat was not in how you intended to split the targets in your planned attack, the threat was in that you planned to have them attacked in the first place.

Attacking NPO because you planned to have KETOG attacked makes no sense. The planning, the plotting, the threat, was yours and thus you were attacked.

No, because while the leak mentioned trying to ask tS/NPO to hit KETOG, it was only ever mentioned that TCW/BK was going to hit Chaos bloc, planning to have tS/NPO hit KETOG to prevent them from being a threat to us. The threat was not from BK/TCW as the log clearly shows we TCW/BK had no plan in hitting KETOG, the threat was tS/NPO hitting KETOG. 

Attacking NPO because the log had tS/NPO assigned to hitting KETOG (not BK/TCW) makes sense. The planning, the plotting, the threat, was Chaos bloc not KETOG bloc.

Also, how does Rose get into this? There is absolutely no threat to Rose in any of it? Again further showing the allegations that your mini-spheres were just smoke screens are indeed true.

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6 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

No, because while the leak mentioned trying to ask tS/NPO to hit KETOG, it was only ever mentioned that TCW/BK was going to hit Chaos bloc, planning to have tS/NPO hit KETOG to prevent them from being a threat to us. The threat was not from BK/TCW as the log clearly shows we TCW/BK had no plan in hitting KETOG, the threat was tS/NPO hitting KETOG. 

Attacking NPO because the log had tS/NPO assigned to hitting KETOG (not BK/TCW) makes sense. The planning, the plotting, the threat, was Chaos bloc not KETOG bloc.

Also, how does Rose get into this? There is absolutely no threat to Rose in any of it?

You are not making any sense. You saying you are going to have someone else do your dirty work by hitting KETOG does not change the fact that you were the ones planing to have them hit. 

You saying "We are going to get a coalition together and have KETOG and Chaos attacked", is and always will be you planing a war, you presenting a thread. Doesn't matter who you say you are going to invite to be part of your coalition, it is still you making a coalition.

As for Rose's involvement, I have nothing to add to the comment already made here: 

 

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43 minutes ago, Inst said:

NPO controls CN and will until CN's last breath. CN is a dead game. People think NPO makes games dead, but it's more the other way around; NPO has incredible staying power and they'll always win at the end. If it's not this war, it'll be the next, or the war after, and so on. NPO has essentially lost every war it's ever fought in except Knightfall, and every 2 years or so they end up rank 1 in the game. As certain acquaintances have discussed, NPO are like cockroaches.

It's like the tree in the forest, can you really say you won if there's no one to see it?

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11 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

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We acted as if N$O was telling the truth about them not engaging in these plans, but the plans do show that TcW was not only making plans to hit Chaos but also KETOG even if indirectly.  The plans were pretty explicit about working together with N$O to hit Chaos and KETOG, so even if the hits were independent and N$O wasn't involved (which has not aged well), the Chaos and KETOG were still the targets by these plans being drafted by TcW. It doesn't really matter who was supposed to hit who because by that logic TKR would only hit BK/GOG and TcW by CoS according to the plans, but that's not how these things work.  We were both targets and had the potential to be destabilized by these plans irregardless of who planned to hit who because as we can see right now war is never that clean.  

Also, leave Rose the hell alone.  Mini spheres are allowed to build coalitions to defeat greater enemies (i.e. hegemonies) that are destabilizing the game.  It's almost like this game has politics for a reason or something.  And they have great civ tournaments.  

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@ZootI guess now we know why they're losing the war. Their members really are that dumb.

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22 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

No, because while the leak mentioned trying to ask tS/NPO to hit KETOG, it was only ever mentioned that TCW/BK was going to hit Chaos bloc, planning to have tS/NPO hit KETOG to prevent them from being a threat to us. The threat was not from BK/TCW as the log clearly shows we TCW/BK had no plan in hitting KETOG, the threat was tS/NPO hitting KETOG. 

Attacking NPO because the log had tS/NPO assigned to hitting KETOG (not BK/TCW) makes sense. The planning, the plotting, the threat, was Chaos bloc not KETOG bloc.

Also, how does Rose get into this? There is absolutely no threat to Rose in any of it? Again further showing the allegations that your mini-spheres were just smoke screens are indeed true.

Stop trying to twist things into what they are not. NPO was not the one planning to hit KETOG, they were merely invited to the coalition *by BK* to take care of them. BK was the one trying to build a coalition against both Chaos and KETOG, so they were the ones to feel the brunt of the blowback. The log says that they were trying to get NPO onboard, but not that NPO was already onboard, so there was no reason to include them. For Rose, I believe Mhearl somewhere stated that Rose joined because they saw BK as a threat to the game's health, and a potential threat to them later down the line. Get your head out of your ass, please.

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5 minutes ago, Memph said:

@ZootI guess now we know why they're losing the war. Their members really are that dumb.

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11 minutes ago, Zoot said:

You are not making any sense. You saying you are going to have someone else do your dirty work by hitting KETOG does not change the fact that you were the ones planing to have them hit. 

You saying "We are going to get a coalition together and have KETOG and Chaos attacked", is and always will be you planing a war, you presenting a thread. Doesn't matter who you say you are going to invite to be part of your coalition, it is still you making a coalition.

As for Rose's involvement, I have nothing to add to the comment already made here: 

 

You are not making any sense. You saying that KETOG going to war on a leaked log that identified KETOG as a target for tS/NPO, not BK. KETOG hit BK instead of the ones who posed an actual direct legitimate threat to KETOG in accordance with the log you use as justification for the war. The fact that TCW/BK were the ones planning to have them hit doesn't make TCW/BK more of a threat than the sphere TCW/BK employed to hit them. KETOG ignored the direct threat and hit the planners instead. When NPO joined in, there was massive crying. If you believed the log, there should have been zero surprise of NPO's entrance, and thus KETOG would have been more wise to go after tS/NPO instead of BK. However, you keep claiming you took NPO's word for it as the reason for not doing so, when that same NPO's word was non-existent until AFTER they joined and received the massive crying. 

You saying "We are going to believe and use this leaked log to justify uniting Chaos, KETOG, and Rose, negating our own mini-sphere agenda, and attack BK/TCW despite believing NPO's future word that they have no involvement" is and always will be you breaking your own mini-sphere smoke screen and still believing and assuming IQ remains a thing, when in fact EMC continues to remain a thing.

As for Rose's involvement, I have nothing to add to the comment already made there either.

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18 minutes ago, Micchan said:

It's like the tree in the forest, can you really say you won if there's no one to see it?

I dunno, Ella witnessed, Non Grata witnessed, GPA witnessed, more than 10,000 people withnessed. And while an NPO hegemony is definitely destroyable, NPO is not. You've just never let them form a hegemony; a hegemony is defined by being Adrienne and rolling half the alliances in the game in dogpiles. That's the correct time for a heg to fall, and to her credit she did a great job of handling Knightfall, in my view. You're down to what, 116 members? After being involved in weeks of war?

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>KETOG/Chaos war fake to hit us with no infra

>KETOG/Chaos unfairly dogpiles BKsphere

>Opens fake front in hopes to bait KETOG/Chaos

>KETOG/Chaos says not to attack t$ or NPO in all servers multiple times for days

>NPO hits TKR as a “pre-empt” cause TKR logs from months ago before Chaos

NPO: If you didn’t want to hit us why are there “logs” with Sphinx who we previously spent days trying to discredit, huh?!? Checkmate

 

Is this the timeline? Cause... Guys, I know who wins the gold medal. Surely they can’t top this. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Arathorn said:

You are not making any sense. You saying that KETOG going to war on a leaked log that identified KETOG as a target for tS/NPO, not BK. KETOG hit BK instead of the ones who posed an actual direct legitimate threat to KETOG in accordance with the log you use as justification for the war. The fact that TCW/BK were the ones planning to have them hit doesn't make TCW/BK more of a threat than the sphere TCW/BK employed to hit them. KETOG ignored the direct threat and hit the planners instead. When NPO joined in, there was massive crying. If you believed the log, there should have been zero surprise of NPO's entrance, and thus KETOG would have been more wise to go after tS/NPO instead of BK. However, you keep claiming you took NPO's word for it as the reason for not doing so, when that same NPO's word was non-existent until AFTER they joined and received the massive crying. 

You saying "We are going to believe and use this leaked log to justify uniting Chaos, KETOG, and Rose, negating our own mini-sphere agenda, and attack BK/TCW despite believing NPO's future word that they have no involvement" is and always will be you breaking your own mini-sphere smoke screen and still believing and assuming IQ remains a thing, when in fact EMC continues to remain a thing.

As for Rose's involvement, I have nothing to add to the comment already made there either.

You're either a selective reader, or entirely dense.

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